BarBri Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam Forum

[myrtlewinston]

Maybe Barbri will give us some earnest money

And throw in a real estate broker prep course

I think a real estate broker licence comes with the NY law licence.


Barbri CEO claimed that people call to thank him every year...

[Learned Throw Hands]

Great, two letters for the mpt ? What did I miss? There was a copy right issue ?

Not every state has two MPTs. I know the UBE does (they're both weighed 10%).

[Learned Throw Hands]

I also fucked up the first MPT. Not so much the substance but I kept referring to Bryan and Henry like I was writing the letter to a senior attorney and not to Bryan. Fuck.

[jaysnooginz]

Definitely two client letters where I took the UBE: Copyrights and Truth in Lending Act.

[Buoya20]

I took the New York one and I only wrote the truth and lending one

[starryski]

Definitely two client letters where I took the UBE: Copyrights and Truth in Lending Act.

wait what? you took two right? in NY it was just the TLA.

[charlesxavier]

I also fucked up the first MPT. Not so much the substance but I kept referring to Bryan and Henry like I was writing the letter to a senior attorney and not to Bryan. Fuck.

Me too. I'm sure it'll hurt but hopefully not fatal...

[felonious monk]

I also fucked up the first MPT. Not so much the substance but I kept referring to Bryan and Henry like I was writing the letter to a senior attorney and not to Bryan. Fuck.

Me too. I'm sure it'll hurt but hopefully not fatal...

I referred to Snr and Jnr.

It won't hurt. It shouldn't. I write letters to clients all the time - I never refer to anyone as 'your father/brother co-worker' or the 'opposing party' - it's always use a abbreviation (in my case SNR and JNR) and stick with that. It keeps it clear. If they deduct for that it's style over substance and shouldn't be marked off heavily.

[charlesxavier]

I also fucked up the first MPT. Not so much the substance but I kept referring to Bryan and Henry like I was writing the letter to a senior attorney and not to Bryan. Fuck.

Me too. I'm sure it'll hurt but hopefully not fatal...

I referred to Snr and Jnr.

It won't hurt. It shouldn't. I write letters to clients all the time - I never refer to anyone as 'your father/brother co-worker' or the 'opposing party' - it's always use a abbreviation (in my case SNR and JNR) and stick with that. It keeps it clear. If they deduct for that it's style over substance and shouldn't be marked off heavily.

That's my hope but I also have heard of the importance of following directions on the MPT and getting destroyed for not. However, I'm hoping that would be more true for not using the provided memo format than for using the wrong references.

[felonious monk]

I also fucked up the first MPT. Not so much the substance but I kept referring to Bryan and Henry like I was writing the letter to a senior attorney and not to Bryan. Fuck.

Me too. I'm sure it'll hurt but hopefully not fatal...

I referred to Snr and Jnr.

It won't hurt. It shouldn't. I write letters to clients all the time - I never refer to anyone as 'your father/brother co-worker' or the 'opposing party' - it's always use a abbreviation (in my case SNR and JNR) and stick with that. It keeps it clear. If they deduct for that it's style over substance and shouldn't be marked off heavily.

That's my hope but I also have heard of the importance of following directions on the MPT and getting destroyed for not. However, I'm hoping that would be more true for not using the provided memo format than for using the wrong references.

Yeah but they didn't give us any guidance as to which refs to use...I think it will be fine if you're constant - which I was not. I was all over the place - just hoping it's only a few.

I was using first names, last names, JNR , SNR and Client etc.

Joke. It was the pressure of the day. If you follow the substance the refs won't be an issue. No one in real practice will ever ask you to draft a letter in an hour without proofing it etc and they MUST know that and take it into consideration.

[Danger Zone]

How many people who went ny/nj thought nj was a joke?

Easy as fuck compared to NY. Although the contracts question had me lol wutting for a second before I realized they basically only want you to discuss damages for the whole thing.

[sharklet]

For those who have developed a particular interest in the topic of chair-pulling over the last few days, this may be of interest:
Garrat v. Dailey - http://www.lawnix.com/cases/garratt-dailey.html

[BVest]

For all the carping about BarBri not preparing us for the MBE properly (and here I think it's probably in large part the NCBE's fault. As the bar prep companies get better, they feel the need to evade the work of the prep companies. But if the exam is meant to test competence for licensure, it shouldn't matter that you're prepared for their test on what the law is.)

Hmm... well that was a long aside. Let's try that again.

For all the carping about BarBri not preparing us for the MBE properly, they fucking nailed the Texas essay material, all with the exception of one question which I don't think anyone could possibly blame them for (statutory details of construction law for a real property question).

[Neff]

I think you all should stop this neuroticism. A huge part of not being miserable in life is learning to accept the past and moving forward.

Oh yeah, and congratulations on passing the bar!!!

[charlesxavier]

I think you all should stop this neuroticism. A huge part of not being miserable in life is learning to accept the past and moving forward.

Oh yeah, and congratulations on passing the bar!!!

Agreed. If my score was low enough that screwing up one MPT makes me fail then I clearly did a lot of other things wrong. It just sucks knowing I made such a stupid mistake.

[cdelgado]

I wouldn't worry about these MPT details. In most jurisdictions it is not a big impact on the score. Just need to beat 20% of takers..

[charlesxavier]

I wouldn't worry about these MPT details. In most jurisdictions it is not a big impact on the score. Just need to beat 20% of takers..

In another forum someone said they got a 1 on an MPT in Ohio and still passed. They also said no other essay was below a 4.

[odoylerulez]

I think you all should stop this neuroticism. A huge part of not being miserable in life is learning to accept the past and moving forward.

Oh yeah, and congratulations on passing the bar!!!

Agreed. If my score was low enough that screwing up one MPT makes me fail then I clearly did a lot of other things wrong. It just sucks knowing I made such a stupid mistake.

I doubt that mistake will cost you too many points. I bet a lot of people did that -- that's hard to keep straight when you're trying to rush an extensive essay in 90 minutes.

If you finished, and used all or most of the materials, you'll be OK as far as the MPT goes.

[cdelgado]

I wouldn't worry about these MPT details. In most jurisdictions it is not a big impact on the score. Just need to beat 20% of takers..

In another forum someone said they got a 1 on an MPT in Ohio and still passed. They also said no other essay was below a 4.

A 1 seems difficult to do, but based on some of the graded essays in Ohio, I believe it can happen. I'm sure you are fine.

Although I feel good about my essays, I don't think I can guarantee that they are all above a 4. It is hard to know.

I just refuse to believe that anyone in this thread to put in the time and gave it an honest effort failed.

[charlesxavier]

I think you all should stop this neuroticism. A huge part of not being miserable in life is learning to accept the past and moving forward.

Oh yeah, and congratulations on passing the bar!!!

Agreed. If my score was low enough that screwing up one MPT makes me fail then I clearly did a lot of other things wrong. It just sucks knowing I made such a stupid mistake.

I doubt that mistake will cost you too many points. I bet a lot of people did that -- that's hard to keep straight when you're trying to rush an extensive essay in 90 minutes.

If you finished, and used all or most of the materials, you'll be OK as far as the MPT goes.

I hope. Last night I looked up an MPT someone in Tennessee posted that was given a 1. They didn't follow the required format and addressed the wrong issues. At least I know I addressed the question and used the right format. I just screwed up on my intended audience.

[Greenandgold]

Does Barbri pay the shipping for returning our books or no? Isn't it going to cost like $50 to ship a 50 lb box?

[cdelgado]

Does Barbri pay the shipping for returning our books or no? Isn't it going to cost like $50 to ship a 50 lb box?

I think we have to pay to ship them back. My box came in around 32 pounds. Everything should qualify for USPS Media Mail, which is the cheapest option at around $18-20.

[BVest]

I feel like all of us in various cities should get together and palletize our shipments and send it by freight.

[charlesxavier]

This post bar exam stress relieving vacations is great...

:currently broken down outside Chicago with two dogs:

[Good Guy Gaud]

This post bar exam stress relieving vacations is great...

:currently broken down outside Chicago with two dogs:

Yikes!

I'm at work