BarBri Bar Review Hangout - February 2016 Exam Forum

[crumpetsandtea]

Why is commercial paper so hard for me to write about?

It's like I know the rules but it's weirdly difficult for me to construct an actual answer. Like, what do I put where, and how do I order things???

It's super freaking me out because usually the essay section is my strong suit. BLAH.

[ReachTheBar79]

Does anyone know whether a passenger has standing to contest a search of a vehicle or items in the vehicle or her purse?

[BVest]

Does anyone know whether a passenger has standing to contest a search of (1) a vehicle or (2) items in the vehicle or (3) her purse?

1) No (See Rakas)
2) No (Id.)
3) Probably no, but it depends. (See Houghton, which allowed the search to stand, but recognized that the passenger may have a privacy interest in the object beyond the driver's privacy interest in the car; but still a reduced privacy interest because of the automotive context). Because it depends, it's unlikely to be tested on the Bar.

[THE_U]

Most likely "no" to all 3 questions.

However, a passenger of a car is "seized" under the 4th Amendment (Brendlin v. California), and therefore would probably be able to challenge the stop itself.

[ReachTheBar79]

Most likely "no" to all 3 questions.

However, a passenger of a car is "seized" under the 4th Amendment (Brendlin v. California), and therefore would probably be able to challenge the stop itself.

That is the case that I thought of when I asked this question! Awesome!! In order to have standing, the passenger needs an expectation of privacy, right? I get that the passenger could challenge the stop, but probably couldn't challenge a search of the vehicle or herself, true?

[mtyler19]

Does anyone have notes from the simulated MBE analysis videos they'd be willing to send me? I hear theres a lot of little helpful tips he gives but I'm not going to have enough time to be able to watch most of them. I really appreciate it!!

[MrMustache]

Does anyone have notes from the simulated MBE analysis videos they'd be willing to send me? I hear theres a lot of little helpful tips he gives but I'm not going to have enough time to be able to watch most of them. I really appreciate it!!

I'd like a copy too, if it's not too much trouble. Thank you!

[UnfrozenCaveman]

Anyone else feel pretty good about the exam, but have that fear that on exam day, you're going to sit down and look like a deer in headlights? Like the stuff youre reading just looks so unfamiliar and you have no idea what the answer is?

I feel that way big time.

Yes, but I often felt that way about finals haha

[THE_U]

Most likely "no" to all 3 questions.

However, a passenger of a car is "seized" under the 4th Amendment (Brendlin v. California), and therefore would probably be able to challenge the stop itself.

That is the case that I thought of when I asked this question! Awesome!! In order to have standing, the passenger needs an expectation of privacy, right? I get that the passenger could challenge the stop, but probably couldn't challenge a search of the vehicle or herself, true?

Correct. "Expectation of privacy" is the test for standing. Rakas overruled an old test that basically said you had standing if you were legitimately on the property.

As a side note: That doesn't mean that you never have an expectation of privacy in something/somewhere that belongs to someone else. For instance, an overnight guest would have an standing to challenge a search.

[THE_U]

68/100 on the refresher... Definitely a lot of convoluted, ass-backwards shit I really doubt they'll ever ask on the real deal, but glad I did it. Straight up whiffed on about 4 or 5 though.

I continue to think these things are only to scare the living shit out of us for the last week and a half.

Just finished. 66/100 for me.

That was probably the hardest group of questions I've done to date. Literally felt like I was guessing on over half of the questions and I am frankly a little shocked at my score, considering that.

[gtg]

Does anyone have notes from the simulated MBE analysis videos they'd be willing to send me? I hear theres a lot of little helpful tips he gives but I'm not going to have enough time to be able to watch most of them. I really appreciate it!!

I'd like a copy too, if it's not too much trouble. Thank you!

Me too, if that's possible.

[Carly12]

68/100 on the refresher... Definitely a lot of convoluted, ass-backwards shit I really doubt they'll ever ask on the real deal, but glad I did it. Straight up whiffed on about 4 or 5 though.

I continue to think these things are only to scare the living shit out of us for the last week and a half.

Just finished. 66/100 for me.

That was probably the hardest group of questions I've done to date. Literally felt like I was guessing on over half of the questions and I am frankly a little shocked at my score, considering that.

Ditto. Hardest set of questions so far. The lecturer in the explanatory lectures mentioned a couple of times how hard and convoluted the questions were.

[NY_Sea]

Most likely "no" to all 3 questions.

However, a passenger of a car is "seized" under the 4th Amendment (Brendlin v. California), and therefore would probably be able to challenge the stop itself.

That is the case that I thought of when I asked this question! Awesome!! In order to have standing, the passenger needs an expectation of privacy, right? I get that the passenger could challenge the stop, but probably couldn't challenge a search of the vehicle or herself, true?

Remember that the expectation of privacy needs to be reasonable and socially accepted... You may think you have an expectation of privacy on the roof of your building because that's your "quiet place", but no one else is going to.

[NY_Sea]

68/100 on the refresher... Definitely a lot of convoluted, ass-backwards shit I really doubt they'll ever ask on the real deal, but glad I did it. Straight up whiffed on about 4 or 5 though.

I continue to think these things are only to scare the living shit out of us for the last week and a half.

Just finished. 66/100 for me.

That was probably the hardest group of questions I've done to date. Literally felt like I was guessing on over half of the questions and I am frankly a little shocked at my score, considering that.

Ditto. Hardest set of questions so far. The lecturer in the explanatory lectures mentioned a couple of times how hard and convoluted the questions were.

That's why I'm reiterating that the refresher is nothing more than that last "shit your pants" moment to kind of kick you into high gear for the last week and a half

[DueProcessDoWheelies]

Some of these Crim Law fact patters are so silly. Like the D breaks into someone's home, has an unreasonable belief that the person's car belongs to the D, hotwires the car and drives it away. But OH NO he's for sure not guilty of larceny or burglary! Because he really believed the car was his! YAAAAAYYYY!!!!

Stupid.

[THE_U]

68/100 on the refresher... Definitely a lot of convoluted, ass-backwards shit I really doubt they'll ever ask on the real deal, but glad I did it. Straight up whiffed on about 4 or 5 though.

I continue to think these things are only to scare the living shit out of us for the last week and a half.

Just finished. 66/100 for me.

That was probably the hardest group of questions I've done to date. Literally felt like I was guessing on over half of the questions and I am frankly a little shocked at my score, considering that.

Ditto. Hardest set of questions so far. The lecturer in the explanatory lectures mentioned a couple of times how hard and convoluted the questions were.

That's why I'm reiterating that the refresher is nothing more than that last "shit your pants" moment to kind of kick you into high gear for the last week and a half

I think it's also useful for the fact that the real MBE felt exactly like taking refresher, as far as how foreign the questions seemed. It was nice to remind myself how that felt because I fully anticipate the real exam feeling like that again.

[NY_Sea]

Some of these Crim Law fact patters are so silly. Like the D breaks into someone's home, has an unreasonable belief that the person's car belongs to the D, hotwires the car and drives it away. But OH NO he's for sure not guilty of larceny or burglary! Because he really believed the car was his! YAAAAAYYYY!!!!

Stupid.

Stupid? Yeah. Impractical? Absolutely, but they're the elements of the crime... Have to suspend belief a little (or sometimes a lot) when you do these questions. It doesn't matter whether his belief was reasonable or not... Sometimes you just have to give them what you know they want. And on this question, they wanted you to spot that he didn't enter the house intending to commit larceny because he wouldn't be taking "the property of another".

It's frustrating, but it's what we have to do to get over this hump.

[NY_Sea]

68/100 on the refresher... Definitely a lot of convoluted, ass-backwards shit I really doubt they'll ever ask on the real deal, but glad I did it. Straight up whiffed on about 4 or 5 though.

I continue to think these things are only to scare the living shit out of us for the last week and a half.

Just finished. 66/100 for me.

That was probably the hardest group of questions I've done to date. Literally felt like I was guessing on over half of the questions and I am frankly a little shocked at my score, considering that.

Ditto. Hardest set of questions so far. The lecturer in the explanatory lectures mentioned a couple of times how hard and convoluted the questions were.

That's why I'm reiterating that the refresher is nothing more than that last "shit your pants" moment to kind of kick you into high gear for the last week and a half

I think it's also useful for the fact that the real MBE felt exactly like taking refresher, as far as how foreign the questions seemed. It was nice to remind myself how that felt because I fully anticipate the real exam feeling like that again.

I guess you're right... It almost scares me how little I remember from the MBE lol. I think I might have just blacked out....

[z0rk]

68/100 on the refresher... Definitely a lot of convoluted, ass-backwards shit I really doubt they'll ever ask on the real deal, but glad I did it. Straight up whiffed on about 4 or 5 though.

I continue to think these things are only to scare the living shit out of us for the last week and a half.

Just finished. 66/100 for me.

That was probably the hardest group of questions I've done to date. Literally felt like I was guessing on over half of the questions and I am frankly a little shocked at my score, considering that.

Ditto. Hardest set of questions so far. The lecturer in the explanatory lectures mentioned a couple of times how hard and convoluted the questions were.

That's why I'm reiterating that the refresher is nothing more than that last "shit your pants" moment to kind of kick you into high gear for the last week and a half

I think it's also useful for the fact that the real MBE felt exactly like taking refresher, as far as how foreign the questions seemed. It was nice to remind myself how that felt because I fully anticipate the real exam feeling like that again.

I guess you're right... It almost scares me how little I remember from the MBE lol. I think I might have just blacked out....

These BarBri exams are frustrating. I scored right on the button 57/100. The day prior I took an MBE OPE and scored a 75/100. I am just praying my game day performance is closer to the OPE than the BarBri exam.

[BrokenMouse]

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[z0rk]

Are you guys referring to the 1-200 MBE practice assigned on January 29?

There was a 100 question MBE refresher assigned yesterday.

[BrokenMouse]

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[THE_U]

Are you guys referring to the 1-200 MBE practice assigned on January 29?

There was a 100 question MBE refresher assigned yesterday.

I only see ONLINE PDF: Complete MPQ Mixed Subject Set 4 (50 Qs)... where is the other 50? Or are you referring to the 2 x 18 questions?

You might have it assigned next week. I think it's assigned on different dates, depending on the state you are taking the exam in.

The exam itself is in the big MPQ book

[MrMustache]

Are you guys referring to the 1-200 MBE practice assigned on January 29?

There was a 100 question MBE refresher assigned yesterday.

I only see ONLINE PDF: Complete MPQ Mixed Subject Set 4 (50 Qs)... where is the other 50? Or are you referring to the 2 x 18 questions?

If you are in CA, it's assigned on next Wednesday

[BrokenMouse]

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