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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by a male human » Mon May 16, 2016 9:19 pm

aunt_pearl wrote:First good news since I failed the bar: I still have my job at a B4. I didn't want to open the email, but I'm so sososososososo RELIEVED I did. I didn't realize how worried I was until I wasn't any more. OMG I'm not even making sense that's how relieved I am.
ETA: If anyone has questions re; my job, please ask.


First bad news since the bar:
I had a screener with a firm during the wait. They called me today and this is how the convo went:
Recruiter: We have one question: Did you pass the CA Bar yet?
Me: No, I am planning on taking it in July.
Recruiter: Great! that's all I needed to know. I will pass your resume around and get back in touch.

So I kind of feel like shit because I feel like I lost this opportunity. :/
On the other hand, it means you'll get opportunities when you do pass the bar :)

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by Barebones » Mon May 16, 2016 9:37 pm

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by a male human » Mon May 16, 2016 9:42 pm

Did you do full 200Q practice tests?
75% across all subjects?

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by Barebones » Mon May 16, 2016 9:46 pm

a male human wrote:Did you do full 200Q practice tests?
75% across all subjects?
Yes, but mostly from the random ones Adaptibar makes. I think I did two actual ones. I was getting ~75% combined, dipped on some subjects and made up for it in others but I believe that I was at least in the high 60s for everything.

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by a male human » Mon May 16, 2016 9:51 pm

Man, I don't really know what went wrong with your MBE prep then.

Exam day itself is important too. Were you able to focus? And finish all the questions? Did you feel pretty good about your answers?

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by Barebones » Mon May 16, 2016 9:56 pm

I know... The weird thing is I felt good about the MBE portion, had plenty of time to finish.

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Post by FinallyPassedTheBar » Mon May 16, 2016 10:06 pm

Barebones wrote:I know... The weird thing is I felt good about the MBE portion, had plenty of time to finish.

It's possible you just hit some bad luck on the MBE. I know there were a number of questions that I could only narrow down to 2 choices...and both choices seemed equally good/bad. Like the one about 5 jury members. It's entirely possible to get all those wrong just by guessing wrong, no way to study for those.

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by rcharter1978 » Mon May 16, 2016 10:07 pm

2TimesTheCharm wrote:For those that passed, how far from passing were your first scores?
Pretty damn far, last time I only got a 1370

Essay 1: 65
Essay 2: 55
Essay 3: 70
Essay 4: 55
Essay 5: 55
Essay 6: 45
PT-A: 55
PT-B: 60

Raw Written: 575
Scaled Written: 1316.0970
Scaled MBE: 1492

Total Scaled Score: 1377.6631

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Post by 2TimesTheCharm » Mon May 16, 2016 10:38 pm

I'm looking at my grade sheet and it makes me sad. My essay scores alternate between 60 and 65 all the way down, including the PT's. My MBE score is in the 1200's. :(

Any suggestions on how to bring up my MBE score? I plan to practice essays a little more to get all 65's next time.

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by prettyby7 » Mon May 16, 2016 11:09 pm

rcharter1978 wrote:
2TimesTheCharm wrote:For those that passed, how far from passing were your first scores?
Pretty damn far, last time I only got a 1370

Essay 1: 65
Essay 2: 55
Essay 3: 70
Essay 4: 55
Essay 5: 55
Essay 6: 45
PT-A: 55
PT-B: 60

Raw Written: 575
Scaled Written: 1316.0970
Scaled MBE: 1492

Total Scaled Score: 1377.6631
Even further last time than rcharter with a 1247

Essay 1: 55
Essay 2: 55
Essay 3: 55
Essay 4: 55
Essay 5: 60
Essay 6: 60
PT-A: 55
PT-B: 50

Raw Written: 550
Scaled Written: 1240.7070
Scaled MBE: 1259

I'm purely a lurker on these threads, yet there is invaluable information on here that helped me tremendously. My last scores from July 2015 speak for themselves only to come back and pass Feb. 2016.

I would be wholly remiss if I did not pass along the golden nuggets that got me to pass on my second time. First, search for posts using the "Search for author" function on these threads and check out the precious info from the OG's on these boards: "2807", "AntiHuman", and "A Male Human". For example, I borrowed the "Precise Legal Issue" statements that was exhorted by "2807"; the ISSUE SPOTTING recommendations by "AntiHuman" and the BarEssays and AdaptiBar coupons from "A Male Human" coupled with the barexamtoolbox tips he faithfully recommends. Everyone is different; but I used a combination of their advice and recommendations to refine my essay approach and boost my MBE score. I knew I was destined to fail again with those scores. Although, I can't tell you how much of a difference using past released MBE's gives one a leg up on the real deal and using BarEssays to SEE passing answers against failing ones! Even though NONE of the freaking released MBE's were similar in fact pattern on the real deal, I was able to hash out the nuances of 2 freaking answers that were so close to being correct (like stupid brake release that injures person....or minimum jurors needed for civil trial!!!).

Finally, I short hand wrote every freaking MBE rule of the question I got wrong on released MBE's, paired with researching in Coviser (or any other rule book you prefer) as to the exact REASON why I got it wrong. Writing out the answers in shorthand rather than typing it out somehow reinforced the rule in my head along with the nuance that I fell victim to in MBE fact patterns. This also translates smoothly into your essay writing issue spotting because you will know the rule cold and will be able to SPOT the issue when the facts raise it.

Again, everyone is different. However, I've seen many of folks on these threads come back after passing and give shout outs to those guys because of the indispensable advice, and now I am another testifier giving shout outs as to their approaches.

This test is very doable. With a little perseverance and honing in on what the examiners are looking for, your name will "appear on the pass list"!

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by rcharter1978 » Mon May 16, 2016 11:11 pm

BrokenMouse wrote:
rcharter1978 wrote:OMFG, I passed!!!!!

I was so certain I failed that I didn't even bother to check online, and figured I would wait to see my score report to know what I needed to work on. I can't believe this and I damn near died of a heart attack from shock.

I want to pay it forward. I purchased the book for the California PT, and I have the Barbri materials for Summer '15/Winter '16 test. My copy of the CMR is pretty beat up, but the big Multistate book and the California specific books (the ones that go into more depth) are relatively unscathed. I also have the Essay book and the PT book -- they aren't too bad.

If you want any of these I am giving them away, as long as you can pay for the shipping I'm delighted to send them to you.

Everyone here is giving awesome advice. My only advice is to keep on plugging away, Barbri didn't work for me the first time, so I think that you just have to keep trying until something works for you......and something WILL work for you.

This is simply a game of luck -- we all know someone who is a damn simpleton who passed this exam. So, it really has nothing to do with your intelligence, although the NCBE and the California Bar will do everything to convince you that not passing has something to do with your intelligence...it does not.
CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remind me again. Did you pass on your 2nd try?
yes, 2nd try and a fucking shocker. I was so sure I was going to have to take it again that I didn't bother filling out the C&F.

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by BrokenMouse » Mon May 16, 2016 11:11 pm

6TimeFailure wrote:These are my scores. I really suck at essay writing. I had 2 hours of sleep the first night...but my scores of the 1st day are even slightly higher versus the 3rd day. Doesn't make sense. I was in a mental fog the entire 1st day.

Though I think my MBE score (1535) is good right? Does my MBE score roughly translate to 153 raw?

essay 1: 55
essay 2: 55
essay 3: 50

essay 4: 55
essay 5: 50
essay 6: 50

PT A: 60
PT B: 55

Raw written: 545.0
Scaled Written: 1188.8768
Scaled MBE: 1535

Total scaled: 1310.0199
you need to get baressays.com and do 100+ essay practice. Your consistent 50-60 scores all around are clear indications that you are not writing at the level you need to. I seriously suspect that you may not yet know how to IRAC. If you want me to take a look, I'd be happy to provide feedback on your prior essay for IRAC structure.

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by BlenderBtl90 » Mon May 16, 2016 11:12 pm

Hey!

This was my second time and I passed. So I wanted to share advice on prepping for the Beast (though there's tons of advice already on here).

1. The sooner you start to study the better. Meaning, today you should have picked up a book. No time to cry, lament, or wonder "What if."

2. For essays - do as many practice essays as you can, NOT just the ones in essay books from Barbri or whatever course you are using. Handwrite them for now. This will force your brain to retain info. Look at one or two sample answers. Write down the most frequently tested rules for each essay (I can still remember what the most frequently tested rules for trusts/wills/PR/Busn Org/Comm Prop/Contracts/Remedies/Evidence essays are. And yes, I saw them again this February :twisted: . And it was a pleasure to see those punks :twisted: ) . Once you do that, go to your Conviser (or whatever book from your prep course) to clarify any rules you don't understand.

3. RECORD yourselves. Yes! Sounds silly, but it works. Use your iPhone to record yourselves saying the rules from each essay out loud. Also record yourself explaining the reasoning in the essays without looking at your notes- as if you were explaining it to your cousin or friend. This will help you ensure that you understand the rules and that you indeed understand the approach. And then listen to your recording while driving to work, or instead of listening to Rhi Rhi at the gym while working out. :D

4. PTs. I did one every Sunday early afternoon, just like test day, for two months straight. Yes. I skipped mass on Sundays. lol. The key is becoming familiar, and not being afraid of those PTs on test day. Just like Essays, PTs have patterns. The only way to get there is doing more, and more, and more of them. Do more than those in the Barbri book. The Bar website is pretty generous with giving you previous ones - lots of them.

5. MBEs. I used Adaptibar. Was doing about 30 questions per day. Wrote down the ones I didn't get right. I hand wrote the rules. Again, hand writing the rules helps your brain to process them better. 30 questions a day is NOT a lot. Maybe at beginning. But then you get into it and start having fun. At the end of the study session, I had done about 2000 MBE questions. I felt prepared because of all the practice. Do FULL OUT 200Qs practice exams. I did the four (4) full practice tests that Adaptibar provides.

That's my advice. ALSO, I failed the July 2015 and I was short of 80+ points. I thought it'd be impossible to pass the second time (I thought increments would be the way), but I told myself "screw it. Forget about that low score, and go for it. Go hard." And it worked.

Tell yourself you'll pass. DO NOT GO FOR THE "MINIMUM COMPETENCY" MENTALITY BARBRI OR OTHER PEOPLE GIVE YOU. AIM FOR THE HIGHEST SCORE ON EACH ESSAY YOU PRACTICE. AND FOR EACH PT YOU DO. AND FOR EACH FULL OUT MBE TEST YOU TAKE.

Let me know if you have any questions. G'luck, and go get 'em!
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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by BrokenMouse » Mon May 16, 2016 11:14 pm

I feel like everyone who passed has unsolicited advice to give lol. it could be overwhelming to people studying for it.

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Post by BlenderBtl90 » Mon May 16, 2016 11:17 pm

BrokenMouse wrote:I feel like everyone who passed has unsolicited advice to give lol. it could be overwhelming to people studying for it.
Fair enough. People are free to ignore.

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Post by a male human » Mon May 16, 2016 11:33 pm

BlenderBtl90 wrote:
BrokenMouse wrote:I feel like everyone who passed has unsolicited advice to give lol. it could be overwhelming to people studying for it.
Fair enough. People are free to ignore.
Don't worry about it. I think it's great that people are sharing their methods. He's just commenting on the recent flood of advice from passers (and projecting as the guy who created an entirely separate advice topic for himself :lol: :lol:)

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Post by Californialaw1464 » Mon May 16, 2016 11:49 pm

I got a 1464 Scaled MBE but did not pass the exam :-( What are my options for waiving into any other jurisdiction. For what it matters, I am licensed in a Tribal Court recognized by the State of California. I would prefer to DC. Can this be done?

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by BrokenMouse » Mon May 16, 2016 11:53 pm

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BlenderBtl90 wrote:
BrokenMouse wrote:I feel like everyone who passed has unsolicited advice to give lol. it could be overwhelming to people studying for it.
Fair enough. People are free to ignore.
Don't worry about it. I think it's great that people are sharing their methods. He's just commenting on the recent flood of advice from passers (and projecting as the guy who created an entirely separate advice topic for himself :lol: :lol:)
lol in fairness i created it in response to requests from at least 3 ppl. but i just hope we're not frustrating/confusing things more for them!

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Post by FinallyPassedTheBar » Mon May 16, 2016 11:54 pm

Californialaw1464 wrote:I got a 1464 Scaled MBE but did not pass the exam :-( What are my options for waiving into any other jurisdiction. For what it matters, I am licensed in a Tribal Court recognized by the State of California. I would prefer to DC. Can this be done?

I believe that MBE scores can only be transferred to other jurisdictions if you pass the whole exam.. So if you failed, you can't transfer your MBE score, even if your MBE score is high enough to waive into a different jrx.

If i am wrong about this, someone please let me know, I have a 1535 scaled MBE

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Post by zenotheelder » Tue May 17, 2016 1:45 am

Here's an MBE conversion chart the bar put out a few years ago. Might be helpful:

http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/portals ... l_info.pdf

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Post by rcharter1978 » Tue May 17, 2016 2:18 am

[quote="Barebones"]This was my first time, my scores are making me re-think my self-study plan. I'm feeling vulnerable and considering shelling out for Barbri (can I just pay with a pound of flesh?? :evil: )

It sounds like you were doing a self-study. I think thats totally cool, however, I think you have to learn the black letter law, and while CMR is amazing for that, I feel like Barbri plans it to be used in conjunction with the lectures. The second time around I did get a tutor, and while I generally thought he was useless, he really, really, really pushed the idea of writing the essays in a particular way (all the headings, making things easy to read, etc, etc). You may know the law very well but it does seem like the readers are really looking for you to write in a particular way. I think that may have helped me because he was a former bar grader, and so while I was always suspicious -- his advice in those areas could have been helpful.

I'm not as savvy as everyone else, but it does seem like the writing may be an issue. It sure as hell was for me the first time around. If you self-studied the first time, were you able to get feedback on your practice essays at all?

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by MarcZero » Tue May 17, 2016 3:06 am

ForeignAttorney wrote:I am a foreign attorney and not to familiar with the format & scoring. Can someone interpret my scores and suggest improvement areas?

Essay 1: 60.0 .0 60.0
Essay 2: 50.0 .0 60.0
Essay 3: 50.0 .0 60.0
Essay 4: 55.0 .0 60.0
Essay 5: 50.0 .0 60.0
Essay 6: 60.0 .0 60.0
PT A : 55.0 .0 60.0
PT B : 60.0 .0 60.0

Raw Written : 555.0
Scaled Written : 1223.8798
Scale MBE : 1003.0000

TOTAL SCALED SCORE : 1146.5719
Not going to lie, you need to do a lot of work. The passing score is 1440 and you are about 300 points below that. On the bright side, all of your essays and PTs were only a bit below passing most of the time (which is 65). Your MBE needs a lot of work. The One-Timers calculator (not perfect but a good ballpark estimator) puts your score at a rate that says you only got about 49 out of 190 MBE questions right. (*Edit: the table that was provided in the link above puts your raw MBE question count at 73 instead of 49. There is no way to know for sure, but consider that it was somewhere in that range. Because the mean score this cycle was 135 nationwide and 138 in CA, you have a lot of room to improve up to the average.) I would suggest 2 things for you (in my opinion):

1. Hire a tutor to improve your essays to push them over the hurdle into passing territory. California has a specific format to answer the essays in that the graders like to see. When I failed the first time, my tutor walked me through an answer that had all of the law correct, but was not formatted well and was only a 60 instead of 70 simply because I didn't use headings or put everything in a readable order.

2. Sign up with Adaptibar NOW! Start answering a ton of questions and copy all of the wrong answer rules to a spreadsheet to review again later. I'm not sure if or what review course you used, but Adaptibar was head and shoulders above what my review company (Themis) used. Ask around here for an Adaptibar code for a reduced price to sign up.

Again, take what I say with a grain of salt as it's only my opinion, but you have a tough (but not impossible) hill to climb. Don't underestimate that hurdle and focus on beating it. Hit the ground running ASAP and switch things up from what you were doing before as they did not seem to work this time around. Good luck!

(*Edit 2: Numerically, consider that you can shoot for this goal: If you get your MBE up to average, and add 35 points to your raw written score, you would pass.)
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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by MarcZero » Tue May 17, 2016 3:06 am

6TimeFailure wrote:
Californialaw1464 wrote:I got a 1464 Scaled MBE but did not pass the exam :-( What are my options for waiving into any other jurisdiction. For what it matters, I am licensed in a Tribal Court recognized by the State of California. I would prefer to DC. Can this be done?

I believe that MBE scores can only be transferred to other jurisdictions if you pass the whole exam.. So if you failed, you can't transfer your MBE score, even if your MBE score is high enough to waive into a different jrx.

If i am wrong about this, someone please let me know, I have a 1535 scaled MBE
Unfortunately, you are correct. You need to pass to transfer your MBE score. :-(

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Post by rcharter1978 » Tue May 17, 2016 4:31 am

BrokenMouse wrote:
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BlenderBtl90 wrote:
BrokenMouse wrote:I feel like everyone who passed has unsolicited advice to give lol. it could be overwhelming to people studying for it.
Fair enough. People are free to ignore.
Don't worry about it. I think it's great that people are sharing their methods. He's just commenting on the recent flood of advice from passers (and projecting as the guy who created an entirely separate advice topic for himself :lol: :lol:)
lol in fairness i created it in response to requests from at least 3 ppl. but i just hope we're not frustrating/confusing things more for them!
I agree, I specifically asked you to just share your advice in a thread -- because you did pretty well the first time and passed the second. And it has some great advice. I asked Minkrat (?) for their advice too, because that poster had an amazing jump in score from like 1290 to passing.

But I do think that people have to cherry pick their advice, and mostly come to these threads for ideas. Everyone is different in terms of how they study and what works for them.

Some of your ideas for self-study were brand new to me....some of the ideas for timelines were ones that I suspected worked, but I wasn't sure. And your ideas for how to do it all on the cheap was much appreciated.

Thankfully and shockingly I don't have to take it again -- but its great to have all this advice floating around. However, I don't think anyone should take it as gospel, just pick what you think will work for you.

I'm not sure if its a thing, but is there a thread for all this advice to go in? It might be helpful for takers/retakers to be able to go to one thread that has all this information in it instead of having to dig around to find it.....but I don't know, maybe its just too late and I'm not making sense.

BTW -- big shout out to A Male Human you were kind enough to share some materials with me....I can't remember the subject, but I remember it making a difference.

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by rcharter1978 » Tue May 17, 2016 5:34 am

publicservant101 wrote:Warning, i'm in a pretty dark place please don't read if you get triggered,,,




haven't checked my results in California. I'm assuming I failed. I can't face it. It's like knowing you're about to get punched in the face. You're going to get punched in the face. So you try to stall it to keep holding on to that scrap of manufactured hope for as long as possible, because it's been such a good, comforting feeling.

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The last time I failed for the first time I thought about killing myself. I'm too scared of how I will react this time. I don't even want to go to my house for fear the mail has been delivered with my score. I probably need a support network in place before I find out, but I'm even too nervous to tell anyone the results are out.
The day I got back from the exam I shredded my card so I wouldn't be able to look it up.
I know how you feel, and I hated everyone who asked me about the damn bar exam. I know all about the manufactured hope of waiting...your post is giving me all sorts of feels. But think of all the successful people in the world who took the bar multiple times (I would honestly think of those people). Justice Cordozo took it like 5 times....and it must have sucked monkey balls for him at the time, but once he passed it....he went on and became Justice Cordozo! Pete Wilson failed the California Bar three times...and at the time, it probably sucked the most, but he passed the fourth time and went on to become the governor. Focus on the future....what are you going to do to pass this time? What can you do?

I refused to check my scores online, but I knew when I got the fail letter on Monday, I would use it to see if I had at least done better in my writing. If I had done better, I would know that I had at least improved.

And visualize success...what does that look like when you finally pass? What are you going to do? How are you going to treat yourself? Who are you going to call first? Focus on that feeling that you'll have in six months when you get that pass letter in the mail....who are you going to call first? Is there a special someone in your life that you'll have some sweet bar pass sex with? Can you start looking for that person once you pass? How is your life going to move forward once you slay this fucking exam?

Seriously? What are you waiting for?

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