FLORIDA BAR - JULY 2014 Forum

[MoneyMay]

Does anyone have helpful study tips/outlines for memorizing Commercial Paper? My eyes are glazing over during this lecture...

I'm with you now. My personal tip: forget this whole topic and consider it an acceptable loss

I am seriously considering making all the new topics an acceptable loss. They won't be on the multiple choice and I figure at most they will be a small part of an essay and I am thinking of just taking the hit. As crunch time nears it's going to be difficult to veer away from memorizing the procedures (guaranteed to be on there) to go memorize juvenile delinquency (the professor told us herself to not worry about it too much b/c it probably won't be on there lolol).

I feel really like a slacker taking this approach but I just can't memorize all this shit when it will at most be a very small part of the exam.

[Shawshank33]

Yeah, at this point I'm putting all my eggs in money topics too..if it's guaranteed to be on the exam then there is no excuse to not know it cold.

If they tested juvy in an essay they would almost have to put it with a crim essay...now that would be crazy! Not gonna lie though, a crim essay would be my dream...I was bummed to find out that FL hasn't tested it for the past 11 years on essays

[letsdoit]

I still don't understand what commercial paper is...3 hours into the lecture. I'm probably not going to set aside more time for commercial paper and secured transactions than these lectures and assignments...even if its a sub topic on an essay here, hopefully I'll be able to take the hit and get at least a few points for throwing a couple of rules and issue spotting on there.

[rad lulz]

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[SenorTaxLawl]

Long time lurker coming out of the shadows to commiserate with fellow FL Bar takers. Hope everyone is having a productive and studious summer.....I for one have lived up to 4.7% of the expectations I had set for myself.

Commercial Paper/Secured Transactions have been the MOST BORING subjects I have ever endured. My word. Eight hours of lecture and the only thing I remember is "PMS....haha."

Best of luck to everyone, let me know if you figure out a way to will your eyelids open.

[MoneyMay]

FL Con Law. WTF.

[alicrimson]

FL Con Law. WTF.

Lol that and secured transactions. Something, something, banks, something, something, purchase money security interest, control.

[SenorTaxLawl]

Do you guys think the subjects would have been more palatable (you know, as palatable as bar subjects can be...) if they were taught by someone else?

I feel bad, but both Sandon and Sabbath are just so....no bueno, IMHO.

[MoneyMay]

FL Con Law. WTF.

Lol that and secured transactions. Something, something, banks, something, something, purchase money security interest, control.

I am reviewing it and it's call good and then BONDS. NO ONE KNOWS HOW THEY WORK NOT EVEN THE FL SUPREME COURT, BUT HERE YA GO.

[Hannibal]

Do you guys think the subjects would have been more palatable (you know, as palatable as bar subjects can be...) if they were taught by someone else?

I feel bad, but both Sandon and Sabbath are just so....no bueno, IMHO.

Sandon seems to just take way longer than necessary and I lose attention. I actually think that Sabbath is good except that he takes too long to get to real-life hypos, and just talks using the vocabulary words we aren't comfortable with yet. By the time he's done explaining the situation, I just realized who the "debtor" is.

[SenorTaxLawl]

Do you guys think the subjects would have been more palatable (you know, as palatable as bar subjects can be...) if they were taught by someone else?

I feel bad, but both Sandon and Sabbath are just so....no bueno, IMHO.

Sandon seems to just take way longer than necessary and I lose attention. I actually think that Sabbath is good except that he takes too long to get to real-life hypos, and just talks using the vocabulary words we aren't comfortable with yet. By the time he's done explaining the situation, I just realized who the "debtor" is.

I think that's accurate, Sandon would cover 6 pages hour one, 6 pages hour two, then 15 pages in the last 45 minutes because he spent so long talking about nonsense in the first two hours.

I think the main problem I have with Sabbath is that his lecture handout lends itself to pages of complete catatonia....you don't have to write anything in, he's speaking in a language that can't possibly be English, and the tone of his voice just puts me to sleep. I have no problem with him. His thread about his ex-wife and his current wife, Sweet Lisa, is pretty funny. But man I just can't bring myself to pay attention.

Fingers crossed for VERY minimal testing on these subjects. I might follow the advice above and write it off as a loss, apart from the minimal studying I'll do for it now.

[Hannibal]

Agreed. Also just realized I don't think I've thought about dependency and delinquency for, like, a month. That topic too.

[MoneyMay]

Do you guys think the subjects would have been more palatable (you know, as palatable as bar subjects can be...) if they were taught by someone else?

I feel bad, but both Sandon and Sabbath are just so....no bueno, IMHO.

Sandon seems to just take way longer than necessary and I lose attention. I actually think that Sabbath is good except that he takes too long to get to real-life hypos, and just talks using the vocabulary words we aren't comfortable with yet. By the time he's done explaining the situation, I just realized who the "debtor" is.

I think that's accurate, Sandon would cover 6 pages hour one, 6 pages hour two, then 15 pages in the last 45 minutes because he spent so long talking about nonsense in the first two hours.

I think the main problem I have with Sabbath is that his lecture handout lends itself to pages of complete catatonia....you don't have to write anything in, he's speaking in a language that can't possibly be English, and the tone of his voice just puts me to sleep. I have no problem with him. His thread about his ex-wife and his current wife, Sweet Lisa, is pretty funny. But man I just can't bring myself to pay attention.

Fingers crossed for VERY minimal testing on these subjects. I might follow the advice above and write it off as a loss, apart from the minimal studying I'll do for it now.

Lol yep. I know the guy is the God of FL bar prep, but for fucks sake the FL con law lecture didn't need to be 4 hours and we didn't need to cover shit that's never been tested.

Agreed. Also just realized I don't think I've thought about dependency and delinquency for, like, a month. That topic too.

Yeah essay wise, I just can't can't learn everything. I will unfortunately learn FL con law, but the new topics I am probably just going to take the hit. Even if I wanted to learn them (which I don't), there's just not enough time in the day for crapshoot essay topics.

[MoneyMay]

Serious question: how negligent would I be if I completely blew off the new subjects? I feel I am in a good spot (sort of) except for the new subjects, but it's going to be a huge time sink to understand Articles 3 and 9 (or w/e they are) and honestly I don't know if I can fully grasp them. I know one of the new subjects has been a small part of an essay and that's it, so is there any real chance we could have a full essay on one of the new topics?

[gator6589]

How in depth is everyone going with memorizing the Florida Distinctions? The sample essay answers don't really discuss the differences in Florida law in too much depth. Do you think the Convisor Mini Review is enough as far as the distinctions go?

[Hannibal]

How in depth is everyone going with memorizing the Florida Distinctions? The sample essay answers don't really discuss the differences in Florida law in too much depth. Do you think the Convisor Mini Review is enough as far as the distinctions go?

Florida distinctions will probably be 40% of what I do over the last couple weeks, 50% state-only topics, 10% MBE.

[MoneyMay]

How in depth is everyone going with memorizing the Florida Distinctions? The sample essay answers don't really discuss the differences in Florida law in too much depth. Do you think the Convisor Mini Review is enough as far as the distinctions go?

Florida distinctions will probably be 40% of what I do over the last couple weeks, 50% state-only topics, 10% MBE.

Same... The MBE topics are forever stuck in my head at this point and I feel BarBri did a great job with the MBE. As far as state topics go, it seems like we are more on our own to figure this shit out.

[Hannibal]

I might take that back...I am not doing well on the full-day thing today.

[gator6589]

Same here. Felt this was harder than the simulated MBE.

[SenorTaxLawl]

My motivation hit a wall of stone this weekend - all I have done since Friday is the 50 question Mixed Subject on Saturday......now you're all terrifying me with this second MBE. Haha.

I'll get around to it eventually. Maybe tomorrow.....maybe.....

[alicrimson]

My motivation hit a wall of stone this weekend - all I have done since Friday is the 50 question Mixed Subject on Saturday......now you're all terrifying me with this second MBE. Haha.

I'll get around to it eventually. Maybe tomorrow.....maybe.....

Yeah, I'm all the way caught up to today's material. Because of the move, I'm calling today a wash though. From what I've heard, this MBE practice test is tough. A friend of mine that has consistently been doing amazing failed it. I'm just prepped for that. I feel bad about taking a day off, but I kind of need to. Better now than 2 weeks from now.

[SenorTaxLawl]

My motivation hit a wall of stone this weekend - all I have done since Friday is the 50 question Mixed Subject on Saturday......now you're all terrifying me with this second MBE. Haha.

I'll get around to it eventually. Maybe tomorrow.....maybe.....

Yeah, I'm all the way caught up to today's material. Because of the move, I'm calling today a wash though. From what I've heard, this MBE practice test is tough. A friend of mine that has consistently been doing amazing failed it. I'm just prepped for that. I feel bad about taking a day off, but I kind of need to. Better now than 2 weeks from now.

Maybe that's something I need. I did decent on the simulated MBE, studied, and have been doing average to above average on every MBE assignment since - so I feel like I'm falling into a false sense of security. Granted, it's not like I'm getting 95%'s all around, but since I've trained myself to be perfectly okay with mediocrity for this exam, I'm getting too comfortable.

Swift kick in the reality here I come.

[Hannibal]

I've decided to just do half the MBEs assigned and double the results, then spend the saved time relaxing/looking at state specific stuff. After Sandon's thing I'm not too worried.

[MoneyMay]

The only thing that worries me is a random property essay (still don't know what a liens penden is) or a random FL con law essay (still don't know what bonds are).

[SilverE2]

Hey, for day 1 of the bar, do we only bring our laptops for the morning session? Or is the multiple choice afternoon session on laptop too?

And for day 2 I assume I just leave my laptop at the hotel, right?