NY July 2016 Thread Forum

[Rahviveh]

This is collateral but people who don't speak English are totally capable of writing perfect English. Just how English education works in some Asian countries

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[canijustsleep]

On a lighter note:

All of my practical experience is an area where if you're underprepared for an argument, you go emotional and dramatic (it makes complete sense given the area of law, it's a small enough field that I'm not going to identify it) - so that's my instinct.

So, um, I hope whoever grades my green MPT is excited for the most overly dramatic and impassioned defense of that business anyone will likely ever see...

[styr]

This is collateral but people who don't speak English are totally capable of writing perfect English. Just how English education works in some Asian countries

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True and true. However, it's possible even for people who really suck at writing English (as a second language or natively) to do well on law essays. Spelling and grammar don't usually factor in as long as you have all the logical relationships right. (Edit: This is also too bad, because so many lawyers then have crappy English, and rely on paralegals and others to correct their basic mistakes, but a lot of those people also have crappy English writing skills...You'd think American lawyers would be guardians of good English if that's one of their main tools of the profession, but that's clearly not the case.)

On a lighter note:

All of my practical experience is an area where if you're underprepared for an argument, you go emotional and dramatic (it makes complete sense given the area of law, it's a small enough field that I'm not going to identify it) - so that's my instinct.

So, um, I hope whoever grades my green MPT is excited for the most overly dramatic and impassioned defense of that business anyone will likely ever see...

That's the general strategy for family law, even within the rules. It's too bad that didn't show up. This time, the MEE predictor was full of epic fail. I think it only got 3 of the 7 subjects predicted.

[Mr. Peanutbutter]

Can we lock this thread?

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

On a lighter note:

All of my practical experience is an area where if you're underprepared for an argument, you go emotional and dramatic (it makes complete sense given the area of law, it's a small enough field that I'm not going to identify it) - so that's my instinct.

So, um, I hope whoever grades my green MPT is excited for the most overly dramatic and impassioned defense of that business anyone will likely ever see...

I got incredulous over how obviously right the business was. They had so many reasons they were right it was a race against the clock just to list them all. And the main reason they were right was so blatant I felt stupid just writing it.

[whitecollar23]

On a lighter note:

All of my practical experience is an area where if you're underprepared for an argument, you go emotional and dramatic (it makes complete sense given the area of law, it's a small enough field that I'm not going to identify it) - so that's my instinct.

So, um, I hope whoever grades my green MPT is excited for the most overly dramatic and impassioned defense of that business anyone will likely ever see...

I got incredulous over how obviously right the business was. They had so many reasons they were right it was a race against the clock just to list them all. And the main reason they were right was so blatant I felt stupid just writing it.

A "main" reason. I think they were all pretty much main reasons, lol. There were some factors that could militate against them, though. I hope you wrote those and then tried to discredit them.

[styr]

On a lighter note:

All of my practical experience is an area where if you're underprepared for an argument, you go emotional and dramatic (it makes complete sense given the area of law, it's a small enough field that I'm not going to identify it) - so that's my instinct.

So, um, I hope whoever grades my green MPT is excited for the most overly dramatic and impassioned defense of that business anyone will likely ever see...

I got incredulous over how obviously right the business was. They had so many reasons they were right it was a race against the clock just to list them all. And the main reason they were right was so blatant I felt stupid just writing it.

I only found 5 of the 9 factors in their favor. I also had counterarguments for a lot of them. It would have been more interesting if there had been 10 (or some even number) of factors.

[whitecollar23]

On a lighter note:

All of my practical experience is an area where if you're underprepared for an argument, you go emotional and dramatic (it makes complete sense given the area of law, it's a small enough field that I'm not going to identify it) - so that's my instinct.

So, um, I hope whoever grades my green MPT is excited for the most overly dramatic and impassioned defense of that business anyone will likely ever see...

I got incredulous over how obviously right the business was. They had so many reasons they were right it was a race against the clock just to list them all. And the main reason they were right was so blatant I felt stupid just writing it.

I only found 5 of the 9 factors in their favor. I also had counterarguments for a lot of them. It would have been more interesting if there had been 10 (or some even number) of factors.

In the end, it's really just a matter of the arguments you make and if they make sense. I was able to argue for I think 8 of them to be in their favor and one as neutral. Remember, it was persuasive, so I hope you were able to argue more than just 5 in your brief.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

On a lighter note:

All of my practical experience is an area where if you're underprepared for an argument, you go emotional and dramatic (it makes complete sense given the area of law, it's a small enough field that I'm not going to identify it) - so that's my instinct.

So, um, I hope whoever grades my green MPT is excited for the most overly dramatic and impassioned defense of that business anyone will likely ever see...

I got incredulous over how obviously right the business was. They had so many reasons they were right it was a race against the clock just to list them all. And the main reason they were right was so blatant I felt stupid just writing it.

A "main" reason. I think they were all pretty much main reasons, lol. There were some factors that could militate against them, though. I hope you wrote those and then tried to discredit them.

I meant the one related to time and the inherent nature of the business.

Everything else is sort of ancillary.

[Mr. Peanutbutter]

I wish nothing but bad things on you people

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

On a lighter note:

All of my practical experience is an area where if you're underprepared for an argument, you go emotional and dramatic (it makes complete sense given the area of law, it's a small enough field that I'm not going to identify it) - so that's my instinct.

So, um, I hope whoever grades my green MPT is excited for the most overly dramatic and impassioned defense of that business anyone will likely ever see...

I got incredulous over how obviously right the business was. They had so many reasons they were right it was a race against the clock just to list them all. And the main reason they were right was so blatant I felt stupid just writing it.

I only found 5 of the 9 factors in their favor. I also had counterarguments for a lot of them. It would have been more interesting if there had been 10 (or some even number) of factors.

I had I think six in their favor, one against them, and two as irrelevant. But each of the ones in their favor had about two or three independent supporting facts.

[whitecollar23]

On a lighter note:

All of my practical experience is an area where if you're underprepared for an argument, you go emotional and dramatic (it makes complete sense given the area of law, it's a small enough field that I'm not going to identify it) - so that's my instinct.

So, um, I hope whoever grades my green MPT is excited for the most overly dramatic and impassioned defense of that business anyone will likely ever see...

I got incredulous over how obviously right the business was. They had so many reasons they were right it was a race against the clock just to list them all. And the main reason they were right was so blatant I felt stupid just writing it.

A "main" reason. I think they were all pretty much main reasons, lol. There were some factors that could militate against them, though. I hope you wrote those and then tried to discredit them.

I meant the one related to time and the inherent nature of the business.

Everything else is sort of ancillary.

Don't recall what you're referring to. I just know that when I did it, I listed the nine factors and then filled in the relevant facts from his testimony and distinguishable facts from the case, and then just wrote it up.

[ellewoods123]

I wish nothing but bad things on you people

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

I meant the one related to time and the inherent nature of the business.

Everything else is sort of ancillary.

Don't recall what you're referring to. I just know that when I did it, I listed the nine factors and then filled in the relevant facts from his testimony and distinguishable facts from the case, and then just wrote it up.

Gonna try and not be too specific here--Owing to biology, it would've been impossible for any recently-created business to do the "main thing" they didn't do in that time frame, so a failure to do so doesn't imply anything about motive.

[Mr. Peanutbutter]

WE GET IT YOU DID WELL ON THE MPT AND THOUGHT HARDER ABOUT IT THAN MOST

[ellewoods123]

WE GET IT YOU DID WELL ON THE MPT AND THOUGHT HARDER ABOUT IT THAN MOST

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

WE GET IT YOU DID WELL ON THE MPT AND THOUGHT HARDER ABOUT IT THAN MOST

Not sure what you were expecting people to talk about when you opened this thread.

[whitecollar23]

I meant the one related to time and the inherent nature of the business.

Everything else is sort of ancillary.

Don't recall what you're referring to. I just know that when I did it, I listed the nine factors and then filled in the relevant facts from his testimony and distinguishable facts from the case, and then just wrote it up.

Gonna try and not be too specific here--Owing to biology, it would've been impossible for any recently-created business to do the "main thing" they didn't do in that time frame, so a failure to do so doesn't imply anything about motive.

Oh, right. Yeah. I think I wrote that on its own, but also sprinkled that in with the rest of the factors.

[canijustsleep]

WE GET IT YOU DID WELL ON THE MPT AND THOUGHT HARDER ABOUT IT THAN MOST

Not sure what you were expecting people to talk about when you opened this thread.

As the original person who brought the MPT up . . . sorry guys. I was just going for a more-fun-than-average story to lighten the mood a bit, but it was totally foreseeable (lol kill me) that it would launch a whole discussion about the details of the thing

[MCFC]

I definitely got a little fed up with the whole exercise by the end of MPT 2 and I'm sure it probably showed a bit in my answer. My god, the furniture RECLINES? Checkmate?

[MCFC]

How does it work when they finally get around to telling us our scores? Email? A big list on a website? (It's public record, I think?)

[LionelHutzJD]

I definitely got a little fed up with the whole exercise by the end of MPT 2 and I'm sure it probably showed a bit in my answer. My god, the furniture RECLINES? Checkmate?

HAHA. Reclining makes for a better work environment.

[just_me]

Does anyone have any knowledge of when the results are generally released? Any idea whether the transfer to the UBE is likely to have any impact on the timing of results?

[ndp1234]

Does anyone have any knowledge of when the results are generally released? Any idea whether the transfer to the UBE is likely to have any impact on the timing of results?

Usually the last week of October or first week of November. Historically it has been between October 26-November 2. Really hope it being UBE streamlines the grading process.

[afarmerfromiowa]

I'm surprised it sounds like everyone talked about all 9 factors; I thought several were neutral and kind of ancillary and only addressed the three that were really good for the client and the two that were really bad.