February 2016 California Bar Exam Forum

[Raiden]

Question regarding July 2015 Q5 - Corporations/Professional Responsibility problem:

The first question ask's about D's remedies against other directors and shareholders, I went into a discussion defenses such as corporation to avoid personal liability, and independent business judgment rule. Yet none of the model answers have that, neither to top scoring essays from bar essays either. So if the call of the question just asks for remedies from one party perspective or the arguments that party could make, do we not look into the counter arguments? I feel for essays that if you list issues the bar graders are not looking for, you will be doc'd points, so even if an issue seems relevant...you should be careful if the facts really warrant them.

[rcharter1978]

Anyone else feel like their brain is just going to spill over? It's not even stress really. I'm afraid if I try to cram one more thing into my head I'm going to lose everything.

I feel like my brain is a colander, and the information is water. It feels like its coming out pretty quickly as soon as I pour it in.

[hkoas]

Question regarding July 2015 Q5 - Corporations/Professional Responsibility problem:

The first question ask's about D's remedies against other directors and shareholders, I went into a discussion defenses such as corporation to avoid personal liability, and independent business judgment rule. Yet none of the model answers have that, neither to top scoring essays from bar essays either. So if the call of the question just asks for remedies from one party perspective or the arguments that party could make, do we not look into the counter arguments? I feel for essays that if you list issues the bar graders are not looking for, you will be doc'd points, so even if an issue seems relevant...you should be careful if the facts really warrant them.

Would have done exactly what you did. But looking at the call of the question again in light of your experience, they are not asking for defenses. I guess rather than a detailed discussion, one subheading discussing potential defenses?

[rcharter1978]

My predictions:

Business Association may show up
Community Property may show up
Civil Procedure (federal or CA -- hot potato!) may show up
Constitutional Law may show up
Contracts may show up
Criminal Law may show up
Criminal Procedure may show up
Evidence (federal or CA) may show up
Professional Responsibility (ABA and/or CA) may show up
Real Property may show up
Remedies may show up
Torts may show up
Wills & Trusts may show up
Crossovers of any of the above may show up

If California evidence shows up, I'm going to fake a heart attack. Its going to be loud and ugly, so I apologize in advance to those of you in Ontario.

This might help if you're confused about how to approach Evidence, CA or otherwise:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyn0tzn6vek1j ... e.pdf?dl=0

At least one of the Prop 8 exceptions (CRIM cases) usually applies, making evidence inadmissible

gl

Hi -- I know its late in the game to ask, but do you have any more of these sheets. I really like the set up and that they are very short. Either way, thanks for the evidence one I just printed it out.

[Raiden]

Question regarding July 2015 Q5 - Corporations/Professional Responsibility problem:

The first question ask's about D's remedies against other directors and shareholders, I went into a discussion defenses such as corporation to avoid personal liability, and independent business judgment rule. Yet none of the model answers have that, neither to top scoring essays from bar essays either. So if the call of the question just asks for remedies from one party perspective or the arguments that party could make, do we not look into the counter arguments? I feel for essays that if you list issues the bar graders are not looking for, you will be doc'd points, so even if an issue seems relevant...you should be careful if the facts really warrant them.

Would have done exactly what you did. But looking at the call of the question again in light of your experience, they are not asking for defenses. I guess rather than a detailed discussion, one subheading discussing potential defenses?

I feel the answers were focused on duty of loyaty, duty of care, pierce corp veil, but if you mention those issues, how can you not bring up independent business judgement rule for directors and valid corporation for shareholders?

[Clark Griswold]

Question regarding July 2015 Q5 - Corporations/Professional Responsibility problem:

The first question ask's about D's remedies against other directors and shareholders, I went into a discussion defenses such as corporation to avoid personal liability, and independent business judgment rule. Yet none of the model answers have that, neither to top scoring essays from bar essays either. So if the call of the question just asks for remedies from one party perspective or the arguments that party could make, do we not look into the counter arguments? I feel for essays that if you list issues the bar graders are not looking for, you will be doc'd points, so even if an issue seems relevant...you should be careful if the facts really warrant them.

Would have done exactly what you did. But looking at the call of the question again in light of your experience, they are not asking for defenses. I guess rather than a detailed discussion, one subheading discussing potential defenses?

I feel the answers were focused on duty of loyaty, duty of care, pierce corp veil, but if you mention those issues, how can you not bring up independent business judgement rule for directors and valid corporation for shareholders?

I passed in July so I don't know my score on the corp essay but I had a pretty lengthy discussion of defenses as well. Especially BJR.

[BrokenMouse]

Question regarding July 2015 Q5 - Corporations/Professional Responsibility problem:

The first question ask's about D's remedies against other directors and shareholders, I went into a discussion defenses such as corporation to avoid personal liability, and independent business judgment rule. Yet none of the model answers have that, neither to top scoring essays from bar essays either. So if the call of the question just asks for remedies from one party perspective or the arguments that party could make, do we not look into the counter arguments? I feel for essays that if you list issues the bar graders are not looking for, you will be doc'd points, so even if an issue seems relevant...you should be careful if the facts really warrant them.

Would have done exactly what you did. But looking at the call of the question again in light of your experience, they are not asking for defenses. I guess rather than a detailed discussion, one subheading discussing potential defenses?

I feel the answers were focused on duty of loyaty, duty of care, pierce corp veil, but if you mention those issues, how can you not bring up independent business judgement rule for directors and valid corporation for shareholders?

I passed in July so I don't know my score on the corp essay but I had a pretty lengthy discussion of defenses as well. Especially BJR.

I got a 65 on the corp essay july 2015. I basically talked about duties of the directors, closed corporation - duty not to oppress, liabilities etc. I did also discuss BJR.

[a male human]

My predictions:

Business Association may show up
Community Property may show up
Civil Procedure (federal or CA -- hot potato!) may show up
Constitutional Law may show up
Contracts may show up
Criminal Law may show up
Criminal Procedure may show up
Evidence (federal or CA) may show up
Professional Responsibility (ABA and/or CA) may show up
Real Property may show up
Remedies may show up
Torts may show up
Wills & Trusts may show up
Crossovers of any of the above may show up

If California evidence shows up, I'm going to fake a heart attack. Its going to be loud and ugly, so I apologize in advance to those of you in Ontario.

This might help if you're confused about how to approach Evidence, CA or otherwise:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyn0tzn6vek1j ... e.pdf?dl=0

At least one of the Prop 8 exceptions (CRIM cases) usually applies, making evidence inadmissible

gl

Hi -- I know its late in the game to ask, but do you have any more of these sheets. I really like the set up and that they are very short. Either way, thanks for the evidence one I just printed it out.

PM'd you

[BrokenMouse]

2 more days

[storge]

hey in ontario is there an area where you can just throw all your stuff against the wall like there is in pasadena?

also, just in case it comes up on the essays- can anyone just name off a list of all the fundamental rights? thanks

Yes, we were able to leave things out in the hallway against the wall in Ontario. Can anyone confirm the same for Oakland?

[MrMustache]

hey in ontario is there an area where you can just throw all your stuff against the wall like there is in pasadena?

also, just in case it comes up on the essays- can anyone just name off a list of all the fundamental rights? thanks

Yes, we were able to leave things out in the hallway against the wall in Ontario. Can anyone confirm the same for Oakland?

Can confirm for Oakland. There were a lot of backpacks in that area, including mine. There also seemed to be at least one person watching our stuff. Overall, I didn't feel worried about getting anything stolen.

Can anyone confirm same for San Diego?

[BrokenMouse]

I feel... OK again after freaking out last night. Is this the first symptom of bipolar disorder?

[vaalbert]

hey in ontario is there an area where you can just throw all your stuff against the wall like there is in pasadena?

also, just in case it comes up on the essays- can anyone just name off a list of all the fundamental rights? thanks

Yes, we were able to leave things out in the hallway against the wall in Ontario. Can anyone confirm the same for Oakland?

Can confirm for Oakland. There were a lot of backpacks in that area, including mine. There also seemed to be at least one person watching our stuff. Overall, I didn't feel worried about getting anything stolen.

Can anyone confirm same for San Diego?

Same for San Diego Convention last July. This exam is at Town & Country (the old convention center) though, right?

[MrMustache]

hey in ontario is there an area where you can just throw all your stuff against the wall like there is in pasadena?

also, just in case it comes up on the essays- can anyone just name off a list of all the fundamental rights? thanks

Yes, we were able to leave things out in the hallway against the wall in Ontario. Can anyone confirm the same for Oakland?

Can confirm for Oakland. There were a lot of backpacks in that area, including mine. There also seemed to be at least one person watching our stuff. Overall, I didn't feel worried about getting anything stolen.

Can anyone confirm same for San Diego?

Same for San Diego Convention last July. This exam is at Town & Country (the old convention center) though, right?

Yeah, it'll be at Town & Country.

[BrokenMouse]

How many MBEs have you guys done? I feel like I've spent disproportionate amount of time into essays and I still don't feel 100% on the essays. Maybe I am not supposed to.

[FinallyPassedTheBar]

How many MBEs have you guys done? I feel like I've spent disproportionate amount of time into essays and I still don't feel 100% on the essays. Maybe I am not supposed to.

I've done 2450 all on adaptibar. But only 1700 of those were original questions, the rest repeats. I think I may have done too much MBE and not enough essay/PT. If MBE was 50% weighted in CA like other states, I would be less stressed

[BrokenMouse]

How many MBEs have you guys done? I feel like I've spent disproportionate amount of time into essays and I still don't feel 100% on the essays. Maybe I am not supposed to.

I've done 2450 all on adaptibar. But only 1700 of those were original questions, the rest repeats. I think I may have done too much MBE and not enough essay/PT. If MBE was 50% weighted in CA like other states, I would be less stressed

Are you taking CA or other jrx?

[FinallyPassedTheBar]

Are you taking CA or other jrx?

CA (Sacramento)

[Zaizei]

How many MBEs have you guys done? I feel like I've spent disproportionate amount of time into essays and I still don't feel 100% on the essays. Maybe I am not supposed to.

2400 aprox

[BrokenMouse]

how much essay prep have you guys done? I'd figure more ppl would prep for essay for CA bar than other jrx.

[Zaizei]

how much essay prep have you guys done? I'd figure more ppl would prep for essay for CA bar than other jrx.

I think I've done 60 full essays and 50 just outlining.

[BrokenMouse]

how much essay prep have you guys done? I'd figure more ppl would prep for essay for CA bar than other jrx.

I think I've done 60 full essays and 50 just outlining.

Dayum. So you basically did most of the barbri essays in the essay book and probably did more from baressays.com?

[Zaizei]

how much essay prep have you guys done? I'd figure more ppl would prep for essay for CA bar than other jrx.

I think I've done 60 full essays and 50 just outlining.

Dayum. So you basically did most of the barbri essays in the essay book and probably did more from baressays.com?

Nope. I have a private tutor. I think Barbri is good to learn the law, but to practice is better to get someone who actually grades each of the essays you do (also the PTs) as well as provides realiable MBE questions.

[FinallyPassedTheBar]

how much essay prep have you guys done? I'd figure more ppl would prep for essay for CA bar than other jrx.

I think I've done 60 full essays and 50 just outlining.

I envy your determination!!

[MrMustache]

I feel like I've spent too much time trying to memorize the outlines. Now it feels like my memory is shaky and I haven't practiced enough essays/PTs