Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 Forum

[Nebby]

Evidence MBE PQs Set #3 was noticeably harder than the first two. I went from scoring in the 80s on the first two to 65% on this one.

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I hate how Themis is all like, "Yo, best evidence rule is NEVER the right answer, except if it meets both of these conditions." And then we get an MBE question on best evidence where the correct answer depends on an obscure alternative reason for the best evidence rule to apply.

Better to learn from this mistake now rather than to miss on test day. I view every missed question as an opportunity to get it right in the future. Missing a question you honestly don't know the answer is to is the best, because then you'll likely remember it's rule in the future

[bobbypin]

Better to learn from this mistake now rather than to miss on test day. I view every missed question as an opportunity to get it right in the future. Missing a question you honestly don't know the answer is to is the best, because then you'll likely remember it's rule in the future

That is a great attitude to have! Thanks for pointing it out!

[Nebby]

Better to learn from this mistake now rather than to miss on test day. I view every missed question as an opportunity to get it right in the future. Missing a question you honestly don't know the answer is to is the best, because then you'll likely remember it's rule in the future

That is a great attitude to have! Thanks for pointing it out!

When I miss a question, I'll read what the right answer is, why it is right, and why my answer was wrong. Then I'll write a note down that summarizes the particular rule that was applicable to this specific fact set. I find it helps me remember in the future

[Rahviveh]

Evidence pq 1 and 2 are officially tailored for dumb dumbs cause I did well on both.

Also we all get the same questions

[Fivedham]

The fact that I got a question right about the Import Export Clause is astounding to me. That's just a mean spirited question to ask, it's so obscure.

[Nebby]

The fact that I got a question right about the Import Export Clause is astounding to me. That's just a mean spirited question to ask, it's so obscure.

I missed that question!!!

[luxxe]

Evidence pq 1 and 2 are officially tailored for dumb dumbs cause I did well on both.

Also we all get the same questions

yup. Just took evidence mbe 3, 25% decrease from 1 and 2...

[Chardee_MacDennis]

Property can suck it.

[Nebby]

Just finished the first CivPro lecture and looks like it's time to cop the Video Speed Controller extension for Chrome. 2x just isn't fast enough for this subject

[Easy-E]

So anyone else at the point where, if they wake up in the middle of the night, they just start listing off the elements of some test?

[Easy-E]

Just finished the first CivPro lecture and looks like it's time to cop the Video Speed Controller extension for Chrome. 2x just isn't fast enough for this subject

I thought you were one of the people recommending it. It's great. 2.5x is pretty comfortable with subtitles on, though I took conlaw up to 2.8x-3x.

[NaeDeen]

So anyone else at the point where, if they wake up in the middle of the night, they just start listing off the elements of some test?

Before bed, while showering, eating, and dreaming.
While watering my plants this morning I told the plants that this water needs to touch and concern their roots. W. in T. actual F.?!!!! Really?! It's too early lol

[NaeDeen]

Question: does any one here use their outline (whether self-created or commercial) while completing MC questions? Or essays?

[Zero99]

Evidence pq 1 and 2 are officially tailored for dumb dumbs cause I did well on both.

Also we all get the same questions

yup. Just took evidence mbe 3, 25% decrease from 1 and 2...

Glad I'm not the only one who thought it was a lot harder.

[bsktbll28082]

General question: if you completely do not know and issue in the essays, do you just skip it?

In my last graded essay, they asked about an Alford plea. Didn't know what it was so I skipped it, but my grader thought I missed it because I 'went too fast.'

[Chardee_MacDennis]

Question: does any one here use their outline (whether self-created or commercial) while completing MC questions? Or essays?

I try not to because simulating actual test conditions and stuff.

[Nebby]

Question: does any one here use their outline (whether self-created or commercial) while completing MC questions? Or essays?

Here's what I do: On PQ1 and PQ2 of MC questions, I'll use the outline to help find the correct answer. After that, I take them blind with no outline. For the ones that I miss, I write down a short explanation of the applicable rule.

For the practice essays, I still use the outlines and probably will continue to do so until July.

[unidentifiable]

Question: does any one here use their outline (whether self-created or commercial) while completing MC questions? Or essays?

Here's what I do: On PQ1 and PQ2 of MC questions, I'll use the outline to help find the correct answer. After that, I take them blind with no outline. For the ones that I miss, I write down a short explanation of the applicable rule.

For the practice essays, I still use the outlines and probably will continue to do so until July.

Serious, genuine question: Why use the outlines?

Is it because the material isn't mastered yet, or is it because you want to get used to writing full, more spot-on answers than ones off the top of your head?

[Nebby]

Question: does any one here use their outline (whether self-created or commercial) while completing MC questions? Or essays?

Here's what I do: On PQ1 and PQ2 of MC questions, I'll use the outline to help find the correct answer. After that, I take them blind with no outline. For the ones that I miss, I write down a short explanation of the applicable rule.

For the practice essays, I still use the outlines and probably will continue to do so until July.

Serious, genuine question: Why use the outlines?

Is it because the material isn't mastered yet, or is it because you want to get used to writing full, more spot-on answers than ones off the top of your head?

It's a little of both.

For instance, I am at the point for K's essays that I can mostly do them without ever looking at the outline, unless there is an issue on a specifically arcane point that I haven't mastered yet.

[unidentifiable]

Question: does any one here use their outline (whether self-created or commercial) while completing MC questions? Or essays?

Here's what I do: On PQ1 and PQ2 of MC questions, I'll use the outline to help find the correct answer. After that, I take them blind with no outline. For the ones that I miss, I write down a short explanation of the applicable rule.

For the practice essays, I still use the outlines and probably will continue to do so until July.

Serious, genuine question: Why use the outlines?

Is it because the material isn't mastered yet, or is it because you want to get used to writing full, more spot-on answers than ones off the top of your head?

It's a little of both.

For instance, I am at the point for K's essays that I can mostly do them without ever looking at the outline, unless there is an issue on a specifically arcane point that I haven't mastered yet.

I'm going to start doing this on my next few essays. Seems like a solid strategy for now.

[Vantwins]

Con law...full page for one example, ugh.

[NaeDeen]

Question: does any one here use their outline (whether self-created or commercial) while completing MC questions? Or essays?

Here's what I do: On PQ1 and PQ2 of MC questions, I'll use the outline to help find the correct answer. After that, I take them blind with no outline. For the ones that I miss, I write down a short explanation of the applicable rule.

For the practice essays, I still use the outlines and probably will continue to do so until July.

Serious, genuine question: Why use the outlines?

Is it because the material isn't mastered yet, or is it because you want to get used to writing full, more spot-on answers than ones off the top of your head?

Just like Nebby pointed out, a little bit of both. I can only speak for myself, but I find that when I take the MCs after listening to lectures and creating my own outline (12 hours of work in total) using my notes helps me run through my outline to see if I incorrectly stated/typed the law--glad I did that today, I was missing a section on Invitees. I also tend to state the law out loud before answering the question and if I find that I'm stuck or confused, I can refer to the outline. And finally, it helps me add in those lovely nuances that the bar examiners love to trick us with--which are sometimes omitted from the lecture handouts. Hope this makes sense.

[NaeDeen]

Question: does any one here use their outline (whether self-created or commercial) while completing MC questions? Or essays?

Here's what I do: On PQ1 and PQ2 of MC questions, I'll use the outline to help find the correct answer. After that, I take them blind with no outline. For the ones that I miss, I write down a short explanation of the applicable rule.

For the practice essays, I still use the outlines and probably will continue to do so until July.

I'll try this approach--seems solid. I did that with an essay the other day and it wasn't too painful so I'm sure it would work with MQs.

[AlanShore]

Any tips on ConLaw studying? Theres just so many doctrines and I know they test surface level stuff but I'm having trouble identifying what I should be memorizing and what they arent likely to test on...

[Nebby]

Any tips on ConLaw studying? Theres just so many doctrines and I know they test surface level stuff but I'm having trouble identifying what I should be memorizing and what they arent likely to test on...

I think drilling PQ is the best