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locusdelicti · Post by **locusdelicti** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:12 pm

I'm skimming the MBE outlines but actually reading the state outlines. I went to law school and took the bar in Michigan, and now I'm in PA and everything is different, so I'm trying to get the best handle on state law as I can.

I feel like the outlines are pretty decent. Barbri and Micromash and all the others have outlines that are just as long. For review purposes, though, I'm just looking at the worksheets and making flash cards for now.

Anyone else doing PA/NJ?

NeXP · Post by **NeXP** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:22 pm

I have a full set of 2012 NY BarBri books. I think the Conviser will be a useful supplement.

Citizen Genet · Post by **Citizen Genet** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:42 pm

Guh. Just did a Corporations essay and got seriously owned. I didn't do BA in law school so I'm hoping it's reflective of that rather than my general incompetence.

kalvano · Post by **kalvano** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:46 pm

I love that after the Corporations lecture, the first essay is all about LLC's, which weren't covered at all in the Corporations lecture and are totally different and I have no fucking clue about them.

I messaged Themis about that, see what they say.

Citizen Genet · Post by **Citizen Genet** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:49 pm

kalvano wrote:I love that after the Corporations lecture, the first essay is all about LLC's, which weren't covered at all in the Corporations lecture and are totally different and I have no fucking clue about them.

I messaged Themis about that, see what they say.

+billion. Seriously frustrating to have my very first essay, after listening to about 3 hours and reading for 1.5 hours, be something I've never heard about before.

HETPE3B · Post by **HETPE3B** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:51 pm

kalvano wrote:I love that after the Corporations lecture, the first essay is all about LLC's, which weren't covered at all in the Corporations lecture and are totally different and I have no fucking clue about them.

I messaged Themis about that, see what they say.

Yea, I've seen a torts essay covering Secured Transactions material pretty heavily and a property essay 90% of which deals with family law.

kalvano · Post by **kalvano** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:51 pm

Citizen Genet wrote:
kalvano wrote:I love that after the Corporations lecture, the first essay is all about LLC's, which weren't covered at all in the Corporations lecture and are totally different and I have no fucking clue about them.

I messaged Themis about that, see what they say.
+billion. Seriously frustrating to have my very first essay, after listening to about 3 hours and reading for 1.5 hours, be something I've never heard about before.

You had the same essay then? I'll let you know what they say.

Also, was I right about the Corporations guy? Did you "appreciate" him?

kalvano · Post by **kalvano** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:52 pm

HETPE3B wrote:
kalvano wrote:I love that after the Corporations lecture, the first essay is all about LLC's, which weren't covered at all in the Corporations lecture and are totally different and I have no fucking clue about them.

I messaged Themis about that, see what they say.
Yea, I've seen a torts essay covering Secured Transactions material pretty heavily and a property essay 90% of which deals with family law.

Except I have no idea, I don't care about transactional, and I need Themis to tell me what the difference between Inc., P.A., P.C., LLC, and everything else is.

bceagles182 · Post by **bceagles182** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:53 pm

kalvano wrote:I love that after the Corporations lecture, the first essay is all about LLC's, which weren't covered at all in the Corporations lecture and are totally different and I have no fucking clue about them.

I messaged Themis about that, see what they say.

I don't think LLCs are all that different from Corporations. The primary difference is that they are pass through entities and so they don't pay corporate taxes (like partnerships).

kalvano · Post by **kalvano** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:55 pm

bceagles182 wrote:
kalvano wrote:I love that after the Corporations lecture, the first essay is all about LLC's, which weren't covered at all in the Corporations lecture and are totally different and I have no fucking clue about them.

I messaged Themis about that, see what they say.

I don't think LLCs are all that different from Corporations. The primary difference is that they are pass through entities and so they don't pay corporate taxes (like partnerships).

According to the model answer they are. Members instead of shareholders, different rules about formation and directors, and what happens when interests are sold or assigned.

Bronx Bum · Post by **Bronx Bum** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:56 pm

kalvano wrote:
bceagles182 wrote:
kalvano wrote:I love that after the Corporations lecture, the first essay is all about LLC's, which weren't covered at all in the Corporations lecture and are totally different and I have no fucking clue about them.

I messaged Themis about that, see what they say.

I don't think LLCs are all that different from Corporations. The primary difference is that they are pass through entities and so they don't pay corporate taxes (like partnerships).

According to the model answer they are. Members instead of shareholders, different rules about formation and directors, and what happens when interests are sold or assigned.

Which state u doing?

TheSituation · Post by **TheSituation** » Thu May 30, 2013 1:58 pm

I'm also having technical difficulties with watching the lecture videos.

kalvano · Post by **kalvano** » Thu May 30, 2013 2:00 pm

Bronx Bum wrote:
kalvano wrote:
bceagles182 wrote:
kalvano wrote:I love that after the Corporations lecture, the first essay is all about LLC's, which weren't covered at all in the Corporations lecture and are totally different and I have no fucking clue about them.

I messaged Themis about that, see what they say.

I don't think LLCs are all that different from Corporations. The primary difference is that they are pass through entities and so they don't pay corporate taxes (like partnerships).

According to the model answer they are. Members instead of shareholders, different rules about formation and directors, and what happens when interests are sold or assigned.
Which state u doing?

Texas.

TheSituation · Post by **TheSituation** » Thu May 30, 2013 2:16 pm

Apparently Google Chrome was the problem. Switched over to Mozilla and now its working.

Bronx Bum · Post by **Bronx Bum** » Thu May 30, 2013 2:21 pm

TheSituation wrote:Apparently Google Chrome was the problem. Switched over to Mozilla and now its working.

Same here. The smart phone is 180 tho.

kalvano · Post by **kalvano** » Thu May 30, 2013 2:22 pm

TheSituation wrote:Apparently Google Chrome was the problem. Switched over to Mozilla and now its working.

LOL. I can't get it to work in Firefox, only in Chrome.

geekrocker37 · Post by **geekrocker37** » Thu May 30, 2013 2:23 pm

locusdelicti wrote:I'm skimming the MBE outlines but actually reading the state outlines. I went to law school and took the bar in Michigan, and now I'm in PA and everything is different, so I'm trying to get the best handle on state law as I can.

I feel like the outlines are pretty decent. Barbri and Micromash and all the others have outlines that are just as long. For review purposes, though, I'm just looking at the worksheets and making flash cards for now.

Anyone else doing PA/NJ?

PA/NJ here as well. PA is the problem - so many unique and antiquated things. Looks like Jersey will be a breeze.

Bronx Bum · Post by **Bronx Bum** » Thu May 30, 2013 2:44 pm

Just got to 55% complete. Might take a step back and do some kaplan questions.

locusdelicti · Post by **locusdelicti** » Thu May 30, 2013 2:48 pm

geekrocker37 wrote:
locusdelicti wrote:I'm skimming the MBE outlines but actually reading the state outlines. I went to law school and took the bar in Michigan, and now I'm in PA and everything is different, so I'm trying to get the best handle on state law as I can.

I feel like the outlines are pretty decent. Barbri and Micromash and all the others have outlines that are just as long. For review purposes, though, I'm just looking at the worksheets and making flash cards for now.

Anyone else doing PA/NJ?

PA/NJ here as well. PA is the problem - so many unique and antiquated things. Looks like Jersey will be a breeze.

PA is pissing me off. The civ pro lectures alone are enough to make me want to move. Can't depose experts without a really good reason???? What the hell is that? Need to NOTICE people before subpoenaing a witness for documents? Jesus.

And prothonotary. Just call it a clerk. Gah.

Citizen Genet · Post by **Citizen Genet** » Thu May 30, 2013 2:53 pm

kalvano wrote:
Citizen Genet wrote:
kalvano wrote:I love that after the Corporations lecture, the first essay is all about LLC's, which weren't covered at all in the Corporations lecture and are totally different and I have no fucking clue about them.

I messaged Themis about that, see what they say.
+billion. Seriously frustrating to have my very first essay, after listening to about 3 hours and reading for 1.5 hours, be something I've never heard about before.

You had the same essay then? I'll let you know what they say.

Also, was I right about the Corporations guy? Did you "appreciate" him?

Haha. "What we need to do, is understand and appreciate...." Almost every new paragraph he said that. And I did have the exact same essay.

Some of these MBE questions are ticking me off. Just did one that basically came to a judgment call on whether the facts were sufficient for a specific legal standard. That's some crap questioning. But I guess it's good to get used to it now because it will almost certainly be on the real thing.

HETPE3B · Post by **HETPE3B** » Thu May 30, 2013 3:18 pm

Bronx Bum wrote:Just got to 55% complete. Might take a step back and do some kaplan questions.

Just clicking through lectures/outlines? This is like buying an gym membership and expecting results without actually going.

kalvano · Post by **kalvano** » Thu May 30, 2013 3:21 pm

Bronx Bum wrote:Just got to 55% complete. Might take a step back and do some kaplan questions.

55% done with Themis? When did you start?

09042014 · Post by **09042014** » Thu May 30, 2013 3:22 pm

kalvano wrote:
Bronx Bum wrote:Just got to 55% complete. Might take a step back and do some kaplan questions.

55% done with Themis? When did you start?

Yea jesus. I was pretty proud about my 8%.

Bronx Bum · Post by **Bronx Bum** » Thu May 30, 2013 3:22 pm

kalvano wrote:
Bronx Bum wrote:Just got to 55% complete. Might take a step back and do some kaplan questions.

55% done with Themis? When did you start?

Kidding. Like 4%

Themis Bar Review · Post by **Themis Bar Review** » Thu May 30, 2013 3:55 pm

Hey everyone,

I saw that you had some questions regarding the TX practice essays. Please read the following message from our editorial attorneys.

The Texas Bar Examiners test Corporations, Partnerships, LLC's, Agency, etc. under the heading Business Associations. The examiners will often test more than one aspect of Business Associations in one question. I am sorry if the combination question came before you had greater time with the area of LLC's. You will have more time with the subject in Partnerships which is upcoming in your schedule. Once you finish it, you should be able to handle any Business Associations question the examiners send your way.

Thanks,

EJ
Themis Bar Review

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