BarBri Bar Review Hangout - February 2016 Exam Forum

[MTBike]

I can tell we're getting close to D-day. My body and brain are starting to betray me with uncontrollable anxiety and the inability to get a good night sleep.

[BrokenMouse]

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[fadedsunrise]

After today, I will have done about 650 MBE questions from the Emanuel book + Kaplan. For what it's worth, with the exception of property (63%), I am getting about 70%+ accuracy. Does anybody know if this Emanuel book is easier than say Barbri or Kaplan? I know Emanuel uses real MBE questions, but not sure if it's easier than simulated.

For those of you who have done 1000+, are you keeping track of your accuracy? If so, has it improved overall?

I'm sitting around 800 from Adaptibar+Barbri assignments. For Adaptibar, I'm at 470 with 64.5% overall. That's 51% on Civ Pro, 60% on Evidence and Contracts, and then 70%+ on the other subjects. I started out around 66%, then my accuracy got throttled once civ pro got added, and now it's crept back up after I've done slightly more questions.

I did somewhere above 1500 last time, but I don't think I cracked average of 60% accuracy on any consistent basis.

[atcushman]

where is the half day simulated essay exam?

[THE_U]

I'm sitting at 71.8% overall on Adaptibar (1519 questions). Questions 1-350 were 66.7%. 1051-1400 improved to 78.6%

[gtg]

Could someone please explain Governmental Immunity to me (in general and particularly in Torts)? I know that the Gov't needs to "give permission to be sued." But I remember from doing the essays, that there was a question about someone calling 911 and the cops going to the wrong address and that person suffered an injury and sued the gov't, but the Gov't Immunity applied. In a different question, a state employee injured someone and they did not mention Gov't Immunity. Thanks.

Can you recall which essay the police question came from? I remember it clearly -- someone called the cops because a friend was outside ready to beat him up, the cops went to the wrong address. If I recall correctly that question tested the 1 year and 90 day rule, and the plaintiff failed to give adequate notice within 90 days. Maybe I am wrong in recalling the facts and outcome.

Ok I found it. It's question 8 in Torts. And the rule says that "Certain functions historically have been construed such that they could be performed adequately only bye the government, and thus they are held to be governmental in character, e.g. police, fire, courts etc. In these functions, tort immunity attaches."

[NY_Sea]

I'm sitting at 71.8% overall on Adaptibar (1519 questions). Questions 1-350 were 66.7%. 1051-1400 improved to 78.6%

Sitting at 70.3% total after 2,223 questions. 1-350 was 56.6%... 1751-2100 was 78.9%. 2100-2223 is 80%.

We got this dude!

[Sue]

I'm sitting at 71.8% overall on Adaptibar (1519 questions). Questions 1-350 were 66.7%. 1051-1400 improved to 78.6%

Sitting at 70.3% total after 2,223 questions. 1-350 was 56.6%... 1751-2100 was 78.9%. 2100-2223 is 80%.

We got this dude!

Wow, these are some solid scores.

[doubltall]

I've conferred with some other people using barbri, and apparently the California materials for essay-writing include some helpful boilerplate paragraphs which one would want to be sure to drill/memorize to write given scenarios they lay out.

Does anyone have any resources like this for the MEE either in their UBE barbri materials or elsewhere? I'm using 2013 books /: but that sounds like something I'd like to check out if it's available.

[BrokenMouse]

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[fadedsunrise]

After today, I will have done about 650 MBE questions from the Emanuel book + Kaplan. For what it's worth, with the exception of property (63%), I am getting about 70%+ accuracy. Does anybody know if this Emanuel book is easier than say Barbri or Kaplan? I know Emanuel uses real MBE questions, but not sure if it's easier than simulated.

For those of you who have done 1000+, are you keeping track of your accuracy? If so, has it improved overall?

I'm sitting around 800 from Adaptibar+Barbri assignments. For Adaptibar, I'm at 470 with 64.5% overall. That's 51% on Civ Pro, 60% on Evidence and Contracts, and then 70%+ on the other subjects. I started out around 66%, then my accuracy got throttled once civ pro got added, and now it's crept back up after I've done slightly more questions.

I did somewhere above 1500 last time, but I don't think I cracked average of 60% accuracy on any consistent basis.

Well 1500 last time around is a lot. Do you feel like doing a lot of problems didn't help? Were you reviewing thoroughly and remembering not to make the same mistake?

I think it was a combination of not reviewing thoroughly and not balancing essays and MBE. I would consider myself slightly better at multiple choice than essay questions so I think I had the misguided idea that if I got really good at MBEs then I could do less well on essays. Then I had the second misguided idea that more is better with MBEs and that not reading all the explanations was somehow ok as long as I cranked out questions. I ended up cramming 30-50 essays in the last 2 weeks.

This time around I've definitely tried to do more essays earlier, and less quantity over quality on MBEs. But I think the defining quality has been making outlines as I used to in law school. I listened to the lectures at approximately 1.5x each, then typed out an outline based on the lecture handouts, then updated the outline with things I feel like I'm missing after trying out the questions and essays. Last time I tried making flashcards, abandoned that, tried annotating the short Kaplan outline, and tried Critical Pass, but I didn't really feel like any of it stuck because to me it was too passive. I thought I didn't have time to make 17 something outlines because I should practice more, but that just made the practicing not as useful.

[NY_Sea]

I'm sitting at 71.8% overall on Adaptibar (1519 questions). Questions 1-350 were 66.7%. 1051-1400 improved to 78.6%

Sitting at 70.3% total after 2,223 questions. 1-350 was 56.6%... 1751-2100 was 78.9%. 2100-2223 is 80%.

We got this dude!

Wow, these are some solid scores.

Thank you... A lot of reviewing answers and starting to pick up question patterns/wrong answer patterns.

[doubltall]

I'm reviewing TPB contracts (not too difficult really) but I'm getting muddled down with one phrase in the CMR about Promisor defenses

Lets say we're past the identification/vesting phase for TPBs, and we're on to enforcement of the agreement--the TBP's rights against the Promisor (the person who promised that they would pay the third party in the agreement.)

The CMR has an odd wording which I can't figure out. Any examples explaining this would be appreciated. (Page 76-77 in K section)

TPB vs Promisor: A beneficiary may sue the promisor on the contract. The promisor may raise against the TPB any defense that the promisor has against the promisee. Whether the promisor may use the defenses the promisee would have against the TPB depends on whether the promisor made an absolute promise to pay, or only a promise to pay what the promisee owes the beneficiary.

If the promise is absolute, the promisor cannot assert the promisee's defenses; if the promise is not absolute, the promisor can assert the promisee's defenses.

TL;DR: what the heck makes a promise absolute? I'm not clear on the distinction and why it matters.

Here's what I think an absolute promise is:
A is promised by B that he will pay the $5,000 owed due to A's services to C. (Absolute, thus B can't raise A's K defenses if sued by C?)

But what is an example of a promise that is not absolute? And what is the rationale behind this determination? (Rationale/logic often helps me cement concepts a lot better.)

[MrMustache]

Done with the MBE refresher.

71/100

[Fleetoffoot4]

I can tell we're getting close to D-day. My body and brain are starting to betray me with uncontrollable anxiety and the inability to get a good night sleep.

My thoughts exactly. Hit me like a freight train last night, nothing like finally getting to sleep at 4am.

[BrokenMouse]

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[michaelklein]

Anyone know where I can find Florida bar exam outlines hopefully based off of Barbri lectures?

[michaelklein]

Good Guy - could you elaborate re the book you recommended. Why did it help and how did it go beyond a Barbri question and answer MBE question?

Also, I'm looking for great Florida Bar outlines. I had great ones for CA all based on Barbri lectures. Barexamdoc.com.

[NY_Sea]

Just wanna say fuck these ridiculously long fact patterns in Property MPQ Set 6...

[Carly12]

Just wanna say fuck these ridiculously long fact patterns in Property MPQ Set 6...

I am there with you. Was happy with my 55% after getting bored of reading them and guessing 80% of them.

[Sue]

Just wanna say fuck these ridiculously long fact patterns in Property MPQ Set 6...

I am there with you. Was happy with my 55% after getting bored of reading them and guessing 80% of them.

+1

[NY_Sea]

Just wanna say fuck these ridiculously long fact patterns in Property MPQ Set 6...

I am there with you. Was happy with my 55% after getting bored of reading them and guessing 80% of them.

I did pretty well on it, but was still not happy reading the fact patterns lol

[THE_U]

Just wanna say fuck these ridiculously long fact patterns in Property MPQ Set 6...

I am there with you. Was happy with my 55% after getting bored of reading them and guessing 80% of them.

I did pretty well on it, but was still not happy reading the fact patterns lol

Did you do Mixed Set 5 by any chance? If you did, I was wondering what you thought of some of the fact patterns and answer explanations.

[NY_Sea]

Just wanna say fuck these ridiculously long fact patterns in Property MPQ Set 6...

I am there with you. Was happy with my 55% after getting bored of reading them and guessing 80% of them.

I did pretty well on it, but was still not happy reading the fact patterns lol

Did you do Mixed Set 5 by any chance? If you did, I was wondering what you thought of some of the fact patterns and answer explanations.

Did we get assigned that? I'm in NY, but I don't think it got assigned to us. I did up to set 4.

[NY_Sea]

Done with the MBE refresher.

71/100

Good job Mustache!! I was around there... Missed a few gimmes that pissed me off, but I think anything above 10 points over what they wanted is pretty good.