Barbri paced program question? Forum

[jd20132013]

i'm getting really suspicious about that paced program arrow.

seems like i've been checking off a lot of things lately and its moving slower than it was when i was checking off less. maybe they fix it so that you never fully catch up?

[ap1987]

I got 97 on barbri sim mbe
my percentile rank is 18

Should I give up or what?


I took NCBE previous test after and got 65% right with a time crunch. Am I the only who who is slow with ready on papers compared to computer or ipad?

I appreciate any positive tip that can help.

Here is a quote from my previous professor who is a Barbri NY instructor:

"Sim MBE Exam -- please do not get crazy about your score. I have seen students with raw scores as low as 80, buckle down, and end up with a 148 on the MBE. Look for careless errors! It's been my experience that because it's not the "real exam," (although a a very good experience,) your brain is not in overdrive and I generally have found that 10 -20% are just purely careless (which will not happen on "game-day.")"

Also, not all the results are in yet. I am still waiting for my results and percentile, as are a lot of other people who took the exam in NY so your percentile rank will change.

Cheers man.

[bigstumpdriver]

Anyone else in our little club just drinking today? n

EDIT: 8 hours of drinking and iave somewho got studying done during it. Looks like I CAN multitask haha

[jd20132013]

its just so hard to tell how you're doing on the state essays. the barbri model answers are, of course, model answers. I'm pretty sure a straight median performance on my state's essays will get me since I am cautiously optimistic as to MBE.

Still waiting to get my essays back from Barbri but I'm not sure how much if any weight to give what I get on those since they're known to give you bad scores just to scare you.

I know states will vary, but does anyone think that, at least for their state, an answer that identifies all the main issues and writes something about them will get median?

[pizzasodafries]

On the new York exam, will we have 3 hours to do each of the 100 mbe questions, or we can do them all over 6 hours of testing that day?

Also same question about the NY part of the exam, can we go back to earlier essays after the lunch break?

[Stringer6]

On the new York exam, will we have 3 hours to do each of the 100 mbe questions, or we can do them all over 6 hours of testing that day?

Also same question about the NY part of the exam, can we go back to earlier essays after the lunch break?

No.

If you could go back, you could talk about answers at lunch.

[At the Drive-In]

i'm getting really suspicious about that paced program arrow.

seems like i've been checking off a lot of things lately and its moving slower than it was when i was checking off less. maybe they fix it so that you never fully catch up?

From past years, it seems that people were checking EVERYTHING off and still not "on pace."

its just so hard to tell how you're doing on the state essays. the barbri model answers are, of course, model answers. I'm pretty sure a straight median performance on my state's essays will get me since I am cautiously optimistic as to MBE.

Still waiting to get my essays back from Barbri but I'm not sure how much if any weight to give what I get on those since they're known to give you bad scores just to scare you.

I know states will vary, but does anyone think that, at least for their state, an answer that identifies all the main issues and writes something about them will get median?

The sample answers are maddening to me. On one hand, some of them seem to be concocted with the same level of bullshit as I would have when writing them, and everything is supposed to be "passing" but not necessarily perfect. but there are some answers which are of such staggering quality that it discourages me because I wasn't even close.

[pizzasodafries]

On the new York exam, will we have 3 hours to do each of the 100 mbe questions, or we can do them all over 6 hours of testing that day?

Also same question about the NY part of the exam, can we go back to earlier essays after the lunch break?

No.

If you could go back, you could talk about answers at lunch.

That's what I was thinking, but I didn't know for sure if this was the case. Thanks.

[Helpful]

its just so hard to tell how you're doing on the state essays. the barbri model answers are, of course, model answers. I'm pretty sure a straight median performance on my state's essays will get me since I am cautiously optimistic as to MBE.

Still waiting to get my essays back from Barbri but I'm not sure how much if any weight to give what I get on those since they're known to give you bad scores just to scare you.

I know states will vary, but does anyone think that, at least for their state, an answer that identifies all the main issues and writes something about them will get median?

This is annoying me as well. In a 40% MBE state, you can have a pretty good MBE and the essays can still cost you. It's be nice to have model answers correlating with various raw/scaled scores rather than just one "perfect" answer. For a lot of these standards and rule statements I may end up just roughly approximating them, because I'm not sure I can memorize it all.

[jaydizzle]

Can someone point me to where the real MBE questions are for Barbri?

[bigstumpdriver]

Can someone point me to where the real MBE questions are for Barbri?

[LouEVille]

Always wondered why people talked about struggling to keep up with the paced program until the past week or so.

There's no way in the world I can memorize an entire subject in one morning by skimming the CMR and/or going over handouts. That seems to be the goal, though. Noooooope.

[ditch digger]

Can we go ahead and make this thread the Summer 2014 Barbri Hangout?

[bigstumpdriver]

I think so too. Can't memroize all of this in a day or two days

But then again I drank enough gin mixed with kahula to kill a cow today.

[jd20132013]

Can we go ahead and make this thread the Summer 2014 Barbri Hangout?

sounds good to me

[At the Drive-In]

Always wondered why people talked about struggling to keep up with the paced program until the past week or so.

There's no way in the world I can memorize an entire subject in one morning by skimming the CMR and/or going over handouts. That seems to be the goal, though. Noooooope.

I am buckling down on MBE questions and the most frequent essay topics in this state (Family Law, Business Organizations, Comm Paper/Stransactions, Torts, and Property) and am just going to hope I can fill my head without enough random black letter law to finagle my way through the others.

[july14bar]

What is "good enough" for essays (approximately)? Is it the kind of thing where you can get a passing score even after making educated guesses about the BLL for half of the issues? Or am I just completely screwed?

[LouEVille]

Always wondered why people talked about struggling to keep up with the paced program until the past week or so.

There's no way in the world I can memorize an entire subject in one morning by skimming the CMR and/or going over handouts. That seems to be the goal, though. Noooooope.

I am buckling down on MBE questions and the most frequent essay topics in this state (Family Law, Business Organizations, Comm Paper/Stransactions, Torts, and Property) and am just going to hope I can fill my head without enough random black letter law to finagle my way through the others.

Are you in a state that more heavily weights the MBE? I wish I could take that approach, but in my state you have to separately pass the MBE and the essay portion. So my approach is more just memorizing for most of the day, then outlining/reading a couple essays and doing 30-40 MBES per night.

On a side note, where are people finding the most frequently tested subjects in their states? I've heard stuff by word of mouth, but I can't find any hard evidence anywhere online besides what the MEE has tested.

[northwood]

On the new York exam, will we have 3 hours to do each of the 100 mbe questions, or we can do them all over 6 hours of testing that day?

Also same question about the NY part of the exam, can we go back to earlier essays after the lunch break?

you have 3 hours to do 100 MC questions in the AM session, will turn them in, go to lunch, come back get a new booklet and scantron and have 3 hours to do another set of 100 MC questions.


as for essay day you have 3horus and 15 mintutes to do 50 NYMC?'s in the am, and write 3 essays. you then turn them in and go to lunch, and will not have an opportunity to go back once they call TIME. in the afternoon you get 3 hours to do 3 essays and 1 MPT. once they call time, you stop writing/ typing.

[The Egyptian]

I think founding fathers, and mothers, will be really confused if they have a BARBRI account.

[ZyzzBrah]

On a side note, where are people finding the most frequently tested subjects in their states? I've heard stuff by word of mouth, but I can't find any hard evidence anywhere online besides what the MEE has tested.

If you're signed up for barbri-->
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It'll have a frequency chart for each state (however, you can only see info for the state for which you're registered)

[El Pollito]

What is "good enough" for essays (approximately)? Is it the kind of thing where you can get a passing score even after making educated guesses about the BLL for half of the issues? Or am I just completely screwed?

For my second bar exam, I made up most of the BLL and just applied it correctly and I was fine.

[pkt63]

What is "good enough" for essays (approximately)? Is it the kind of thing where you can get a passing score even after making educated guesses about the BLL for half of the issues? Or am I just completely screwed?

For my second bar exam, I made up most of the BLL and just applied it correctly and I was fine.

So to what do you attribute your success primarily? Good orderly IRAC structure with clear headings and short sentences? Seems like I see this as a common corrective, but not sure.

If so, then I'm thinking I should be writing out essays a lot more than just outlining by issue spotting and writing rules. That seems like the hard part, because I have so few rules memorized, but I'm now wondering if I'm fooling myself that I would have put good headlines, subheadlines and written out short and concise sentences. And even if I did write the essay out fully, that's still a much harder thing to judge than whether I recited the rule correctly or not.

[El Pollito]

What is "good enough" for essays (approximately)? Is it the kind of thing where you can get a passing score even after making educated guesses about the BLL for half of the issues? Or am I just completely screwed?

For my second bar exam, I made up most of the BLL and just applied it correctly and I was fine.

So to what do you attribute your success primarily? Good orderly IRAC structure with clear headings and short sentences? Seems like I see this as a common corrective, but not sure.

If so, then I'm thinking I should be writing out essays a lot more than just outlining by issue spotting and writing rules. That seems like the hard part, because I have so few rules memorized, but I'm now wondering if I'm fooling myself that I would have put good headlines, subheadlines and written out short and concise sentences. And even if I did write the essay out fully, that's still a much harder thing to judge than whether I recited the rule correctly or not.

I relied heavily on underlined issue headings and discrete sections for each issue, like you said, since you get points for issue spotting and you don't usually need to have the BLL down to spot issues. I'm guessing my writing and analysis were relatively good, even when the rules were wrong. I also focused very heavily on MBE topics the first time around, so I was able to competently answer non-state questions. I'd focus on making issue outlines and drilling rules from model answers, but I've always thought writing entire essays out was a complete waste of time unless finishing on time is a concern.

[LAWYER2]

Is anyone completing the Barbri Amp Refreshers? I can't help but to think this may not be the best use of time under the paced program.