BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 (UBE -NY) Forum

[LionelHutzJD]

Silly question, is the MEE graded on a six point scale like Barbri's?

I think it's out of 10

How are we supposed to really know that we are possibly getting passing scores then? Ug.

I believe grading in UBE states is 1-5.

http://www.seperac.com/zcalc-ube-j16.php

[KRose04]

i discovered this game slither.io last night on web browser. cant...stop...playing...

it's like old-school snake game but multi player

damn u for posting this lmao

[learntolift]

i discovered this game slither.io last night on web browser. cant...stop...playing...

it's like old-school snake game but multi player

damn u for posting this lmao

lol. i definitely was not up until 2 am playing it

[KRose04]

i discovered this game slither.io last night on web browser. cant...stop...playing...

it's like old-school snake game but multi player

damn u for posting this lmao

lol. i definitely was not up until 2 am playing it

I'm definitely NOT playing it right now lmao

[jj252525]

i discovered this game slither.io last night on web browser. cant...stop...playing...

it's like old-school snake game but multi player

damn u for posting this lmao

lol. i definitely was not up until 2 am playing it

I'm definitely NOT playing it right now lmao

How do you speed burst? Was up to 49th place until some asshole cut me off (on purpose)...

[learntolift]

i discovered this game slither.io last night on web browser. cant...stop...playing...

it's like old-school snake game but multi player

damn u for posting this lmao

lol. i definitely was not up until 2 am playing it

I'm definitely NOT playing it right now lmao

How do you speed burst? Was up to 49th place until some asshole cut me off (on purpose)...

haha, left click

just got 4500 score. my high last night was 11,700

[mvp99]

game looks addictive which is why I'm not playing it.

Also, anyone relieved to know these are real MEE questions!? I think barbri's questions are more complex, more facts, more sub-issues, etc.

[yodamiked]

Silly question, is the MEE graded on a six point scale like Barbri's?

I think it's out of 10

How are we supposed to really know that we are possibly getting passing scores then? Ug.

I believe grading in UBE states is 1-5.

http://www.seperac.com/zcalc-ube-j16.php

That's kind of a cool calculator, but doesn't really clarify how the scoring works. How do they go from a scaled 1-5 to whatever they use to figure out what you got out of 200? Also, why the heck does Barbri use 1-6 then?!

[KRose04]

Silly question, is the MEE graded on a six point scale like Barbri's?

I think it's out of 10

How are we supposed to really know that we are possibly getting passing scores then? Ug.

I believe grading in UBE states is 1-5.

http://www.seperac.com/zcalc-ube-j16.php

That's kind of a cool calculator, but doesn't really clarify how the scoring works. How do they go from a scaled 1-5 to whatever they use to figure out what you got out of 200? Also, why the heck does Barbri use 1-6 then?!

Because Barbri is an asshole

[WahooLaw24]

game looks addictive which is why I'm not playing it.

Also, anyone relieved to know these are real MEE questions!? I think barbri's questions are more complex, more facts, more sub-issues, etc.

I thought all of the questions in the MEE book were real? Most of them of them are labeled February/July [year] at the bottom, I assumed they were taken right from the exams?

[ArtistOfManliness]

Property Question Set 5, Question 12.

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A landowner devised her home to "my daughter for life, then to the eldest survivor of her two children, my grandson and granddaughter, for life, remainder to the eldest surviving offspring of the two grandchildren who is alive at the death of the last life tenant."

How does that not become just to "my daughter for life"? The daughter might have another two kids, so we have to use the daughter as the measuring life (right?), and thus we don't know who the eldest survivor of daughter will be within 21 years of the date of death of a currently living person.

Help anyone? Please. For the love of God.


... and also question 6.

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How is a tax provision about who has to pay taxes not an essential term of a contract, when one of the essential terms is how much one has to pay for the land? Barbri, you slay me.

[mvp99]

game looks addictive which is why I'm not playing it.

Also, anyone relieved to know these are real MEE questions!? I think barbri's questions are more complex, more facts, more sub-issues, etc.

I thought all of the questions in the MEE book were real? Most of them of them are labeled February/July [year] at the bottom, I assumed they were taken right from the exams?

Really? The way the guy from the video spoke about these 2013 MEE questions made it seem like the other were not real. I still think the questions for today were relatively easy.

[LionelHutzJD]

Property Question Set 5, Question 12.

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A landowner devised her home to "my daughter for life, then to the eldest survivor of her two children, my grandson and granddaughter, for life, remainder to the eldest surviving offspring of the two grandchildren who is alive at the death of the last life tenant."

How does that not become just to "my daughter for life"? The daughter might have another two kids, so we have to use the daughter as the measuring life (right?), and thus we don't know who the eldest survivor of daughter will be within 21 years of the date of death of a currently living person.

Help anyone? Please. For the love of God.

It's a devise in a will so it's only effective upon the death of the landowner. Once the landowner dies, the LE kicks in and the grandkids remainder is vested.

[mvp99]

Property Question Set 5, Question 12.

[+] Spoiler

A landowner devised her home to "my daughter for life, then to the eldest survivor of her two children, my grandson and granddaughter, for life, remainder to the eldest surviving offspring of the two grandchildren who is alive at the death of the last life tenant."

How does that not become just to "my daughter for life"? The daughter might have another two kids, so we have to use the daughter as the measuring life (right?), and thus we don't know who the eldest survivor of daughter will be within 21 years of the date of death of a currently living person.

Help anyone? Please. For the love of God.

I think the daughter's children are not measuring life's (and I think there's an argument that the class is closed by definition to the two children) so it doesn't matter. When Landowner dies daughter is her own measuring life when she dies we will definitely know whether there is an eldest survivor, grandson and granddaughter are their own measuring life and then the remainder is a contingent remainder. Landowner has a reversionary interest I think.

edit: what I meant actually by the class is closed is that if the landowner is naming directly two children only, then they could be their own measuring lives, there is no class really. In any case it doesn't matter here.

[ArtistOfManliness]

Property Question Set 5, Question 12.

[+] Spoiler

A landowner devised her home to "my daughter for life, then to the eldest survivor of her two children, my grandson and granddaughter, for life, remainder to the eldest surviving offspring of the two grandchildren who is alive at the death of the last life tenant."

How does that not become just to "my daughter for life"? The daughter might have another two kids, so we have to use the daughter as the measuring life (right?), and thus we don't know who the eldest survivor of daughter will be within 21 years of the date of death of a currently living person.

Help anyone? Please. For the love of God.

I think the daughter's children are not measuring life's (and I think there's an argument that the class is closed by definition to the two children) so it doesn't matter. When Landowner dies daughter is her own measuring life when she dies we will definitely know whether there is an eldest survivor, grandson and granddaughter are their own measuring life and then the remainder is a contingent remainder. Landowner has a reversionary interest I think.

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OHHHH its the eldest survivor of the daughter. I thought it was the eldest survivor between the grandchildren (which we couldn't figure out until all the grandbabies but one died).

[mvp99]

Property Question Set 5, Question 12.

[+] Spoiler

A landowner devised her home to "my daughter for life, then to the eldest survivor of her two children, my grandson and granddaughter, for life, remainder to the eldest surviving offspring of the two grandchildren who is alive at the death of the last life tenant."

How does that not become just to "my daughter for life"? The daughter might have another two kids, so we have to use the daughter as the measuring life (right?), and thus we don't know who the eldest survivor of daughter will be within 21 years of the date of death of a currently living person.

Help anyone? Please. For the love of God.

I think the daughter's children are not measuring life's (and I think there's an argument that the class is closed by definition to the two children) so it doesn't matter. When Landowner dies daughter is her own measuring life when she dies we will definitely know whether there is an eldest survivor, grandson and granddaughter are their own measuring life and then the remainder is a contingent remainder. Landowner has a reversionary interest I think.

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OHHHH its the eldest survivor of the daughter. I thought it was the eldest survivor between the grandchildren (which we couldn't figure out until all the grandbabies but one died).

yea but don't trust me let see if a third person can confirm this for us

[LionelHutzJD]

Property Question Set 5, Question 12.

[+] Spoiler

A landowner devised her home to "my daughter for life, then to the eldest survivor of her two children, my grandson and granddaughter, for life, remainder to the eldest surviving offspring of the two grandchildren who is alive at the death of the last life tenant."

How does that not become just to "my daughter for life"? The daughter might have another two kids, so we have to use the daughter as the measuring life (right?), and thus we don't know who the eldest survivor of daughter will be within 21 years of the date of death of a currently living person.

Help anyone? Please. For the love of God.

I think the daughter's children are not measuring life's (and I think there's an argument that the class is closed by definition to the two children) so it doesn't matter. When Landowner dies daughter is her own measuring life when she dies we will definitely know whether there is an eldest survivor, grandson and granddaughter are their own measuring life and then the remainder is a contingent remainder. Landowner has a reversionary interest I think.

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OHHHH its the eldest survivor of the daughter. I thought it was the eldest survivor between the grandchildren (which we couldn't figure out until all the grandbabies but one died).

yea but don't trust me let see if a third person can confirm this for us

The conveyance is in a WILL. It's is not to be analyzed at the time the conveyance is written, but rather on the probate of the will. Thus, upon the death of the landowner (the time we evaluate the conveyance) we will know within 21 years of the death of a life in being (daughter) who the eldest survivor is.

[kcdc1]

Property Question Set 5, Question 12.

[+] Spoiler

A landowner devised her home to "my daughter for life, then to the eldest survivor of her two children, my grandson and granddaughter, for life, remainder to the eldest surviving offspring of the two grandchildren who is alive at the death of the last life tenant."

How does that not become just to "my daughter for life"? The daughter might have another two kids, so we have to use the daughter as the measuring life (right?), and thus we don't know who the eldest survivor of daughter will be within 21 years of the date of death of a currently living person.

Help anyone? Please. For the love of God.

It's a devise in a will so it's only effective upon the death of the landowner. Once the landowner dies, the LE kicks in and the grandkids remainder is vested.

I'd say the daughter, grandson, and granddaughter are all available lives in being. The grandson and granddaughter appear to be specifically identified -- or at least they will be at the time of the landowner's death -- so this is not a class whose members are yet ascertained. Accordingly, when the last of the group [[daughter, grandson, granddaughter]] dies, the "eldest surviving offspring" will be immediately identifiable and the right to the property will vest. Thus, there is no RAP problem because the rights are guaranteed to vest within 21 years of the last life in being.

[sublime]

Ugh. About to take this essay test.



Btw, is anybody outlining/making their own notecards.

I outlined torts and crim law so far, and I know the material much better now, but I am not sure whether it is optimal use of time, or just a time sink.

[sublime]

Thoughts on the MEE sim:

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Haven't reviewed but most seemed decently straightforward

That MPT was weird, I think it was because of all the different negligence standards going on at once, hard to get a hold of then organize right in that time frame

K's question seemed straightfirward so idk if I looked over something

Con law was fine, but I couldn't really remember the substantive standards, hopefully there were a lot of SA points there.

LOL secured transactions - I had like two paragraphs.

[learntolift]

Thoughts on the MEE sim:

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Haven't reviewed but most seemed decently straightforward

That MPT was weird, I think it was because of all the different negligence standards going on at once, hard to get a hold of then organize right in that time frame

K's question seemed straightfirward so idk if I looked over something

Con law was fine, but I couldn't really remember the substantive standards, hopefully there were a lot of SA points there.

LOL secured transactions - I had like two paragraphs.

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I'm just glad I remembered 'garage sale rule' and called it a day on that one

I'm not gonna lie though, i still cannot exert the effort to write out while essays (except MPT) so I just read, outlined, and watched the videos to see what i may have missed

[WheatThins]

That Contracts set 5 was really hard, right? Scored way lower than I had been on it.

[sublime]

That Contracts set 5 was really hard, right? Scored way lower than I had been on it.

I haven't done it yet, but I think someone in the 4L thread said it was and 5th sets w/ Barbri are kind of notoriously hard, I have heard. The Torts one, the only set 5 I have done so far, definitely fucked me up.

[sublime]

Are you guys doing the T outlines, outlining your own way, or not really outlining at all.

[mvp99]

Are you guys doing the T outlines, outlining your own way, or not really outlining at all.

What's a T outline? I'm not outlining for MBE only subjects although I'm keeping a list of the rules I get wrong. It's pretty long, like 40 pages, so I have to go over it in the next few days and trim it down. I'm adding some notes to my lean sheets MEE outlines.