BarBri - NY Exam - July 2014 Forum

[AJS30]

Does anyone know how long it takes to get back a graded essay?

[plath]

Just go my graded essay back.

Anybody know what is the scale they use?
Also do you guys also have like 2-3 assignment in you pace program these days? I always had like 5-6, seems like a real decrease all of a sudden

[AJS30]

Just go my graded essay back.

Anybody know what is the scale they use?
Also do you guys also have like 2-3 assignment in you pace program these days? I always had like 5-6, seems like a real decrease all of a sudden

I could be wrong but I think it's out of 100 and that a fine score on an essay is between a 5-6 (so i'm guessing 50-60 on their scale).

I really haven't had assignments the last two days ( but have an MPT due tomorrow) & haven't been doing the AMPs, but doing supplemental MBE questions.

My concern right now is that I still do not feel comfortable with any topic that we've covered, especially Evidence & feel like I don't have the time to go back....

[uvauvauva]

[belowthelaw57]

Does Barbri give us any tips on memorization or do they think we'll just magically memorize the material? They tell us to do everything the way we used to in law school. I never had to memorize for law school, especially not 20 topics.

For NY topics do we memorize just by doing lots of practice essays? Is flash cards/outlining/condensing handouts a necessity? I know it's early and this is looking ahead a little but still.

[5ky]

Does Barbri give us any tips on memorization or do they think we'll just magically memorize the material? They tell us to do everything the way we used to in law school. I never had to memorize for law school, especially not 20 topics.

For NY topics do we memorize just by doing lots of practice essays? Is flash cards/outlining/condensing handouts a necessity? I know it's early and this is looking ahead a little but still.

They give minimal advice here because people memorize in different ways. You just have to figure out what's best for you. Maybe straight repetition in essays, maybe flashcards, maybe writing your own outlines, maybe just memorizing the CMR. Totally dependent on the individual.

I made my own outlines and memorized those for most subjects, because that's what I did for law school, and then just straight up memorized the lecture handouts for the rest (which I did not have time to outline myself). I rarely used the CMR. Yours might be the complete opposite.

[AJS30]

Does Barbri give us any tips on memorization or do they think we'll just magically memorize the material? They tell us to do everything the way we used to in law school. I never had to memorize for law school, especially not 20 topics.

For NY topics do we memorize just by doing lots of practice essays? Is flash cards/outlining/condensing handouts a necessity? I know it's early and this is looking ahead a little but still.

They give minimal advice here because people memorize in different ways. You just have to figure out what's best for you. Maybe straight repetition in essays, maybe flashcards, maybe writing your own outlines, maybe just memorizing the CMR. Totally dependent on the individual.

I made my own outlines and memorized those for most subjects, because that's what I did for law school, and then just straight up memorized the lecture handouts for the rest (which I did not have time to outline myself). I rarely used the CMR. Yours might be the complete opposite.

So you felt that the lecture handouts were adequate? I have rarely used the CMR yet, and it's starting to scare me.

[anon919]

Is anyone able to access the Contracts I lecture? I keep getting an error message.

[nygrrrl]

Is anyone able to access the Contracts I lecture? I keep getting an error message.

Site seemed glitchy this morning - try 3 or 4 times.

[5ky]

Does Barbri give us any tips on memorization or do they think we'll just magically memorize the material? They tell us to do everything the way we used to in law school. I never had to memorize for law school, especially not 20 topics.

For NY topics do we memorize just by doing lots of practice essays? Is flash cards/outlining/condensing handouts a necessity? I know it's early and this is looking ahead a little but still.

They give minimal advice here because people memorize in different ways. You just have to figure out what's best for you. Maybe straight repetition in essays, maybe flashcards, maybe writing your own outlines, maybe just memorizing the CMR. Totally dependent on the individual.

I made my own outlines and memorized those for most subjects, because that's what I did for law school, and then just straight up memorized the lecture handouts for the rest (which I did not have time to outline myself). I rarely used the CMR. Yours might be the complete opposite.

So you felt that the lecture handouts were adequate? I have rarely used the CMR yet, and it's starting to scare me.

For NY subjects, 100% yes. I only really looked at the lecture handouts to study, and I thought the Ny day was quite a bit easier than I thought it would be. However, I legitimately memorized them word for word, so I had an excellent handle on the material.

For the MBE subjects, I don't think that's the case. The lectures are a good jumping off point, but it did reference the CMR quite a bit for those, as well as a few other outside sources.

[belowthelaw57]

Does Barbri give us any tips on memorization or do they think we'll just magically memorize the material? They tell us to do everything the way we used to in law school. I never had to memorize for law school, especially not 20 topics.

For NY topics do we memorize just by doing lots of practice essays? Is flash cards/outlining/condensing handouts a necessity? I know it's early and this is looking ahead a little but still.

They give minimal advice here because people memorize in different ways. You just have to figure out what's best for you. Maybe straight repetition in essays, maybe flashcards, maybe writing your own outlines, maybe just memorizing the CMR. Totally dependent on the individual.

I made my own outlines and memorized those for most subjects, because that's what I did for law school, and then just straight up memorized the lecture handouts for the rest (which I did not have time to outline myself). I rarely used the CMR. Yours might be the complete opposite.

Did you do this as you went along in the course or during "crunch time" later on like in July?

[5ky]

Does Barbri give us any tips on memorization or do they think we'll just magically memorize the material? They tell us to do everything the way we used to in law school. I never had to memorize for law school, especially not 20 topics.

For NY topics do we memorize just by doing lots of practice essays? Is flash cards/outlining/condensing handouts a necessity? I know it's early and this is looking ahead a little but still.

They give minimal advice here because people memorize in different ways. You just have to figure out what's best for you. Maybe straight repetition in essays, maybe flashcards, maybe writing your own outlines, maybe just memorizing the CMR. Totally dependent on the individual.

I made my own outlines and memorized those for most subjects, because that's what I did for law school, and then just straight up memorized the lecture handouts for the rest (which I did not have time to outline myself). I rarely used the CMR. Yours might be the complete opposite.

Did you do this as you went along in the course or during "crunch time" later on like in July?

I made the outlines as I went along but did not begin memorizing until I had finished the lecture videos. Basically, I followed barbri's schedule for the most part until the last week of lectures. Then I watched like 6 lectures over 2 days to finish everything up. At that point I just went totally off barbri and memorized 2 NY subjects a day (9-5ish) while doing some MBE work at night (630-10ish). Then I just cycled through everything again and again until the day of the exam.

I didn't have to sit down and memorize the MBE subjects because by that point, I had poured so much effort into MBE practice that I had organically memorized the material.

[AJS30]

Does Barbri give us any tips on memorization or do they think we'll just magically memorize the material? They tell us to do everything the way we used to in law school. I never had to memorize for law school, especially not 20 topics.

For NY topics do we memorize just by doing lots of practice essays? Is flash cards/outlining/condensing handouts a necessity? I know it's early and this is looking ahead a little but still.

They give minimal advice here because people memorize in different ways. You just have to figure out what's best for you. Maybe straight repetition in essays, maybe flashcards, maybe writing your own outlines, maybe just memorizing the CMR. Totally dependent on the individual.

I made my own outlines and memorized those for most subjects, because that's what I did for law school, and then just straight up memorized the lecture handouts for the rest (which I did not have time to outline myself). I rarely used the CMR. Yours might be the complete opposite.

Did you do this as you went along in the course or during "crunch time" later on like in July?

I made the outlines as I went along but did not begin memorizing until I had finished the lecture videos. Basically, I followed barbri's schedule for the most part until the last week of lectures. Then I watched like 6 lectures over 2 days to finish everything up. At that point I just went totally off barbri and memorized 2 NY subjects a day (9-5ish) while doing some MBE work at night (630-10ish). Then I just cycled through everything again and again until the day of the exam.

I didn't have to sit down and memorize the MBE subjects because by that point, I had poured so much effort into MBE practice that I had organically memorized the material.

Did you do the NY Mini Review day? If so, do you recommend it?

[5ky]

No, that seems 100% pure flame waste. Towards the end I thought it was better to transition away from Barbri and do what you know you need to do, not sit through extra structured stuff

[AJS30]

Question regarding the K lecture in regards to lost profit on page 48. For some reason I wrote down that the dealer's damages are $0, but shouldn't it be $7,000?

[OutCold]

Question regarding the K lecture in regards to lost profit on page 48. For some reason I wrote down that the dealer's damages are $0, but shouldn't it be $7,000?

I don't think an amount was specified since it doesn't indicate what profit the dealer was expected to make. I believe the dealer is entitled to whatever profit it would have made on the transaction with Jessica, so $0 is wrong unless the dealer wasn't making any profit at all on the sale. Could be wrong though, I was spacing out by that point in the lecture.

[Icculus]

Question regarding the K lecture in regards to lost profit on page 48. For some reason I wrote down that the dealer's damages are $0, but shouldn't it be $7,000?

I don't think an amount was specified since it doesn't indicate what profit the dealer was expected to make. I believe the dealer is entitled to whatever profit it would have made on the transaction with Jessica, so $0 is wrong unless the dealer wasn't making any profit at all on the sale. Could be wrong though, I was spacing out by that point in the lecture.

Correct. Loss for dealers is the profit they would have made on the first sale.

[prs362]

On review, I am finding the contracts lecture handout to be terribly lacking. Anyone else thinking this? In particular, the excuse section of his handout is 8 pages compared to the CMR's 20, and is in a really strange order. One of the few handouts I've found very unhelpful for studying purposes.

[nygrrrl]

Said the same thing about the Ks handout yesterday to a friend: weird order, not feeling this one. Will definitely do my own outline for Ks.

[belowthelaw57]

Anyone know of a place where we can look at failing New York Bar essays (as opposed to the passing ones that barbri provides us)?

[salvage]

I've got a question on law that can be tested on NY exam. The NY Practice lecturer specifically pointed out a long-arm jdx law from a 2014 case only a few months old, saying it could be tested. But, and I don’t remember which lecture it was, but some lecturer said the case has to be like 2 or 3 years old at least for it to be tested. Maybe this was only for the MBE and newer cases are fair game in NY? Anyone know?

[AJS30]

I've got a question on law that can be tested on NY exam. The NY Practice lecturer specifically pointed out a long-arm jdx law from a 2014 case only a few months old, saying it could be tested. But, and I don’t remember which lecture it was, but some lecturer said the case has to be like 2 or 3 years old at least for it to be tested. Maybe this was only for the MBE and newer cases are fair game in NY? Anyone know?

I'm doing the lecture now and was thinking the same thing. I think it was in the con law lecture, I think he said we are not expected to know cases that have been decided in the last 3 years because we've been in law school and those cases may be being taught or something like that. However, I am guessing that only applies to MBE stuff. I could be wrong, but I can't really see them putting something on the NY portion that was just decided in January.

[peanut123]

I've got a question on law that can be tested on NY exam. The NY Practice lecturer specifically pointed out a long-arm jdx law from a 2014 case only a few months old, saying it could be tested. But, and I don’t remember which lecture it was, but some lecturer said the case has to be like 2 or 3 years old at least for it to be tested. Maybe this was only for the MBE and newer cases are fair game in NY? Anyone know?

I'm doing the lecture now and was thinking the same thing. I think it was in the con law lecture, I think he said we are not expected to know cases that have been decided in the last 3 years because we've been in law school and those cases may be being taught or something like that. However, I am guessing that only applies to MBE stuff. I could be wrong, but I can't really see them putting something on the NY portion that was just decided in January.

I had the same question and sent it to barbri. Will report back. My thought is, know both for an essay. But not clear what to do if it showed up on a MC question.

Update: response
Any changes in the law from more than 6 months ago can potentially be tested on the July exam. The Daimler v Bauman decision occurred in January which makes it 7 months old from when the July 2014 exam takes place. As a result, we have to treat the new law as fair game to be tested on the July exam.

[salvage]

Thanks. Any word on if that's just for NY or if it counts for the MBE too (in which case the prior lecturer is a lying sack of crap)?

[greenjuice]

Thanks. Any word on if that's just for NY or if it counts for the MBE too (in which case the prior lecturer is a lying sack of crap)?

I guess a lot of ppl were asking barbri about this one, haha. They posted this announcement:

According to the New York Bar Examiners, any changes in the law from more than six months ago can potentially be tested on the July Bar Exam. During his Constitutional Law lecture, Professor Lisnek indicated that decisions within the last two years are not likely to be tested. While this is a true statement, it is important to be familiar with recent decisions mentioned during lecture.

The Daimler AG v. Bauman decision occurred in January. That decision will be seven months old when the July 2014 Bar Exam takes place. As a result, you should treat the new law from this decision as testable on the July Bar Exam. This decision is a recent one, and we believe it is not likely to be tested. However, you should be prepared to answer any questions regarding this topic using the new law cited by Professor Alexander in his New York Practice lecture.