Barbri paced program question? Forum

[peanut123]

Re: essays - I have one that was due June 12 and I have not submitted; it is still an option to upload. Maybe they expire at some point though?

[lmr]

Re: essays - I have one that was due June 12 and I have not submitted; it is still an option to upload. Maybe they expire at some point though?

Just email barbri directly and ask. I have been submitting all of mine on time but will email them and ask them to grade an extra PT for me-I've heard from many people that they will grade an extra essay if you ask them.

[MoneyMay]

Did they actually grade your essays? Mine was literally "You should look at the model answer in the book..." over and over and so I haven't submitted anymore.

[lmr]

Did they actually grade your essays? Mine was literally "You should look at the model answer in the book..." over and over and so I haven't submitted anymore.

All of mine were graded with the normal CA essay scale and I got decent comments throughout. Maybe it depends on your state and how much emphasis is put on the essay/PT portion vs the MBE? From reading these boards I expected a reply like the one you received so I was definitely surprised.

[MoneyMay]

Did they actually grade your essays? Mine was literally "You should look at the model answer in the book..." over and over and so I haven't submitted anymore.

All of mine were graded with the normal CA essay scale and I got decent comments throughout. Maybe it depends on your state and how much emphasis is put on the essay/PT portion vs the MBE? From reading these boards I expected a reply like the one you received so I was definitely surprised.

I'm FL and the essays are sorta important (25%) but I also know the grading in FL is a joke compared to CA from what I understand. Anyway, don't care as long as I pass!

[LouEVille]

So, explanation for an MBE question says that co-conspirators are liable for murder if the death was caused in furtherance of the conspiracy and was a foreseeable consequence of the conspiracy. That's cool. But the "flavor" of murder that their co-conspirator supposedly committed was felony-murder, and the co-conspirator was not guilty of robbery, which would have been the dangerous felony to which felony-murder "attached." I know that a valid defense to the underlying felony is a defense to felony-murder, so why would the co-conspirators be guilty of felony-murder if the person who actually carried out the crime would be not guilty of the underlying felony?

[nonprofit-prophet]

Anyone else getting some super arbitrary essay grades? I put zero time into my first essay and got a 21/25. I actually learned the law for my last essay, wrote an essay that was almost identical to the model answer and got a 13/25. One of the reasons being that I didn't include a discussion of some recent state supreme court case on family law.

[lmr]

So, explanation for an MBE question says that co-conspirators are liable for murder if the death was caused in furtherance of the conspiracy and was a foreseeable consequence of the conspiracy. That's cool. But the "flavor" of murder that their co-conspirator supposedly committed was felony-murder, and the co-conspirator was not guilty of robbery, which would have been the dangerous felony to which felony-murder "attached." I know that a valid defense to the underlying felony is a defense to felony-murder, so why would the co-conspirators be guilty of felony-murder if the person who actually carried out the crime would be not guilty of the underlying felony?

You need to cite to a question/source bc your question in this bubble makes no sense.

[jd20132013]

why didn't I see that Desert Fox autopass thread earlier? I could have taken a state where that actually works. dont know how the hell i'm going to learn this stuff

[ap1987]

Am I just getting dumber or are these online MBE PDF questions are lame, both in format and substance? Just did a flaming hot 9/18 on Con Law Set B.

I did badly on that set as well. I feel like several of the questions on that question set in particular covered topics outside the lecture material.

[adonai]

Decided to practice some real MBEs and, contrary to what most say on here, found them just as hard if not harder than the barbri questions. I'm so screwed. The real ones are slightly more clearly written, but still just as difficult.

[MoneyMay]

Decided to practice some real MBEs and, contrary to what most say on here, found them just as hard if not harder than the barbri questions. I'm so screwed.

They definitely have a different flavor to them and hit at different angles. If it makes you feel any better, when I started on Adaptibar I was getting killed and now I am right where I was on BarBri... Just be thankful you are practicing with real questions now and not waiting till the exam like a lot of people will!

[mvpforme]

I feel so lost right now. I'm doing fine on the MBE stuff, but I am getting killed on my state's (midwest) essay topics. I seriously only know what to put down half the time. Moments ago I encountered a crim law essay with 2/3 questions concerning crimes not covered in any of my Barbri Crim law lecture, CMR or the Barbri state supplemental materials. Welp.

[ph14]

I feel so lost right now. I'm doing fine on the MBE stuff, but I am getting killed on my state's (midwest) essay topics. I seriously only know what to put down half the time. Moments ago I encountered a crim law essay with 2/3 questions concerning crimes not covered in any of my Barbri Crim law lecture, CMR or the Barbri state supplemental materials. Welp.

I think that's how a lot of us feel, or at least how I feel. I do fine on the MBE for the most part, but just the sheer amount of knowledge required for the essays is tough, especially the state distinctions. I can kind of give the gist of the idea of the rule, but my rule statements aren't very precise, or I can remember only some or all of the elements of the test.

[lmr]

I feel so lost right now. I'm doing fine on the MBE stuff, but I am getting killed on my state's (midwest) essay topics. I seriously only know what to put down half the time. Moments ago I encountered a crim law essay with 2/3 questions concerning crimes not covered in any of my Barbri Crim law lecture, CMR or the Barbri state supplemental materials. Welp.

Really? That's surprising-I find the CMR usually has too much info. What kind of crimes? Was it a real past exam or a barbri drafted essay?

[adonai]

I feel so lost right now. I'm doing fine on the MBE stuff, but I am getting killed on my state's (midwest) essay topics. I seriously only know what to put down half the time. Moments ago I encountered a crim law essay with 2/3 questions concerning crimes not covered in any of my Barbri Crim law lecture, CMR or the Barbri state supplemental materials. Welp.

I think that's how a lot of us feel, or at least how I feel. I do fine on the MBE for the most part, but just the sheer amount of knowledge required for the essays is tough, especially the state distinctions. I can kind of give the gist of the idea of the rule, but my rule statements aren't very precise, or I can remember only some or all of the elements of the test.

I feel the exact opposite. For me the mbe seems to require you know the exact detail of the law, whereas for the essays you can know the general concept and formulate the law and get by. The mbe seems much tougher to do well on based off just feeling and issue spotting alone. You either know the law and answer or you don't, but for essays ypu have wide latitude to redeem or explain yourself..

[ph14]

I feel so lost right now. I'm doing fine on the MBE stuff, but I am getting killed on my state's (midwest) essay topics. I seriously only know what to put down half the time. Moments ago I encountered a crim law essay with 2/3 questions concerning crimes not covered in any of my Barbri Crim law lecture, CMR or the Barbri state supplemental materials. Welp.

I think that's how a lot of us feel, or at least how I feel. I do fine on the MBE for the most part, but just the sheer amount of knowledge required for the essays is tough, especially the state distinctions. I can kind of give the gist of the idea of the rule, but my rule statements aren't very precise, or I can remember only some or all of the elements of the test.

I feel the exact opposite. For me the mbe seems to require you know the exact detail of the law, whereas for the essays you can know the general concept and formulate the law and get by.

That's definitely reasonable. I think we just have different strengths/weaknesses. For me, it's memorizing everything. I can get my memory jogged by the MBE question to try and remember the rule, or at least knock out 3 wrong answers.

[mvpforme]

I feel so lost right now. I'm doing fine on the MBE stuff, but I am getting killed on my state's (midwest) essay topics. I seriously only know what to put down half the time. Moments ago I encountered a crim law essay with 2/3 questions concerning crimes not covered in any of my Barbri Crim law lecture, CMR or the Barbri state supplemental materials. Welp.

Really? That's surprising-I find the CMR usually has too much info. What kind of crimes? Was it a real past exam or a barbri drafted essay?

Actual exam from two years ago. The crimes were drug crimes that I also did not really learn in Crim.

[adonai]

I feel so lost right now. I'm doing fine on the MBE stuff, but I am getting killed on my state's (midwest) essay topics. I seriously only know what to put down half the time. Moments ago I encountered a crim law essay with 2/3 questions concerning crimes not covered in any of my Barbri Crim law lecture, CMR or the Barbri state supplemental materials. Welp.

I think that's how a lot of us feel, or at least how I feel. I do fine on the MBE for the most part, but just the sheer amount of knowledge required for the essays is tough, especially the state distinctions. I can kind of give the gist of the idea of the rule, but my rule statements aren't very precise, or I can remember only some or all of the elements of the test.

I feel the exact opposite. For me the mbe seems to require you know the exact detail of the law, whereas for the essays you can know the general concept and formulate the law and get by.

That's definitely reasonable. I think we just have different strengths/weaknesses. For me, it's memorizing everything. I can get my memory jogged by the MBE question to try and remember the rule, or at least knock out 3 wrong answers.

Yeah I am definitely the exception around here. I don't think many people fail because of a bad mbe score, but people who do well on the mbe almost always seem to pass. The essays I feel are much more forgiving just because of the nature of it. Mbe will give you a yes or no type answer, causing you to get it completely right or wrong. Essays allow you to circumvent that by saying yes because.... or no because...and you can still get partial credit if some of it is at least right.

[Stringer6]

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[Helpful]

Decided to practice some real MBEs and, contrary to what most say on here, found them just as hard if not harder than the barbri questions. I'm so screwed. The real ones are slightly more clearly written, but still just as difficult.

Just curious -- which source are you using for these?

[MissLucky]

Decided to practice some real MBEs and, contrary to what most say on here, found them just as hard if not harder than the barbri questions. I'm so screwed. The real ones are slightly more clearly written, but still just as difficult.

Just curious -- which source are you using for these?

curious as well. and why doesn't barbri offer real MBE questions?

[adonai]

Decided to practice some real MBEs and, contrary to what most say on here, found them just as hard if not harder than the barbri questions. I'm so screwed. The real ones are slightly more clearly written, but still just as difficult.

Just curious -- which source are you using for these?

curious as well. and why doesn't barbri offer real MBE questions?

I was using emmanuels but barbri also has real mbes on their website. Look on the mbe section on barbris website

[jaydizzle]

Can you take the simulated MBE on a different day than the day scheduled? Mine is scheduled for tomorrow, and I see there is a place to put answers online. I am asking because my schedule might be crazy tomorrow and Tuesday would work a lot better than tomorrow.

[ph14]

Decided to practice some real MBEs and, contrary to what most say on here, found them just as hard if not harder than the barbri questions. I'm so screwed. The real ones are slightly more clearly written, but still just as difficult.

Just curious -- which source are you using for these?

curious as well. and why doesn't barbri offer real MBE questions?

I was using emmanuels but barbri also has real mbes on their website. Look on the mbe section on barbris website

FWIW, I am also working through the Emanuel's book with extra MBE questions and I feel like they are a tad bit easier than the Barbri questions. I've been scoring about 10-20% better on them than I did on the Barbri simulated MBE. I feel like the Barbri questions often test you on a couple of rules that you have to know independently, and not knowing one or the other means you're probably going to miss the question, while the Emanuel's book seems to test you mainly on one rule at a time for the most part. Though, another explanation for my improvement is just i've learned more since I took the simulated MBE last week.