California Bar Exam (July 2014) thread Forum

[a male human]

I heard that in pt if there is no tome or to finish within time, extracting rule only and not using facts in the case is ok. Would that deduct points?

Most likely you will get little credit...PTs are about pulling out relevant facts. Pulling out the rule from the case is way too easy. You've been doing that since 1L year, and these cases have super obvious rules.

If you mean pulling only a rule from a case and not necessarily using facts from THAT case, (meaning not enough time to analogize.distinguish) that could be fine. You could just take a the rule and straight apply it to your facts.

Not sure which one you meant. previous poster is right though.

Ah, I see. I meant you must use the facts from the file, not the case. If you prioritize the importance, case facts are probably at the bottom. Hope that's clearer.

[injun]

Anyone have any general input or heard anything as to whether July PTs are any more difficult compared to February PTs?

[FutureInLaw]

Um, the Barbri Remedies lecture was completely unhelpful. What a crock of shit.

[a male human]

Remedies in general is a slow-stewed crock of shit, but hopefully this 2-page outline helps you get an organized overview of the main issues and rules so you can actually get cracking on practice.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yosjhma3p2l54 ... medies.pdf

[FutureInLaw]

Thanks. I'll check this out.

Seriously. The first remedy essay I looked focused on purchase money resulting trusts.

That is not mentioned a single time in the remedies lecture or the remedies CMR outline. It is mentioned BRIEFLY in the trusts lecture.

WTF.

[FutureInLaw]

And hopefully no remedies this year? After 3 full remedies essays in a row, one can hope!

[adonai]

And hopefully no remedies this year? After 3 full remedies essays in a row, one can hope!

They're gonna screw us one way or another. The testers know people try to follow predictions and patterns, and will intentionally try to throw you a fast one to screw you over. July 2013 it was the 13th amendment. Feb it was subjacent support, nonconformity. I'm predicting our "screw over" will be CA civ pro or a third CP/4th remedies in a row essay question.

[Carryon]

Thanks. I'll check this out.

Seriously. The first remedy essay I looked focused on purchase money resulting trusts.

That is not mentioned a single time in the remedies lecture or the remedies CMR outline. It is mentioned BRIEFLY in the trusts lecture.

WTF.

I believe that it is also mentioned in the real property outline.

[JJDancer]

Remedies in general is a slow-stewed crock of shit, but hopefully this 2-page outline helps you get an organized overview of the main issues and rules so you can actually get cracking on practice.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yosjhma3p2l54 ... medies.pdf

THANKS!

[CalBar2014]

Does anyone know if there is a deadline to complete your character and fitness application? The CA bar website is surprisingly opaque on this issue (or I am just missing something). I'm taking CA as a second bar and am in no rush to get all my stuff in (i.e. don't want to pay the fees for the character and fitness until I know I've passed).

[Carryon]

Does anyone know if there is a deadline to complete your character and fitness application? The CA bar website is surprisingly opaque on this issue (or I am just missing something). I'm taking CA as a second bar and am in no rush to get all my stuff in (i.e. don't want to pay the fees for the character and fitness until I know I've passed).

I think that you have 5 years after you pass the bar exam to get it done. I am not sure either. Anybody else know? Also, how long does it take? Calbar site says at least 6 months, but I have heard that it is less (e.g. 4 months) if you are llicensed in another state.

[LSATNightmares]

Does anyone know if there is a deadline to complete your character and fitness application? The CA bar website is surprisingly opaque on this issue (or I am just missing something). I'm taking CA as a second bar and am in no rush to get all my stuff in (i.e. don't want to pay the fees for the character and fitness until I know I've passed).

I think that you have 5 years after you pass the bar exam to get it done. I am not sure either. Anybody else know? Also, how long does it take? Calbar site says at least 6 months, but I have heard that it is less (e.g. 4 months) if you are llicensed in another state.

My approval even as a relatively older student was super fast -- 5 weeks, 6 weeks tops, but I submitted in January.

[CalBar2014]

Going through my trusts outline again and am struck at how it talks about the majority and minority rules across the country. Did BarBri not specify what the rules are in California? Are we supposed to apply all potential rules (such as the three rules for the duty to diversify)? Seems bizarre not to teach the CA-specific rules.

[ilovesf]

Does anyone know if there is a deadline to complete your character and fitness application? The CA bar website is surprisingly opaque on this issue (or I am just missing something). I'm taking CA as a second bar and am in no rush to get all my stuff in (i.e. don't want to pay the fees for the character and fitness until I know I've passed).

I think that you have 5 years after you pass the bar exam to get it done. I am not sure either. Anybody else know? Also, how long does it take? Calbar site says at least 6 months, but I have heard that it is less (e.g. 4 months) if you are llicensed in another state.

My approval even as a relatively older student was super fast -- 5 weeks, 6 weeks tops, but I submitted in January.

Mine has been pending for months, and like 2-3 months after submitting it, I finally got something in the mail saying they were starting to review it.

[CalBar2014]

Does anyone know if there is a deadline to complete your character and fitness application? The CA bar website is surprisingly opaque on this issue (or I am just missing something). I'm taking CA as a second bar and am in no rush to get all my stuff in (i.e. don't want to pay the fees for the character and fitness until I know I've passed).

I think that you have 5 years after you pass the bar exam to get it done. I am not sure either. Anybody else know? Also, how long does it take? Calbar site says at least 6 months, but I have heard that it is less (e.g. 4 months) if you are llicensed in another state.

Thanks! Most jurisdictions (I think) force you to submit your character and fitness before you can even register for the exam.

[Kinopio Taicho]

I think that you have 5 years after you pass the bar exam to get it done. I am not sure either. Anybody else know? Also, how long does it take? Calbar site says at least 6 months, but I have heard that it is less (e.g. 4 months) if you are llicensed in another state.

I'm barred in another state and started the CA process in January; 4 months sounds about right from my experience this year.

[target]

Does anyone know if there is a deadline to complete your character and fitness application? The CA bar website is surprisingly opaque on this issue (or I am just missing something). I'm taking CA as a second bar and am in no rush to get all my stuff in (i.e. don't want to pay the fees for the character and fitness until I know I've passed).

I think that you have 5 years after you pass the bar exam to get it done. I am not sure either. Anybody else know? Also, how long does it take? Calbar site says at least 6 months, but I have heard that it is less (e.g. 4 months) if you are llicensed in another state.

Thanks! Most jurisdictions (I think) force you to submit your character and fitness before you can even register for the exam.

On a different note, if I have to retake the bar exam in february, do I have to resubmit the moral and character fitness app? it seems silly if I have to go through this whole 6 month process again.

[hyc9598]

Does anyone know if there is a deadline to complete your character and fitness application? The CA bar website is surprisingly opaque on this issue (or I am just missing something). I'm taking CA as a second bar and am in no rush to get all my stuff in (i.e. don't want to pay the fees for the character and fitness until I know I've passed).

I think that you have 5 years after you pass the bar exam to get it done. I am not sure either. Anybody else know? Also, how long does it take? Calbar site says at least 6 months, but I have heard that it is less (e.g. 4 months) if you are llicensed in another state.

Thanks! Most jurisdictions (I think) force you to submit your character and fitness before you can even register for the exam.

On a different note, if I have to retake the bar exam in february, do I have to resubmit the moral and character fitness app? it seems silly if I have to go through this whole 6 month process again.

No. It is valid for 3 years, probably.

[yips]

Nervous about the CA essays...

Anyone have any idea how many of the essays/PT typically overlap with MBE topics? I think I saw someone mention this before, but now I can't find that info. Really hoping for like 4...at least!

[iLoveFruits&Veggies]

Nervous about the CA essays...

Anyone have any idea how many of the essays/PT typically overlap with MBE topics? I think I saw someone mention this before, but now I can't find that info. Really hoping for like 4...at least!

I'm petrified of the essays too!! It looks like over the past several years they've had 2-3 MBE topics on the essays, but July 2009 got 4, and July 2007 lucked out with FIVE!!

[pkt63]

Going through my trusts outline again and am struck at how it talks about the majority and minority rules across the country. Did BarBri not specify what the rules are in California? Are we supposed to apply all potential rules (such as the three rules for the duty to diversify)? Seems bizarre not to teach the CA-specific rules.

Barbri lecturer said they don't test on CA-specific trust rules, just CA-specific Wills rules.

[charcop]

Hey guys,

after we upload and submit our mock exam from Softest, is there anything else to do regarding using our laptop? The CA Bar website mentioned signing a release of liability waiver to use our laptop, but I assume we do that on test day?

[charcop]

And hopefully no remedies this year? After 3 full remedies essays in a row, one can hope!

yeah, fuck remedies. Also conlaw, wills and trusts, civ pro, and CA evidence lol.

[Carryon]

Nervous about the CA essays...

Anyone have any idea how many of the essays/PT typically overlap with MBE topics? I think I saw someone mention this before, but now I can't find that info. Really hoping for like 4...at least!

I think male human calculated based past exams 2 mbe subject on essays per exam.

[a male human]

Might have been someone else. I initially estimated 3-4 MBE per exam, but now I think it's closer to 3.

3 in July 2013: con law, contracts, remedies torts
2.5 in Feb 2014: property, con law, torts-K remedies