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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by minkylowlife » Sun May 15, 2016 11:57 pm

aunt_pearl wrote:
The first thing I did when I found out was email my law firm's coordinator. I asked him if I may take it again. He was very nice and said my boss will understand, and as long as I pass in July, everything will be okay. Your boss will understand. Ask him for another chance, and this time, you can work on the little things, like formatting and details.
Thanks

I'm not so worried about my current job per se. No one needs a license at a B4. It's just that they pay me 74k to live in Palo Alto, with over a quarter mil of debt. And I feel liek I can't look for anything else until I have the bar.

I jsut... I don't know how to move forward from here. I'm in so much pain it's incredible. I feel like giving up all together.
Get on Income-Based Repayment as soon as you can, if possible. $74k isn't anything to sneeze at, even in Palo Alto (I live in the Bay and make $36k and have the same debt).

Most people on this thread have been through the same thing, so just know that - yeah, it sucks. It hurts like a mother and will keep hurting for months. BUT you're going to survive this. You're going to make it through with new learning strategies and be able to say you conquered something horrible. Take a few days to grieve for what could have been, and then knuckle down and plow through it. You can do this. You can have a rough few months and emerge on the other side.

Don't give up. Don't let those CBX sadists win. It's a stupid song and dance they're making you do but you know what? The best revenge is success.

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Post by a male human » Mon May 16, 2016 12:15 am

Is it feasible to move to a cheaper area away from Palo Alto and commute a bit longer?

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Post by aunt_pearl » Mon May 16, 2016 12:21 am

a male human wrote:Is it feasible to move to a cheaper area away from Palo Alto and commute a bit longer?
Yes and no.

I will likely be living in San Jose. But I don't really know if that is affordable, as they do not pay for parking.

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Post by Whizzpopper » Mon May 16, 2016 12:24 am

aunt_pearl wrote:
The first thing I did when I found out was email my law firm's coordinator. I asked him if I may take it again. He was very nice and said my boss will understand, and as long as I pass in July, everything will be okay. Your boss will understand. Ask him for another chance, and this time, you can work on the little things, like formatting and details.
Thanks

I'm not so worried about my current job per se. No one needs a license at a B4. It's just that they pay me 74k to live in Palo Alto, with over a quarter mil of debt. And I feel liek I can't look for anything else until I have the bar.

I jsut... I don't know how to move forward from here. I'm in so much pain it's incredible. I feel like giving up all together.
Are you ok, aunt_pearl? I'm going through the same thing. Please please don't talk about "giving up all together." We'll get through it.

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Whizzpopper wrote:Please please don't talk about "giving up all together." We'll get through it.
This too.

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Post by zenotheelder » Mon May 16, 2016 1:02 am

I passed, 2nd time. For what it's worth, here's my advice:

MBE's:

Obviously, practicing and reading the explanations is the best way to get better at these. I studied with BarBri, and I've seen a lot of complaints on here about the BarBri MBE questions, but they worked for me, even the first time. In July, I failed every essay and both PT's, but still almost passed because of a good MBE score. If you can good at these, they can give you an edge. Also, they take out the subjective component inherent in essay grading. There's only one answer, so if you get it, no one can give you a different score based on their interpretation.

I think barbri's questions are designed to be a little more difficult than the actual questions. They also give a lot of tricks in the CMR and videos (i.e., how to narrow down answers, answers that are always wrong, etc.). Also, they taught me to do this:

-For both morning and afternoon sessions, set your watch to noon. It will be easier to keep track of the time, as one hour = 1:00, 2 hours = 2:00, etc., and helps with the next step.

-As soon as the test starts, go through and write 12:30 next to question 17, 1:00 next to question 35, 1:30 next to question 52, 2:00 next to question 70, 2:30 next to 85 (i think). If you keep to this schedule, it should give you the time you need.

-If you get to any of the milestones and you're more than 5 minutes behind, only use 1 minute per question until you get back on track on the next milestone.

-I think he also said to start guessing when you have 2 minutes left, in case your clock is out of sync with theirs.

ESSAY's:

Again, practice is best, but also read the model answers. I mean the model answers from the bar prep, not the model answers by test takers. Barbri's model answers are updated and legally accurate, so they can be used as substantive review as well. Test takers' model answers can be used to learn the structure and what they're looking for. I read the entire essay book for barbri, every question and every model answer, even though I didn't actually do as many practice essays as I should have. It helps you understand how your answer should look, and it's good substantive review, which can be easier to memorize as it's basically in the form of a story. Just keep in mind that you won't have time to write answers like that, so practice getting it in the same format and hitting the issues, knowing you won't be able to get as much text in.

PT's:

Not really sure how to practice for these. I didn't really do much practice with PT's because I had limited time and didn't want to practice something that did not help with substantive review. But maybe practice reading and outlining in 90 minutes? Also, I sort of came up with a good way to outline. I wrote numbers (i.e., 1, 2, 3, etc.) next to important parts as I was reading the materials and summarizing the cases. Then when I started my outline, instead of writing things out, I could just insert the number where it goes, so my outline was simpler. I don't know. PT's were hard for me, so do what works for you.

MISCELLANEOUS:

-Study 50 minutes, then 10 minute break

-If you watch videos, watch them in 1.5x or 2x speed (google chrome did not give this option, but IE did)

-The process of making your own flashcards helps with memorization

ADVICE:

Bear in mind that getting licensed is a process. Whether that process is studying for a couple months and passing the first time, or taking it more than once, it's a process. As long as you don't give up and learn from your mistakes, you'll probably improve each time, until you pass, like other processes.

If this is your first time being unsuccessful, keep in mind that your scores will tell you a ton. It is very valuable information. Getting your essays back is helpful too. For me, by the time I got them back, I had read dozens of model answers, and thought, "Wow, no wonder I got such bad essay scores. These are terrible." Even though I thought some of them were great as I was writing them during the exam.

Also keep in mind that this board is full of people that have gone through this before, sometimes multiple times, and have emerged victorious on the other end. Everyone is here to help, and everyone is rooting for you to pass.

One thing I've learned about not passing the first time is that this can be a huge character building experience. I was not used to doing poorly on standardized exams. But it teaches you about who you are and what you're made of, teaches some humility, and overall makes you a better person. It's a valuable experience like anything else in life. Own it, learn from it, and let it be part of your life story. I was looking at the bar profiles for the attorneys I used to work with, and their licensing dates were all over the map. I suspect that a lot more attorneys you encounter have gone through this than you realize, even if they don't talk about it. And at the end of the day, it's something "first timers" will never have (Although they can have other character building experiences. Not knocking them!).

Here's a great quote I found that sums up some things I had going through my mind the last few months:

“No human ever became interesting by not failing. The more you fail and recover and improve, the better you are as a person. Ever meet someone who’s always had everything work out for them with zero struggle? They usually have the depth of a puddle. Or they don’t exist.” - Chris Hardwick
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newusername wrote:Anyone have an adaptibar code? Thanks! :]
Hi, newusername! I like your name. :P I sent you a private message. :)

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Post by poorunfortunatesoul » Mon May 16, 2016 3:05 pm

aunt_pearl wrote:
The first thing I did when I found out was email my law firm's coordinator. I asked him if I may take it again. He was very nice and said my boss will understand, and as long as I pass in July, everything will be okay. Your boss will understand. Ask him for another chance, and this time, you can work on the little things, like formatting and details.
Thanks

I'm not so worried about my current job per se. No one needs a license at a B4. It's just that they pay me 74k to live in Palo Alto, with over a quarter mil of debt. And I feel liek I can't look for anything else until I have the bar.

I jsut... I don't know how to move forward from here. I'm in so much pain it's incredible. I feel like giving up all together.
Dear aunt_pearl, I'm sorry you're in so much pain. Trust me that many people on here (myself included) understand that pain. Feel free to PM me if you just want to vent to someone who understands. While supportive family and friends are great, it sometimes helps just knowing that you sit in the same boat as others! And I know many on these threads went on to succeed!

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Post by catechumen » Mon May 16, 2016 3:16 pm

This test is not fair! Let me say it again, this test is not fair! If it was fair CA's Bar would be comparable to every other state bar. Yet CA has a harder bar than anywhere else in the country. I doubt CA lawyers do any better in court than lawyers from other jurisdictions.

So we need to get this through our head. I suspect they want us to lose. I suspect they want to fail you, or at least a lot of you. You are only deluding yourself if you think the people at the CA Bar have your best interest at heart. They don't! They are heartless, end of story. So it's time to stick it to them. The best way to do that is to pass.

As far as I am concerned the people who run the bar exam belong in the 7th Level of Hell along with Hitler, Stalin, and people who chew gum while taking. You know who you are. :D

That said, I am not going to let it beat me. I suspect their ultimate goal is to scare you away. I suspect the soulless creeps at the Bar know that if they can scare you away from taking it again, they win. On an infinite time scale anyone can pass this test. If I have to take it 100 times I will. It won't come to that, but I will.

Now that is out of the way I will take a day to reflect. Then hit the books hard. July is not that far away, the 'bad guys' can't always win.

Oh and if anyone still has bar materials they want to get rid of them. I promise to use them well. :)

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Post by publicservant101 » Mon May 16, 2016 3:22 pm

Warning, i'm in a pretty dark place please don't read if you get triggered,,,




haven't checked my results in California. I'm assuming I failed. I can't face it. It's like knowing you're about to get punched in the face. You're going to get punched in the face. So you try to stall it to keep holding on to that scrap of manufactured hope for as long as possible, because it's been such a good, comforting feeling.

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The last time I failed for the first time I thought about killing myself. I'm too scared of how I will react this time. I don't even want to go to my house for fear the mail has been delivered with my score. I probably need a support network in place before I find out, but I'm even too nervous to tell anyone the results are out.
The day I got back from the exam I shredded my card so I wouldn't be able to look it up.

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publicservant101 wrote:Warning, i'm in a pretty dark place please don't read if you get triggered,,,




haven't checked my results in California. I'm assuming I failed. I can't face it. It's like knowing you're about to get punched in the face. You're going to get punched in the face. So you try to stall it to keep holding on to that scrap of manufactured hope for as long as possible, because it's been such a good, comforting feeling.

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The last time I failed for the first time I thought about killing myself. I'm too scared of how I will react this time. I don't even want to go to my house for fear the mail has been delivered with my score. I probably need a support network in place before I find out, but I'm even too nervous to tell anyone the results are out.
The day I got back from the exam I shredded my card so I wouldn't be able to look it up.
It might be like knowing you're about to get punched in the face, but it's better to get it over with (the proverbial ripping off the bandage) rather than stalling with hope.

Now, I don't know your situation w/r/t debt, expectations, etc., and I do believe that you're going through a hard time, but there are things that are much worse. Can you think of 5-10? (1. You could be a graduate of an unaccredited school instead of UCLA.) If you're aware of trigger warnings, you're probably aware of checking your privilege.

Also, people have failed and gone on to other jobs (one of the paralegals here is a JD). I know people who have passed and still gone on to other careers. Not the end of the world.

I think about killing myself often but never go through with it, even though I've put blade to skin before 12 years ago (scar still there). I don't know how serious you were last time. But for me, it's just a childish fantasy like "wish I didn't exist anymore, that'll show them" or "I want to be reborn" or "it would be great if a meteor smashed into the Earth."

So I hope your suicidal thoughts were temporary and you're just going through an emotional time. Just check it (someone remind us how to find your number if you lost your card?). The earlier you find out you failed (assuming you did fail), the earlier you can prepare and win next time.

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Re: California February 2016 Bar Exam (Westside For Life)

Post by BrokenMouse » Mon May 16, 2016 3:45 pm

Friends, if you are a repeater, and youve done a bar prep program in good faith and didnt make it, I sincerely believe you need to do something different starting right now. Bar prep programs are one size fits all. It works for a significant number of people but still less than half will pass. You may not want to read my long guide below, but if you take nothing else from here, just know this: 1) you need a healthy, new mindset. know that this is just a test and know that many have passed before you and after you who are not as smart as you. This shows this test is all about just mastering the method not necessarily your lawyering skills.

2) and most importantly, you must do a ton of practice essays. I did about 120-150 essay outlining. You don't need to do them fully just do issue spotting and say outloud if you can recite the rules. By doing this many I really felt like there were no surprises. I've looked at just about every issue ever tested and that goes a long way in at least being familiar with whatever issue they throw at you so that you can BS better. Practice and being exposed to past exams is key because this exam is entirely methodical and predictable.

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Post by 2TimesTheCharm » Mon May 16, 2016 3:48 pm

publicservant101 wrote:Warning, i'm in a pretty dark place please don't read if you get triggered,,,




haven't checked my results in California. I'm assuming I failed. I can't face it. It's like knowing you're about to get punched in the face. You're going to get punched in the face. So you try to stall it to keep holding on to that scrap of manufactured hope for as long as possible, because it's been such a good, comforting feeling.

Trigger Warning:
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The last time I failed for the first time I thought about killing myself. I'm too scared of how I will react this time. I don't even want to go to my house for fear the mail has been delivered with my score. I probably need a support network in place before I find out, but I'm even too nervous to tell anyone the results are out.
The day I got back from the exam I shredded my card so I wouldn't be able to look it up.
Whatever happens, it will be okay. Remind yourself that the worst possible outcome is having to take the bar again. It's just another test, and you seem like a good person. If nothing else, try to see things on a larger scale. One of my friends passed the bar on her first try, and she spent the following weekend in a hospital because one of her parents is dying. Would she trade her bar passage for two healthy parents? Absolutely. She would probably trade anything for that. So, if not passing the February bar is our biggest problem, then we can consider ourselves lucky. Don't let those people at the CA bar impact your life in any meaningful way. You will pass, whether this time or next time, and someday you will be a great lawyer regardless of what the bar graders think.

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Post by catechumen » Mon May 16, 2016 3:54 pm

It's going to be ok. This test is not that important. But like I said, I suspect these people are trying to break you and me. I ran in to it all the time in the military. They may not tell us we are worthless, but by failing us the way they do they might as well. The way to get through this is to know you can beat them.

The secret is you can take it as many times as you want. This is not other states where you need a letter from another Lawyer to take it a 4th time or whatever. And good luck getting that...

Having seen your posts in the past I know you are stand up guy. You can beat this thing, just don't give up.

If you ever want to exchange essays or study together let me know. I got your back. I would even be open to doing a big skype review session if anyone is game. At this point we should combine our resources.

Like I said if any of you are interested in doing a skype call to review let me know. Combining resources is the best chance we have to beat this thing.



publicservant101 wrote:Warning, i'm in a pretty dark place please don't read if you get triggered,,,




haven't checked my results in California. I'm assuming I failed. I can't face it. It's like knowing you're about to get punched in the face. You're going to get punched in the face. So you try to stall it to keep holding on to that scrap of manufactured hope for as long as possible, because it's been such a good, comforting feeling.

Trigger Warning:
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The last time I failed for the first time I thought about killing myself. I'm too scared of how I will react this time. I don't even want to go to my house for fear the mail has been delivered with my score. I probably need a support network in place before I find out, but I'm even too nervous to tell anyone the results are out.
The day I got back from the exam I shredded my card so I wouldn't be able to look it up.

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catechumen wrote:
Like I said if any of you are interested in doing a skype call to review let me know. Combining resources is the best chance we have to beat this thing.


I might take you up on that. If anyone is interested in reviewing together, we could get a google hangout review session going.

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Great! Is anyone else interested? The more people we can get the better.

2TimesTheCharm wrote:
catechumen wrote:
Like I said if any of you are interested in doing a skype call to review let me know. Combining resources is the best chance we have to beat this thing.


I might take you up on that. If anyone is interested in reviewing together, we could get a google hangout review session going.

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Oh, I almost forgot!

If anyone has essay answers they'd be willing to donate from previous exams, could you please PM me? It's a great way to give back to the community and help future generations.

It's gonna go up in this free essay bank I have: http://www.makethisyourlasttime.com/essay-bank/

I'll also check in again once answers for February start rolling in.
catechumen wrote:Great! Is anyone else interested? The more people we can get the better.

2TimesTheCharm wrote:
catechumen wrote:
Like I said if any of you are interested in doing a skype call to review let me know. Combining resources is the best chance we have to beat this thing.


I might take you up on that. If anyone is interested in reviewing together, we could get a google hangout review session going.
I might pop in to talk a bit if you're cool with it, depending on the time.

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Post by aunt_pearl » Mon May 16, 2016 4:14 pm

2TimesTheCharm wrote:
catechumen wrote:
Like I said if any of you are interested in doing a skype call to review let me know. Combining resources is the best chance we have to beat this thing.


I might take you up on that. If anyone is interested in reviewing together, we could get a google hangout review session going.
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BrokenMouse wrote:Friends, if you are a repeater, and youve done a bar prep program in good faith and didnt make it, I sincerely believe you need to do something different starting right now. Bar prep programs are one size fits all. It works for a significant number of people but still less than half will pass. You may not want to read my long guide below, but if you take nothing else from here, just know this: 1) you need a healthy, new mindset. know that this is just a test and know that many have passed before you and after you who are not as smart as you. This shows this test is all about just mastering the method not necessarily your lawyering skills.

2) and most importantly, you must do a ton of practice essays. I did about 120-150 essay outlining. You don't need to do them fully just do issue spotting and say outloud if you can recite the rules. By doing this many I really felt like there were no surprises. I've looked at just about every issue ever tested and that goes a long way in at least being familiar with whatever issue they throw at you so that you can BS better. Practice and being exposed to past exams is key because this exam is entirely methodical and predictable.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=263999
Printed your guide over the weekend and will reflect on my approach this week. Will be getting Barbri access from the guarantee; however, will adjust my study methods this time.

Also, was surprised to get my scores today, given that I live in the Midwest. Overall 1381.3933 (just Atty bar). Even more surprised that I got 75 on both reads for essay 1. Of course it went downhill from there. Did I come out of the gate like gang busters and then fizzle or was that an anomaly? Can't wait to get my packet back to review.

Rest of scores:

Essay 2: 55; 3: 57.5; 4: 55 (had brain freeze); 5: 55; 6: 57.5; PT A: 62.5; B: 60.

It pained me to pay that $983 fee again. I'll have to drown my sorrows in Paris this week (was supposed to be a celebratory trip) and clear my head before restarting on May 25.

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Post by publicservant101 » Mon May 16, 2016 5:22 pm

Thank you everyone for the support. I went home with full intention of opening up my mail but I guess they are running later.

I've already decided to skip July bc I can't stomach the thought of another Thursday bar exam :)

I feel like I'm better able to breathe and thank you guys for that. This is an excruciating process and when you're susceptible to severe depression and anxiety like I am...Just makes me wanna go back to school to study botany or something! If everyone else can hang in there I've decided I'm going to hang in there too.

Offhand a friend who didn't know I took the bar asked me why I looked so stressed out today. I told him I was waiting for some news that I was 99% sure was bad, and I was avoiding it. He got really concerned and asked if I had been to the doctor recently. I was confused for a second and realized he thought I was talking about a potential cancer diagnosis or something equally serious. What a perspective shift. I found myself trying to imagine what waiting on news like THAT must feel like. This really is just a test, in comparison.

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publicservant101 wrote:Thank you everyone for the support. I went home with full intention of opening up my mail but I guess they are running later.

I've already decided to skip July bc I can't stomach the thought of another Thursday bar exam :)

I feel like I'm better able to breathe and thank you guys for that. This is an excruciating process and when you're susceptible to severe depression and anxiety like I am...Just makes me wanna go back to school to study botany or something! If everyone else can hang in there I've decided I'm going to hang in there too.

Offhand a friend who didn't know I took the bar asked me why I looked so stressed out today. I told him I was waiting for some news that I was 99% sure was bad, and I was avoiding it. He got really concerned and asked if I had been to the doctor recently. I was confused for a second and realized he thought I was talking about a potential cancer diagnosis or something equally serious. What a perspective shift. I found myself trying to imagine what waiting on news like THAT must feel like. This really is just a test, in comparison.
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I got my score as well. I failed because of the MBE, so I will study that.

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Post by Zebra » Mon May 16, 2016 5:48 pm

does anyone know how to interpret scores?

Seriously? What are you waiting for?

Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!


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