Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 Forum

[meliketoparty]

I have a question about the 2d part of the question: the organ sale. Did anyone say UCC modification only requires Good Faith, not new consideration, but the Business seemed like it might've failed good faith since it said "yeah, we'll lower the price since you're paying up front," but then it spent the contract money & asked for more money (so it was no longer some great bargain). So basically, no good faith, no effective modification, no additional money. That's what I put. I haven't gotten it back yet.

I mentioned that, but the facts certainly don't indicate the CFO said that with any bad faith, so I said if good faith, then modification binding; if not good faith, then not binding. My grader liked that I mentioned both sides of it.

Thanks for the helpful reply

[meliketoparty]

Hi all - just saying hello!

I'm a solicitor in the UK and need to take the UBE for my job - don't have any context for how this all works, so I feel a bit adrift. I'm basically just putting my faith in Themis and hoping for the best.

Started the Constitutional Law lectures today, and - to assist in my study - have had to consult a website (explaining the branches of U.S government) that is specifically for Grade K - 5 kids. Just in case that makes anyone feel a little bit better about themselves ;p

You might want to google "Schoolhouse Rock" - it was an animated sing-along for children that taught basic US government principles - but I can't recall if it dealt more with the legislative process than with Constitutional issues. I totally watched it when I took a Legislative Regulation class (and I'm American). At any rate, it might make you smile.

That's interesting you're taking the UBE for your job - if it's ok, could you describe why your job requires it? Just curious:)

[Nebby]

Hi all - just saying hello!

I'm a solicitor in the UK and need to take the UBE for my job - don't have any context for how this all works, so I feel a bit adrift. I'm basically just putting my faith in Themis and hoping for the best.

Started the Constitutional Law lectures today, and - to assist in my study - have had to consult a website (explaining the branches of U.S government) that is specifically for Grade K - 5 kids. Just in case that makes anyone feel a little bit better about themselves ;p

You might want to google "Schoolhouse Rock" - it was an animated sing-along for children that taught basic US government principles - but I can't recall if it dealt more with the legislative process than with Constitutional issues. I totally watched it when I took a Legislative Regulation class (and I'm American). At any rate, it might make you smile.

That's interesting you're taking the UBE for your job - if it's ok, could you describe why your job requires it? Just curious:)

Probably wants to move from London to NY

[psm11]

Hey guys,

Wanted to see what everyones thoughts on memorizing are? Are you guys starting to memorize now? Was thinking about dedicating Sundays to memorizing BLL because I have a ton of trouble spitting out long rule statements for the essays (and I am told the CA examiners like the full rule). Tried to do the torts essays today cold but had to reference the book because I couldn't remember all the diff elements of some things. Is that to be expected this early on? I figure the more essays I write out the more and more Ill remember. Thanks.

[Vantwins]

Ive basically skipped reviewing the full outlines. Ive been scoring very well on mbe pqs, and have yet to feel that i needed information outside the handout. I hope to go back and make attack sheets from the themis handout, but more as a memorization exercise a few days from first learning the subject.

Am I way off on this?

I think you're right - there is too much info to memorize everything, it's futile. I never cracked open the long outlines when I took/passed VA. If we bomb a handful of MBE questions or miss an issue on an essay, it doesn't need to make or break you. If you know everything on the lecture handouts you'll pass with plenty of room to spare.

[Mayakovsky]

I'm giving up on spending all of my time in the long outlines. It's too time-consuming and I have other resources and methods that are more efficient and likely will help me learn just as well. I'm just kicking myself for wasting so much time already.

[Rahviveh]

I'm giving up on spending all of my time in the long outlines. It's too time-consuming and I have other resources and methods that are more efficient and likely will help me learn just as well. I'm just kicking myself for wasting so much time already.

Big mistake. There's a lot of info you need in the long outlines that you won't find in other places.

[Kragoth180]

Help with a Joint Tenancy Question:

Let's say three bros own a property as joint-tenants with ROS: Bros A, B, and C

B sales his share of the property to A.

This action severs B's interest as part of the joint tenancy.

Issue:

Themis says that now A has a 1/3 interest as a TC, and A is also a JT with C (both of them having 1/3 interests as JT)....

I thought for the JT to survive, there still had to be unity of interest? So, if B sold his interest to A, A's interest in the property would be 2/3... which would kill the JT between A and C. I guess it's possible for A to keep the interests separate?

[PotLuck]

Help with a Joint Tenancy Question:

Let's say three bros own a property as joint-tenants with ROS: Bros A, B, and C

B sales his share of the property to A.

This action severs B's interest as part of the joint tenancy.

Issue:

Themis says that now A has a 1/3 interest as a TC, and A is also a JT with C (both of them having 1/3 interests as JT)....

I thought for the JT to survive, there still had to be unity of interest? So, if B sold his interest to A, A's interest in the property would be 2/3... which would kill the JT between A and C. I guess it's possible for A to keep the interests separate?

In this scenario, i believe the JT is severed with respect to A and B. A and C's interest remain the same with respect to one another. When A purchased the property from B, the JT between them is severed and now A owns 1/3 of the property (B's portion) in TIC with C (the remaining party). For the other 1/3 (A's original interest) A and C's JT remains.

It might help to think of it this way. Lets say instead of A, D buys B's portion. In this situation B now has a TIC with both A and C, but A and C still have a JT with each other.

[Kragoth180]

Help with a Joint Tenancy Question:

Let's say three bros own a property as joint-tenants with ROS: Bros A, B, and C

B sales his share of the property to A.

This action severs B's interest as part of the joint tenancy.

Issue:

Themis says that now A has a 1/3 interest as a TC, and A is also a JT with C (both of them having 1/3 interests as JT)....

I thought for the JT to survive, there still had to be unity of interest? So, if B sold his interest to A, A's interest in the property would be 2/3... which would kill the JT between A and C. I guess it's possible for A to keep the interests separate?

In this scenario, i believe the JT is severed with respect to A and B. A and C's interest remain the same with respect to one another. When A purchased the property from B, the JT between them is severed and now A owns 1/3 of the property (B's portion) in TIC with C (the remaining party). For the other 1/3 (A's original interest) A and C's JT remains.

It might help to think of it this way. Lets say instead of A, D buys B's portion. In this situation B now has a TIC with both A and C, but A and C still have a JT with each other.

Thanks, that makes sense (and the analysis matches the Themis answer). I was confused as to A being able to have both a TIC relationship with C and a JT relationship with C. IMO, Themis really has some tricky questions, haha.

[just_me]

Hi all - just saying hello!

I'm a solicitor in the UK and need to take the UBE for my job - don't have any context for how this all works, so I feel a bit adrift. I'm basically just putting my faith in Themis and hoping for the best.

Started the Constitutional Law lectures today, and - to assist in my study - have had to consult a website (explaining the branches of U.S government) that is specifically for Grade K - 5 kids. Just in case that makes anyone feel a little bit better about themselves ;p

You might want to google "Schoolhouse Rock" - it was an animated sing-along for children that taught basic US government principles - but I can't recall if it dealt more with the legislative process than with Constitutional issues. I totally watched it when I took a Legislative Regulation class (and I'm American). At any rate, it might make you smile.

That's interesting you're taking the UBE for your job - if it's ok, could you describe why your job requires it? Just curious:)

Probably wants to move from London to NY

Thank you so much, I will definitely check it out! I have no pride!!

I actually don't plan to move the States (though I suppose you never know). It's just that I do exclusively media law and so a lot of our clients are based in NY and LA. At the moment there are certain things I can't sign for them etc, so it would be helpful for me to be U.S. qualified (also, we don't really deal with a lot of litigation, but obviously in the event that litigation does arise, it would be essential for me to be U.S. qualified). Hoping all this pain is worth it in the end!

[joshhoward]

crimlaw lady has her sh*t together. best lecturer so far, imo.

[unidentifiable]

not guilty wrote:
does themis have short outlines and full outlines? I'm only seeing 1 option online.

aren't the FRO's short outlines? then the book/online outlines are the long ones. and then the handouts are in between. But i haven't looked at the FROs.

the FROs are pretty great. solid for short review. I'll definitely be using them. I wish there was a way i could get a pdf and print them out, rather than use the huge book.

edit: just got a Themis message with the UBE MEE FROs. kind of cool. still want those other ones though, lol.

[unidentifiable]

crimlaw lady has her sh*t together. best lecturer so far, imo.

yeah, she's good. but she was not as good with crim pro. skipped around on those blanks. was still to get them, but she didn't spoonfeed.

[Nebby]

crimlaw lady has her sh*t together. best lecturer so far, imo.

I'm starting her today. Looking forward to it!

[FSK]

I'm giving up on spending all of my time in the long outlines. It's too time-consuming and I have other resources and methods that are more efficient and likely will help me learn just as well. I'm just kicking myself for wasting so much time already.

Big mistake. There's a lot of info you need in the long outlines that you won't find in other places.

Seems like we have a real split in opinion. But what could those outlines really have? Are we going to expect 10 MBE questions on the rules on auctioning (that you couldn't intuit from the general common law?)

[Nebby]

Control F the long outlines bros, damn. They're super efficient

[meliketoparty]

Hi all - just saying hello!

I'm a solicitor in the UK and need to take the UBE for my job - don't have any context for how this all works, so I feel a bit adrift. I'm basically just putting my faith in Themis and hoping for the best.

Started the Constitutional Law lectures today, and - to assist in my study - have had to consult a website (explaining the branches of U.S government) that is specifically for Grade K - 5 kids. Just in case that makes anyone feel a little bit better about themselves ;p

You might want to google "Schoolhouse Rock" - it was an animated sing-along for children that taught basic US government principles - but I can't recall if it dealt more with the legislative process than with Constitutional issues. I totally watched it when I took a Legislative Regulation class (and I'm American). At any rate, it might make you smile.

That's interesting you're taking the UBE for your job - if it's ok, could you describe why your job requires it? Just curious:)

Probably wants to move from London to NY

Thank you so much, I will definitely check it out! I have no pride!!

I actually don't plan to move the States (though I suppose you never know). It's just that I do exclusively media law and so a lot of our clients are based in NY and LA. At the moment there are certain things I can't sign for them etc, so it would be helpful for me to be U.S. qualified (also, we don't really deal with a lot of litigation, but obviously in the event that litigation does arise, it would be essential for me to be U.S. qualified). Hoping all this pain is worth it in the end!

Interesting! Thanks for the response:)

[Nebby]

Torts PQs make me feel better about myself after K and Property PQs

[ndp1234]

Torts PQs make me feel better about myself after K and Property PQs

I know, isn't that something? Torts was my worst 1L subject, now for the bar, it's my best.

[Virindi]

the FROs are pretty great. solid for short review. I'll definitely be using them. I wish there was a way i could get a pdf and print them out, rather than use the huge book.
.

i tore up the book today so I could have individual 12 page outlines of each subject. no regrets

[ndp1234]

Q about the graded Torts essay -

[+] Spoiler

Where in our materials was the rule for psychiatrists and a duty to report? Was it just a standard of care issue, or was it a duty to report issue

I made up a rule that I vaguely remembered from 1L torts. Seems like the Themis answer conflated the two?

[Vantwins]

I am really getting nothing done today, I can't concentrate! I've got to at least do the grades essay so I don't have that hanging over my head.

[unidentifiable]

I am really getting nothing done today, I can't concentrate! I've got to at least do the grades essay so I don't have that hanging over my head.

focus up for 30 minutes and bang it out, take the rest of the day off. no sense studying when your mind is jumbled. mental health days are important.

[NoLongerALurker]

Q about the graded Torts essay -

[+] Spoiler

Where in our materials was the rule for psychiatrists and a duty to report? Was it just a standard of care issue, or was it a duty to report issue

I made up a rule that I vaguely remembered from 1L torts. Seems like the Themis answer conflated the two?

It was in the long outline specifically.

[+] Spoiler

Ctrl-f 'psychiatrist' -- she had duty to client, and only had duty to third party (to warn, specifically) if the threat was credible as seen from the standpoint of a reasonable psych