BarBri - NY Exam - July 2014 Forum

[greenjuice]

Yeah at this point I definitely feel like I'm gonna pass because I know enough to be dangerous and that's all you need

We're definitely getting some shit that has to do with Wills, one with Dom. Relations, and one with Professional Responsibility on essays so if I know the shitty rules in those subjects I feel good

If they give us an essay that requires lengthy rule statements and analysis for like, conflicts of law they can fuck right off haha "uhhhh interest analysis, except maybe when a plaintiff is a New Yorker, maybe"

For Conflict of laws i'm gonna name drop like a mofo.

Uh, this accident occurred in Assville which under the orginal Babcock decision would have resulted in the Plaintiff having the case heard under Assvile law, but since then NY has modified the Babcock ruling and gone with NewMeyer test. Newmeyer test is the second cousin of the Blockberger test who says that state must be interested or else it doesn't give a shit in the litigation.

Also We will apply Putnam scrutiny to the defendant since he seems like a real dick

I love this so much.

[PennBull]

I'm just gonna rephrase it to "Bab's Cock"

[VulcanVulcanVulcan]

Sorry if this was discussed earlier, but is there a consensus on the difficulty of the Simulated Final Exam? I had been doing pretty well on a string of the Mixed Sets, hitting 70-80% on each, but then absolutely bombed the Simulated Final Exam like it was Dresden. (Sorry if that was in poor taste.)

Should I be concerned?

[pizzasodafries]

Someone sent me a document with all the Barbri Shorthands on one document. Here are my favorites that actually help!

Crim KBRF (Kobe Bryant Rapes Females) General Intent Crimes in NY:
Kidnapping
Battery
Rape
False Imprisonment



Dom Rel NDFMPI
(Notre Dame Football Makes Perfect Interceptions)
Grounds for Annulment:
Nonage
Duress
Fraud
Mental Incapacity
Physical Incapacity
Incurable Insanity – 5 years


NY Practice NFL
Affirmative Defenses Never Waived:
Nonjoinder of nec. Party
Failure to state a claim
Lack of SMJ

Property VPA – Vagina penis asshole (my favorite)
Types of Waste:
Voluntary
Permissive
Ameliorative

Trusts SDPTBILV – Sally despises penis taste but I love vagina
Creation of a Trust:
Settlor
Delivery
Property
Trustee
Beneficiary
Intent
Lawful purpose
Validly executed

[belowthelaw57]

Sorry if this was discussed earlier, but is there a consensus on the difficulty of the Simulated Final Exam? I had been doing pretty well on a string of the Mixed Sets, hitting 70-80% on each, but then absolutely bombed the Simulated Final Exam like it was Dresden. (Sorry if that was in poor taste.)

Should I be concerned?

60% is average. So it's harder than the real bar exam, where the average is about 67%. It's easier than the simulated MBE, where the avg was 113/200, or 56.5%.

[pizzasodafries]

Sorry if this was discussed earlier, but is there a consensus on the difficulty of the Simulated Final Exam? I had been doing pretty well on a string of the Mixed Sets, hitting 70-80% on each, but then absolutely bombed the Simulated Final Exam like it was Dresden. (Sorry if that was in poor taste.)

Should I be concerned?

NO, Barbri says average was 60. Half the questions were super tricky questions that had multiple good options for the correct answer. MBE they told us won't have two answers where one was 95% good and the other 90%

Don't sweat it, I was told from people who passed last year Barbri just fucks with us, mixed set is more in line with what we will expect

[TrustMeI'mAnActress]

Sorry if this was discussed earlier, but is there a consensus on the difficulty of the Simulated Final Exam? I had been doing pretty well on a string of the Mixed Sets, hitting 70-80% on each, but then absolutely bombed the Simulated Final Exam like it was Dresden. (Sorry if that was in poor taste.)

Should I be concerned?

NO, Barbri says average was 60. Half the questions were super tricky questions that had multiple good options for the correct answer. MBE they told us won't have two answers where one was 95% good and the other 90%

Don't sweat it, I was told from people who passed last year Barbri just fucks with us, mixed set is more in line with what we will expect

If the mixed sets really are more in line with what we should expect, I will be a happy camper!

[VulcanVulcanVulcan]

Sorry if this was discussed earlier, but is there a consensus on the difficulty of the Simulated Final Exam? I had been doing pretty well on a string of the Mixed Sets, hitting 70-80% on each, but then absolutely bombed the Simulated Final Exam like it was Dresden. (Sorry if that was in poor taste.)

Should I be concerned?

NO, Barbri says average was 60. Half the questions were super tricky questions that had multiple good options for the correct answer. MBE they told us won't have two answers where one was 95% good and the other 90%

Don't sweat it, I was told from people who passed last year Barbri just fucks with us, mixed set is more in line with what we will expect

Okay. I mean, I scored well below 60 and actually lower than the simulated exam (the 200-question thing we did in class earlier in the summer), which I find absolutely ridiculous.

[PennBull]

Someone sent me a document with all the Barbri Shorthands on one document. Here are my favorites that actually help!

Crim KBRF (Kobe Bryant Rapes Females) General Intent Crimes in NY:
Kidnapping
Battery
Rape
False Imprisonment



Dom Rel NDFMPI
(Notre Dame Football Makes Perfect Interceptions)
Grounds for Annulment:
Nonage
Duress
Fraud
Mental Incapacity
Physical Incapacity
Incurable Insanity – 5 years


NY Practice NFL
Affirmative Defenses Never Waived:
Nonjoinder of nec. Party
Failure to state a claim
Lack of SMJ

Property VPA – Vagina penis asshole (my favorite)
Types of Waste:
Voluntary
Permissive
Ameliorative

Trusts SDPTBILV – Sally despises penis taste but I love vagina
Creation of a Trust:
Settlor
Delivery
Property
Trustee
Beneficiary
Intent
Lawful purpose
Validly executed

180

[HOV]

Someone sent me a document with all the Barbri Shorthands on one document. Here are my favorites that actually help!

Crim KBRF (Kobe Bryant Rapes Females) General Intent Crimes in NY:
Kidnapping
Battery
Rape
False Imprisonment



Dom Rel NDFMPI
(Notre Dame Football Makes Perfect Interceptions)
Grounds for Annulment:
Nonage
Duress
Fraud
Mental Incapacity
Physical Incapacity
Incurable Insanity – 5 years


NY Practice NFL
Affirmative Defenses Never Waived:
Nonjoinder of nec. Party
Failure to state a claim
Lack of SMJ

Property VPA – Vagina penis asshole (my favorite)
Types of Waste:
Voluntary
Permissive
Ameliorative

Trusts SDPTBILV – Sally despises penis taste but I love vagina
Creation of a Trust:
Settlor
Delivery
Property
Trustee
Beneficiary
Intent
Lawful purpose
Validly executed

lmfao

Note: my 69th post. somehow just seems fitting.

[thetashster]

Someone sent me a document with all the Barbri Shorthands on one document. Here are my favorites that actually help!

Crim KBRF (Kobe Bryant Rapes Females) General Intent Crimes in NY:
Kidnapping
Battery
Rape
False Imprisonment



Dom Rel NDFMPI
(Notre Dame Football Makes Perfect Interceptions)
Grounds for Annulment:
Nonage
Duress
Fraud
Mental Incapacity
Physical Incapacity
Incurable Insanity – 5 years


NY Practice NFL
Affirmative Defenses Never Waived:
Nonjoinder of nec. Party
Failure to state a claim
Lack of SMJ

Property VPA – Vagina penis asshole (my favorite)
Types of Waste:
Voluntary
Permissive
Ameliorative

Trusts SDPTBILV – Sally despises penis taste but I love vagina
Creation of a Trust:
Settlor
Delivery
Property
Trustee
Beneficiary
Intent
Lawful purpose
Validly executed

this is brilliant. and i'm probably gonna end up writing vagina on the exam somewhere.

[pizzasodafries]

Someone sent me a document with all the Barbri Shorthands on one document. Here are my favorites that actually help!

Crim KBRF (Kobe Bryant Rapes Females) General Intent Crimes in NY:
Kidnapping
Battery
Rape
False Imprisonment



Dom Rel NDFMPI
(Notre Dame Football Makes Perfect Interceptions)
Grounds for Annulment:
Nonage
Duress
Fraud
Mental Incapacity
Physical Incapacity
Incurable Insanity – 5 years


NY Practice NFL
Affirmative Defenses Never Waived:
Nonjoinder of nec. Party
Failure to state a claim
Lack of SMJ

Property VPA – Vagina penis asshole (my favorite)
Types of Waste:
Voluntary
Permissive
Ameliorative

Trusts SDPTBILV – Sally despises penis taste but I love vagina
Creation of a Trust:
Settlor
Delivery
Property
Trustee
Beneficiary
Intent
Lawful purpose
Validly executed

this is brilliant. and i'm probably gonna end up writing vagina on the exam somewhere.

What's funny is that using dirty words makes it easier to remember. I should have thought of clever acronyms for every subject

[AJS30]

Someone sent me a document with all the Barbri Shorthands on one document. Here are my favorites that actually help!

Crim KBRF (Kobe Bryant Rapes Females) General Intent Crimes in NY:
Kidnapping
Battery
Rape
False Imprisonment



Dom Rel NDFMPI
(Notre Dame Football Makes Perfect Interceptions)
Grounds for Annulment:
Nonage
Duress
Fraud
Mental Incapacity
Physical Incapacity
Incurable Insanity – 5 years


NY Practice NFL
Affirmative Defenses Never Waived:
Nonjoinder of nec. Party
Failure to state a claim
Lack of SMJ

Property VPA – Vagina penis asshole (my favorite)
Types of Waste:
Voluntary
Permissive
Ameliorative

Trusts SDPTBILV – Sally despises penis taste but I love vagina
Creation of a Trust:
Settlor
Delivery
Property
Trustee
Beneficiary
Intent
Lawful purpose
Validly executed

this is brilliant. and i'm probably gonna end up writing vagina on the exam somewhere.

What's funny is that using dirty words makes it easier to remember. I should have thought of clever acronyms for every subject

I've always remembered the elements of Adverse Possession by: A Hoe On Every Corner ( Actual Entry, Hostility, Open & notorious, Exclusivity & Continuity)

[Guchster]

I've always remembered the elements of Adverse Possession by: A Hoe On Every Corner ( Actual Entry, Hostility, Open & notorious, Exclusivity & Continuity)

LOL that is amazing (and they can even AP it if they stay there long enough...)

[lilyorchid]

I've always remembered the elements of Adverse Possession by: A Hoe On Every Corner ( Actual Entry, Hostility, Open & notorious, Exclusivity & Continuity)

LOL that is amazing (and they can even AP it if they stay there long enough...)

Wow. That's hilarious. For some reason I've always used COAH for that and it somehow works even though it's not a real word.

The SFE was really hard and painful to do (I just had to laugh at some of the obscure questions and fine distinctions in there), but I ultimately wound up with a 71%, which is an improvement over my simulated MBE score of 61%. I did way worse on the second half of the SFE, did anyone else have that? I wonder if I was getting tired or something, but only checking it over will tell. Which is work for tomorrow. I suspect, though, that I was just getting some ridiculous questions wrong and making maybe 2-3 careless errors. Which is fine. Also my errors were evenly split except for Con Law, where I got just two wrong, compared to 5-6 for the rest.

I really do need to actually practice writing out essays now, though. Which is perhaps the only thing worse that a practice MBE session.

[PennBull]

Yeah I am not doing the shitty SFE when I have a billion other things I can actually learn so my essays can have actually substance

[legalbeagle56]

PSA: I'm not sure if this was already suggested in this thread, but, if you have the money to spend, I highly recommend buying one of the NCBE's 100-question practice MBE exams (they're $50). It is worth the money for the boost in confidence alone. I did a little over half of the first set this morning, and the questions were much kinder and easier than Barbri's questions. It also provides you with a scaled score, explanations, and how you compare to the average for each subject. I believe it is a much better way to spend your time in the last couple days than doing ridiculous Barbri questions that will only make you doubt yourself.

[TrustMeI'mAnActress]

PSA: I'm not sure if this was already suggested in this thread, but, if you have the money to spend, I highly recommend buying one of the NCBE's 100-question practice MBE exams (they're $50). It is worth the money for the boost in confidence alone. I did a little over half of the first set this morning, and the questions were much kinder and easier than Barbri's questions. It also provides you with a scaled score, explanations, and how you compare to the average for each subject. I believe it is a much better way to spend your time in the last couple days than doing ridiculous Barbri questions that will only make you doubt yourself.

After doing the NCBE questions, would you say they're somewhat similar to the Barbri Mixed Sets as far as level of difficulty/length?

[legalbeagle56]

PSA: I'm not sure if this was already suggested in this thread, but, if you have the money to spend, I highly recommend buying one of the NCBE's 100-question practice MBE exams (they're $50). It is worth the money for the boost in confidence alone. I did a little over half of the first set this morning, and the questions were much kinder and easier than Barbri's questions. It also provides you with a scaled score, explanations, and how you compare to the average for each subject. I believe it is a much better way to spend your time in the last couple days than doing ridiculous Barbri questions that will only make you doubt yourself.

After doing the NCBE questions, would you say they're somewhat similar to the Barbri Mixed Sets as far as level of difficulty/length?

The percent that I got correct has been about the same for both the NCBE questions and the Mixed Sets, but I would say that the NCBE questions are slightly easier in that they are shorter on average. But out of anything Barbri has given us, the Mixed Sets definitely come the closest to the NCBE questions.

[TrustMeI'mAnActress]

PSA: I'm not sure if this was already suggested in this thread, but, if you have the money to spend, I highly recommend buying one of the NCBE's 100-question practice MBE exams (they're $50). It is worth the money for the boost in confidence alone. I did a little over half of the first set this morning, and the questions were much kinder and easier than Barbri's questions. It also provides you with a scaled score, explanations, and how you compare to the average for each subject. I believe it is a much better way to spend your time in the last couple days than doing ridiculous Barbri questions that will only make you doubt yourself.

After doing the NCBE questions, would you say they're somewhat similar to the Barbri Mixed Sets as far as level of difficulty/length?

The percent that I got correct has been about the same for both the NCBE questions and the Mixed Sets, but I would say that the NCBE questions are slightly easier in that they are shorter on average. But out of anything Barbri has given us, the Mixed Sets definitely come the closest to the NCBE questions.

Awesome - thank you!

[belowthelaw57]

Does anyone know what the mens rea is for a "general intent" crime in New York? According to CMR and lecture, there's purposeful, knowing, reckless and negligent.

Under common law it's easy. You say kidnapping is a "general intent" crime, and voluntary intoxication is not a defense. What do you say in New York? Does this mean the mens rea for kidnapping is negligence or recklessness? That does not sound right at all.

[lawyerwannabe]

Does anyone know what the mens rea is for a "general intent" crime in New York? According to CMR and lecture, there's purposeful, knowing, reckless and negligent.

Under common law it's easy. You say kidnapping is a "general intent" crime, and voluntary intoxication is not a defense. What do you say in New York? Does this mean the mens rea for kidnapping is negligence or recklessness? That does not sound right at all.

From my outline, I have that general intent crimes can be proven by showing the D acted with a purposeful (which in NY is intentionally), reckless or criminally negligent MR. That's the general rule, IIRC, from the MPC (which NY adopted its MR from) when a statute is silent as to MR but carries the possibility of a jail sentence. HTH.

[belowthelaw57]

Does anyone know what the mens rea is for a "general intent" crime in New York? According to CMR and lecture, there's purposeful, knowing, reckless and negligent.

Under common law it's easy. You say kidnapping is a "general intent" crime, and voluntary intoxication is not a defense. What do you say in New York? Does this mean the mens rea for kidnapping is negligence or recklessness? That does not sound right at all.

From my outline, I have that general intent crimes can be proven by showing the D acted with a purposeful (which in NY is intentionally), reckless or criminally negligent MR. That's the general rule, IIRC, from the MPC (which NY adopted its MR from) when a statute is silent as to MR but carries the possibility of a jail sentence. HTH.

I've noticed a lot of examinee answers just use common law mental states anyway. If we get a question on voluntary intoxication we're supposed to say defendant has the requisite mens rea, because he committed a crime and the crime is silent as to mens rea, so therefore voluntary intoxication is a defense? General/Specific sounds a lot easier to explain in an answer.

[lawyerwannabe]

Questions that have been lingering in my mind: why does the july administration have a higher pass rate than the February administration if everything is supposedly scaled and what are essays scaled to (i.e. what is the median and the general range of essay score outside of which it would be tough to score)?

I want to reassure myself that as long as I know concepts and most of the rules, my essays will receive fine scores . . .

[thetashster]

Questions that have been lingering in my mind: why does the july administration have a higher pass rate than the February administration if everything is supposedly scaled and what are essays scaled to (i.e. what is the median and the general range of essay score outside of which it would be tough to score)?

I want to reassure myself that as long as I know concepts and most of the rules, my essays will receive fine scores . . .

i also did research on this! so one thing they say is that there are more people retaking it in february. also, it's cold. also, it tends to be more people who are working. plus in july, you have a lot of recent grads. so that ups the numbers. and you have people who have the summer off to do it.