Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 Forum

[ultimolugar]

What's the consensus on Con Law guy (Jefferies)? He follow the outline? I appreciate how he told me how pointless conlaw was back in 1L.

He never follows the outline. He's also the lecturer for federal civil procedure, just FYI.

[ndp1234]

Themis literally has me doing THREE civ pro essays in one day (on Monday) with also an evidence essay thrown in there. I'm a little less than a week ahead!

[Nebby]

Just finished PQ 2 on Evidence and scored my highest out of any PQ set in any subject to date! It was the boost of confidence I needed after barely cracking 50% on PQ 1 yesterday

[Chardee_MacDennis]

Just finished PQ 2 on Evidence and scored my highest out of any PQ set in any subject to date! It was the boost of confidence I needed after barely cracking 50% on PQ 1 yesterday

Noice

[rambleon65]

Probably not important, but the strangeness of this law got me thinking about how this would even work.

In MA, apparently a father-in-law and daughter-in-law can marry. How is this scenario possible since that means that the daughter-in-law is no longer with her original spouse, thereby severing the in-law relationship? Or does the in-law relationship continue beyond the marriage that created the in-law relationship in the first place?

Why wouldn't in laws be able to marry? They aren't related by blood. The only hold up is that they would need to be lawfully divorced from their former spouses.

Blood-relationship isn't the only way for marriages to be banned. It's determined by statute. For example, a mother-in-law and son-in-law cannot marry. But weirdly enough, a father-in-law and daughter-in-law CAN marry. But my question is because they must be lawfully divorced from their former spouses, a daughter-in-law would no longer be a daughter-in-law because she was divorced from the father-in-law's son.

Put another way:

Bob's son Chris marries Jane, creating an in-law situation between Bob and Jane. Thus under MA law, Bob and Jane CAN marry. However, in order to marry, you have not be married. So, Jane divorces Chris. My question is that because Jane and Chris are now divorced, Jane and Bob are no longer in-laws . When would there be a scenario where a single woman marries her father-in-law (besides maybe if her husband dies)? Does an in-law status not sever upon the separation of the couple that created the in-law relationship?

[Rahviveh]

Damn I just got destroyed on property PQ 3. 47%. Got nearly all of the land sale contract questions wrong which was half the set. I am really bad at mortgage and recording and lien questions so I need to work on those.

Property and conlaw are def my weakest areas right now.

[not guilty]

ughhhhhhhhhhhh

happy saturday

[Easy-E]

ughhhhhhhhhhhh

happy saturday

Nothing like a conlaw lecture on a beautiful summer day

[Easy-E]

MFW I push the lecture past 3.0x

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[ultimolugar]

I know y'all aren't there yet, but the Equity lecturer is a beautiful man. Straight and to the point. 12 pages, less than 30 minutes on normal speed.

[bsktbll28082]

Latest VA Criminal Law Graded Essay:

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Alford plea?? I actually read the long outlines; don't remember this. Gonna check later to see if it's in the outline, but totally didn't know this part.

[Chardee_MacDennis]

I know y'all aren't there yet, but the Equity lecturer is a beautiful man. Straight and to the point. 12 pages, less than 30 minutes on normal speed.

What state, b/c IL equity guy is torts guy, and he's bad.

[Easy-E]

Conlaw man saying "it must be sexy" made me uncomfortable

[luxxe]

MFW I push the lecture past 3.0x

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I'm at a consistent 2.8x and I will not go back.

[ultimolugar]

I know y'all aren't there yet, but the Equity lecturer is a beautiful man. Straight and to the point. 12 pages, less than 30 minutes on normal speed.

What state, b/c IL equity guy is torts guy, and he's bad.

FL.

[ultimolugar]

Conlaw man saying "it must be sexy" made me uncomfortable

+1

[Fivedham]

I've got beef with Themis' advice on intermediate scrutiny re. gender classifications. They say in the lecture and handout that "Gender classifications are almost always invalid (e.g., Oklahoma had a law permitting women to legally drink alcohol at a younger age than men)."

But then we get to Con Law MBE PQ 2:

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A city enacted legislation that required schools to automatically expel any male student who bullied another student, with bullying defined as “physical violence not used in self-defense.” The legislation did not reference bullying committed by female students. The law was enacted in response to a high level of teen suicides that were linked to severe bullying, and it directly followed similar legislation in a neighboring state that was successful in the reduction of teen suicides over a five-year period. The in-depth analysis of the reduction of suicides in the neighboring state revealed, in those cases where bullying resulted in suicide, the vast majority involved bullying initiated by males, which was more severe than female bullying and less likely to stop without intervention. Would this statute likely survive a constitutional challenge?

Answers:

Correct Answer: Yes, because the statute is substantially related to preventing teen suicides.
Yes, because the statute is rationally related to preventing teen suicides.
You Selected: No, because there are other available solutions to prevent teen suicides.
No, because the statute does not apply to bullying committed by female students.

WTF Themis? The one gender classification question you throw at us, and it's one where the classification is upheld after intermediate scrutiny review? Jeez, okay.

[Nebby]

I missed that one too

[ndp1234]

Conlaw man saying "it must be sexy" made me uncomfortable

At least he doesn't say it too much. Pillow talk for Evidence made me a little uncomfortable as well. Like why can't spouses have conversations over the kitchen table, but need to have conversations in bed?

[Fivedham]

Pillow talk for Evidence made me a little uncomfortable as well. Like why can't spouses have conversations over the kitchen table, but need to have conversations in bed?

I think it's because the "pillow talk" fact pattern evokes a "Hmm... seems private to me" thought in your brain, whereas married people talking in the kitchen doesn't. I've seen a couple privilege MBE questions already where the supposed communication takes place in bed. It's weird, but I think it's done explicitly to draw your attention to the privileged communication fact.

[ndp1234]

For anyone who has sent Themis substantive law questions - how long do they typically take to respond?

[alicen]

does anyone know if the "logical relevance" (probative and material analysis) and "legal relevance' (to describe the 403 balancing) terminology themis suggests for the evidence essays is echoed in the sample answers provided by the bar examiners / any other materials? seems kind of strange/made-up, or at least that's not a distinction that i learned in law school...

[Virindi]

i sweat to god, Pavel Wonsowicz (performance exam guy) has a different lecture handout/outline than the one we were given. dude bro is all over the place

[AlanShore]

I scored pretty high on the first 2 evidence sets (17 questions). I took the first set of 34 yesterday and bombed it. I passed the 50% goal but not by much. My focus was definitely off but I felt the questions were a lot harder - did anyone else take it yet? (I took it 1 week early accidentally gah)

[Vantwins]

i sweat to god, Pavel Wonsowicz (performance exam guy) has a different lecture handout/outline than the one we were given. dude bro is all over the place

Those ones I just watched on my iPad on the treadmill and didn't follow along with the handouts...sounds like I made a good call!