Barbri paced program question? Forum

[lmr]

So does anybody else feel it is entirely likely you'll see multiple essay questions that you have no idea how to answer on exam day? I have read everything for Barbri, including essays, except the long state outline for some topics, and I still get essay questions out of left field where end up making up an answer.

Is it some subjects more than others? I feel like once i read the fact pattern i need to read it again relax and then outline. I don't think barbri emphasizes outlining your essay answer enough before writing it. I think that once you outline/think the answer through then in the middle of the process you figure out why a fact is there and what issue that fact is trying to trigger-idk if that makes sense...just remember that a 132 raw on your mbe + at least 65s on your PTs gives you a really nice cushion for the essays.

[MoneyMay]

So does anybody else feel it is entirely likely you'll see multiple essay questions that you have no idea how to answer on exam day? I have read everything for Barbri, including essays, except the long state outline for some topics, and I still get essay questions out of left field where end up making up an answer.

Yup. Probably gonna be leaning heavily on the MBE to bring it home.

Pretty much this.

[LAWYER2]

So does anybody else feel it is entirely likely you'll see multiple essay questions that you have no idea how to answer on exam day? I have read everything for Barbri, including essays, except the long state outline for some topics, and I still get essay questions out of left field where end up making up an answer.

Yup. Probably gonna be leaning heavily on the MBE to bring it home.

Pretty much this.

. . . and then some.

[Helpful]

So does anybody else feel it is entirely likely you'll see multiple essay questions that you have no idea how to answer on exam day? I have read everything for Barbri, including essays, except the long state outline for some topics, and I still get essay questions out of left field where end up making up an answer.

Yup. Probably gonna be leaning heavily on the MBE to bring it home.

Pretty much this.

. . . and then some.

I'm sure this varies heavily by state, but looking at my state (NY)'s model answers definitely reassured me on this. There is seemingly a fair bit of variation in the "RAC" part of "IRAC," so that as long as you're roughly in the right area, you could still score average or even above. Obviously not best to rely on this, but it convinced me to keep looking at the big picture and not stress out over minute details.

[Stringer6]

I'm sure this varies heavily by state, but looking at my state (NY)'s model answers definitely reassured me on this. There is seemingly a fair bit of variation in the "RAC" part of "IRAC," so that as long as you're roughly in the right area, you could still score average or even above. Obviously not best to rely on this, but it convinced me to keep looking at the big picture and not stress out over minute details.

link? i could use some reassurance.

[jd20132013]

anyone else who does the StudySmart sets in the book and then enters them into the online app notice that the questions in the book set 5 aren't all in the online set 5?

annoying when you try to transfer them over and some random question from set 6 pops up

[alicrimson]

anyone else who does the StudySmart sets in the book and then enters them into the online app notice that the questions in the book set 5 aren't all in the online set 5?

annoying when you try to transfer them over and some random question from set 6 pops up

I noticed that yesterday with contracts, but today's property was fine.

[alicrimson]

So does anybody else feel it is entirely likely you'll see multiple essay questions that you have no idea how to answer on exam day? I have read everything for Barbri, including essays, except the long state outline for some topics, and I still get essay questions out of left field where end up making up an answer.

Kinda. I've had it happen multiple times where I'll see the essay and the know the big issue being tested, but I'll fail to recall of the elements/intricacies or I'll have problems coming up with arguments that pass the laugh test, because the issue seems almost too one sided to address. There's going to be a lot of this is the issue, here's what I recall the rule is to the best of my ability (with some incorrect elements or missing elements), and let me attempt an application. I'm taking comfort in the fact that almost no one memorizes all of the elements. It seems to me that if we had to remember every element for everything and write a really good essay, no one would pass...or very few would anyways. I hope I'm correct.

[jd20132013]

I thought that the prosecution was not allowed to strike someone (Under a for-cause strike, not peremptory) for saying they were opposed to the death penalty and therefore unsure whether they could vote to administer the death penalty? Thought the rule was no strike unless the person says unequivocally that they would NEVER vote to administer the death penalty?

Just did a problem that seems to suggest that a prosecutor can strike someone for just saying they're opposed and and unsure.

[pizzasodafries]

I thought that the prosecution was not allowed to strike someone for saying they were opposed to the death penalty and therefore unsure whether they could vote to administer the death penalty? Thought the rule was no strike unless the person says unequivocally that they would NEVER vote to administer the death penalty?

Just did a problem that seems to suggest that a prosecutor can strike someone for just saying they're opposed and and unsure.

For a peremptory strike? As long as its not based on race or gender they can strike whoever they want for whatever reason

[jd20132013]

Sorry, I meant for cause. Let me edit to reflect that

[turquoiseturtle]

So does anybody else feel it is entirely likely you'll see multiple essay questions that you have no idea how to answer on exam day? I have read everything for Barbri, including essays, except the long state outline for some topics, and I still get essay questions out of left field where end up making up an answer.

Kinda. I've had it happen multiple times where I'll see the essay and the know the big issue being tested, but I'll fail to recall of the elements/intricacies or I'll have problems coming up with arguments that pass the laugh test, because the issue seems almost too one sided to address. There's going to be a lot of this is the issue, here's what I recall the rule is to the best of my ability (with some incorrect elements or missing elements), and let me attempt an application. I'm taking comfort in the fact that almost no one memorizes all of the elements. It seems to me that if we had to remember every element for everything and write a really good essay, no one would pass...or very few would anyways. I hope I'm correct.

This is how I feel too.....except I am intimidated by the model student answers that are provided. (I'm taking NY if it matters). Some of the things memorized and cited in them are totally out of reach. I'm talking about things like the actual statute numbers or a list of factors/elements in subjects like secured transactions and worker's comp. which are tested at or less 10% of the time. Is general consensus that those are way way above passing?

[MoneyMay]

So does anybody else feel it is entirely likely you'll see multiple essay questions that you have no idea how to answer on exam day? I have read everything for Barbri, including essays, except the long state outline for some topics, and I still get essay questions out of left field where end up making up an answer.

Kinda. I've had it happen multiple times where I'll see the essay and the know the big issue being tested, but I'll fail to recall of the elements/intricacies or I'll have problems coming up with arguments that pass the laugh test, because the issue seems almost too one sided to address. There's going to be a lot of this is the issue, here's what I recall the rule is to the best of my ability (with some incorrect elements or missing elements), and let me attempt an application. I'm taking comfort in the fact that almost no one memorizes all of the elements. It seems to me that if we had to remember every element for everything and write a really good essay, no one would pass...or very few would anyways. I hope I'm correct.

This is how I feel too.....except I am intimidated by the model student answers that are provided. (I'm taking NY if it matters). Some of the things memorized and cited in them are totally out of reach. I'm talking about things like the actual statute numbers or a list of factors/elements in subjects like secured transactions and worker's comp. which are tested at or less 10% of the time. Is general consensus that those are way way above passing?

My State has some pretty insane model answers as well (FL) but the pass rate in FL is ~80%. I just tell myself there is no way in hell 80% of recently graduated law students in FL are writing anything close to that.

[northwood]

So does anybody else feel it is entirely likely you'll see multiple essay questions that you have no idea how to answer on exam day? I have read everything for Barbri, including essays, except the long state outline for some topics, and I still get essay questions out of left field where end up making up an answer.

Kinda. I've had it happen multiple times where I'll see the essay and the know the big issue being tested, but I'll fail to recall of the elements/intricacies or I'll have problems coming up with arguments that pass the laugh test, because the issue seems almost too one sided to address. There's going to be a lot of this is the issue, here's what I recall the rule is to the best of my ability (with some incorrect elements or missing elements), and let me attempt an application. I'm taking comfort in the fact that almost no one memorizes all of the elements. It seems to me that if we had to remember every element for everything and write a really good essay, no one would pass...or very few would anyways. I hope I'm correct.

This is how I feel too.....except I am intimidated by the model student answers that are provided. (I'm taking NY if it matters). Some of the things memorized and cited in them are totally out of reach. I'm talking about things like the actual statute numbers or a list of factors/elements in subjects like secured transactions and worker's comp. which are tested at or less 10% of the time. Is general consensus that those are way way above passing?

the thing you ought to remember is that the board gets to look and choose released model answers out of every single answer response. So if they decided to ask about some random topic in some random course and 2 people just so happen to have decided that they should memorize the rule, the test and all elements for it, and then were able to apply that test to the fact pattern provided, well then they can choose it.

[mvpforme]

I thought that the prosecution was not allowed to strike someone (Under a for-cause strike, not peremptory) for saying they were opposed to the death penalty and therefore unsure whether they could vote to administer the death penalty? Thought the rule was no strike unless the person says unequivocally that they would NEVER vote to administer the death penalty?

Just did a problem that seems to suggest that a prosecutor can strike someone for just saying they're opposed and and unsure.

Just curious, what subject is this for? Crim Pro? If so, is it covered on the MBE? I don't remember reading anything about peremptory strikes other than that the ∆ can't strike anybody for race or gender because court enforcement would be state action.

Edited.

[jd20132013]

I thought that the prosecution was not allowed to strike someone (Under a for-cause strike, not peremptory) for saying they were opposed to the death penalty and therefore unsure whether they could vote to administer the death penalty? Thought the rule was no strike unless the person says unequivocally that they would NEVER vote to administer the death penalty?

Just did a problem that seems to suggest that a prosecutor can strike someone for just saying they're opposed and and unsure.

Just curious, what subject is this for? Crim Pro? If so, is it covered on the MBE? I don't remember reading anything about peremptory strikes other than that the ∆ can't strike anybody for race or gender because court enforcement would be state action.

Edited.

no it's not peremptory strikes, it's for cause strikes. question was based on the constitutionally permissible composition of the jury. it's a past MBE question fwiw

[Heat]

I thought that the prosecution was not allowed to strike someone (Under a for-cause strike, not peremptory) for saying they were opposed to the death penalty and therefore unsure whether they could vote to administer the death penalty? Thought the rule was no strike unless the person says unequivocally that they would NEVER vote to administer the death penalty?

Just did a problem that seems to suggest that a prosecutor can strike someone for just saying they're opposed and and unsure.

Just curious, what subject is this for? Crim Pro? If so, is it covered on the MBE? I don't remember reading anything about peremptory strikes other than that the ∆ can't strike anybody for race or gender because court enforcement would be state action.

Edited.

It's on Page 27 of the CMR. Right to an Impartial Jury.

[AJS30]

Question about Crim Pro- lets say an officer is in hot pursuit of a felon and enters the house of a 3rd party and there is cocaine on that 3rd parties kitchen table. Can the officer seize the cocaine and arrest that 3rd party?

[jd20132013]

i would say so. plain view seizures are allowed as long as the officer was privileged to be there, and hot pursuit privileges the officer to go where the pursuit leads

[VulcanVulcanVulcan]

Did anyone else find the half-day exam in the barbri book to be really, really difficult? I was doing okay on the MBE questions recently and then straight-up bombed the half-day exam.

[MoneyMay]

Did anyone else find the half-day exam in the barbri book to be really, really difficult? I was doing okay on the MBE questions recently and then straight-up bombed the half-day exam.

Yes. I thought the midterm was difficult, but everything after the midterm has been absolutely insane.

[jaydizzle]

Man some of these sets 5 & 6 are tough. Anyone think Torts was particularly tough?

[aquasalad]

Just took the Barbri half day simulated final exam... those questions kicked up a notch from #81-end. Wow. 62/100, missed 13 of the last 20 questions. WTF.

[VulcanVulcanVulcan]

Did anyone else find the half-day exam in the barbri book to be really, really difficult? I was doing okay on the MBE questions recently and then straight-up bombed the half-day exam.

Yes. I thought the midterm was difficult, but everything after the midterm has been absolutely insane.

Yeah. I don't get their pedagogic logic (rhyme intended) in having the Mixed Sets be not so bad and then the half-day exam be much harder. Is it even worth doing the full-day exam then?

[jaydizzle]

Yikes. If some of the 5 & 6 sets are difficult, I am doomed for this final. Argh.