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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by AussieAustin » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:41 pm

strawberrieee wrote:
Anon2468 wrote:I've plowed through tons and tons of MBE questions, and now i'm doubting whether that was a smart use of my time/energy.
My Themis person sent a message to people in my state that "you should not feel compelled to complete every set of PQs assigned at the expense of foregoing substantive learning. If you have completed more than 1000 MBE PQs plus the 300 questions from the Milestone Exams, you have likely done enough."

I now focus my energy and time on the essays, which make me more nervous than the MBE.
This makes total sense to me. I've now done over 2000 MBE questions (I did a lot of quiz builders) and still have the 4th practice exam to go. I've also purchased the NCBE practice exams which I'll do, but other than that, I feel like doing more is just overkill. I'm either going to get discouraged when I get questions wrong or just burn out from it. Instead I think I'll focus on a topic per subject that I've struggled with and go over the actual law. Things like delivery and recording of deeds (which I suck at). I have so many essay topics to master also with the Texas essays so I'm going to TRY and get through one-two essay topics a day. Going over past exams to spot the issues and then drilling the actual law. I don't see the point in focusing on applying the law so much with past essays since the questions on the day will be different.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by CR2019 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:58 pm

Anyone else get killed by that secured transactions essay with the clocks/vacuums?
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The rules about priorities for PMSIs in inventory vs. previously perfected security interest are so hyper-specific. I completely whiffed on them.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by Dunnkirk85 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:46 pm

CR2019 wrote:Anyone else get killed by that secured transactions essay with the clocks/vacuums?
[+] Spoiler
The rules about priorities for PMSIs in inventory vs. previously perfected security interest are so hyper-specific. I completely whiffed on them.
Terrible. The one after was even worse.The model answer was outrageous on it. No kidding I would get a 1 or maybe a 2 if I’m lucky on either of those. Praying no Secured shows up on the MEE.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by Dunnkirk85 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:52 pm

Also I disagree with the above. The exceptions to the general rules are important for the exam and the real exam isn’t just going to test the big picture. It’s building blocks. You get the foundational rules in the 5 subject sets and now you’re building on those basic rules with new exceptions in mixed questions. Bar Bri students are doing the same thing. I would definitely go back and make sure you have a firm grasp of the basics before doing the mixed sets because I don’t see how they would be particularly helpful without the base knowledge.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by HairySmokeball » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:59 pm

These Themis writers...geez. How can a porcupine be sunning itself if it's camouflaged in the leaves?

Seriously, though; I am so over this pain. Let it end. Please.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by JusPassItToWill » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:42 pm

One thing I've noticed about the essays (at least for my state) is that they include just enough information in the prompt to cover the particular rule they're asking about. In that case, if I don't have any idea what the rule is, or I know the rule but don't remember it exactly, I can see what information I haven't used yet and try to reverse engineer the rule from that information. Seems to work fairly well, unless it's tax-related, in which case I either know it or I don't.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by cavalier1138 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:50 pm

Dunnkirk85 wrote:Also I disagree with the above. The exceptions to the general rules are important for the exam and the real exam isn’t just going to test the big picture. It’s building blocks. You get the foundational rules in the 5 subject sets and now you’re building on those basic rules with new exceptions in mixed questions. Bar Bri students are doing the same thing. I would definitely go back and make sure you have a firm grasp of the basics before doing the mixed sets because I don’t see how they would be particularly helpful without the base knowledge.
I'm on the same page. And part of the benefit of testing the exceptions is that you have to know the base rule to even recognize that you're in an exception. If you get it wrong in practice, who cares? The point is that you're reinforcing the basic rule while also learning a weird exception that might come up on the exam.

I actually really liked the contracts lecturer's idea of the "DNA twitch." Half the game is learning the base rules. The other half is knowing enough about the weird stuff to experience the "twitch" when you see the trigger for the exception.

Anyway, we're almost there, and it's literally just a matter of getting this stuff to the point of hitting 60%+ on the real thing. There are no prizes for getting 290+.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by chickennuggets » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:50 pm

How are you guys seeing how many total MBE questions you've done?

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by WinterComing » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:05 pm

chickennuggets wrote:How are you guys seeing how many total MBE questions you've done?
On the course progress drop down, you can click on "MBE PQ" by the chart (or on "view overall progress" and then on the MBE PQs). It takes you to a page showing the total number of questions you've done and breaking down your overall performance by subject.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by kasap » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:53 pm

I messed up MBE Practice Exam-4 with 57%. I am so disappointed and do not know what to do for the rest of time.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by Dunnkirk85 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:26 pm

Do people think practice exam 4 easier or harder than the others? I felt pretty good taking it overall. Do we know a target score?

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by Dcc617 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:27 pm

kasap wrote:I messed up MBE Practice Exam-4 with 57%. I am so disappointed and do not know what to do for the rest of time.
It sucks, but it wasn’t the real exam. ID your deficiencies and jump back on the horse. Also, 57% is a couple questions away from passing.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by Dunnkirk85 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:30 pm

kasap wrote:I messed up MBE Practice Exam-4 with 57%. I am so disappointed and do not know what to do for the rest of time.
I would suggest taking a look at your overall breakdown for each MBE topic and then subtopic. See if you have serious weaknesses in big topic areas and focus on those. For example, if you're below the median % for your state in contract formation, take an hour to review that. That kind of stuff is easy points. if you just had a bad test and/or just got tripped up on tiny exceptions, I wouldn't worry very much. That's just a suggestion of what I would do though. But either way I would not panic because that won't help anything. If you've put the work in, you will pass.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by Anon2468 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:02 pm

Dunnkirk85 wrote:Do people think practice exam 4 easier or harder than the others? I felt pretty good taking it overall. Do we know a target score?
I scored over 70% on both parts of practice exam 3 and I got in the low 60's for practice exam 4. I thought a lot of the answer choices were badly worded.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by arbarprep » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:48 pm

Anon2468 wrote:
Dunnkirk85 wrote:Do people think practice exam 4 easier or harder than the others? I felt pretty good taking it overall. Do we know a target score?
I scored over 70% on both parts of practice exam 3 and I got in the low 60's for practice exam 4. I thought a lot of the answer choices were badly worded.
i did slightly better on 4 compared to 3 (very slightly above average on both 3 and 4), but i didn't feel confident on at least 2/3 of the problems on exam 4. i am doing about 5-10% better on the OPEs but I understand those are much easier compared to the actual bar...not sure how i should feel at this point...

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by cherryfilter » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:08 pm

arbarprep wrote:
Anon2468 wrote:
Dunnkirk85 wrote:Do people think practice exam 4 easier or harder than the others? I felt pretty good taking it overall. Do we know a target score?
I scored over 70% on both parts of practice exam 3 and I got in the low 60's for practice exam 4. I thought a lot of the answer choices were badly worded.
i did slightly better on 4 compared to 3 (very slightly above average on both 3 and 4), but i didn't feel confident on at least 2/3 of the problems on exam 4. i am doing about 5-10% better on the OPEs but I understand those are much easier compared to the actual bar...not sure how i should feel at this point...
What do you mean by OPEs?

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by arbarprep » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:11 pm

cherryfilter wrote:
arbarprep wrote:
Anon2468 wrote:
Dunnkirk85 wrote:Do people think practice exam 4 easier or harder than the others? I felt pretty good taking it overall. Do we know a target score?
I scored over 70% on both parts of practice exam 3 and I got in the low 60's for practice exam 4. I thought a lot of the answer choices were badly worded.
i did slightly better on 4 compared to 3 (very slightly above average on both 3 and 4), but i didn't feel confident on at least 2/3 of the problems on exam 4. i am doing about 5-10% better on the OPEs but I understand those are much easier compared to the actual bar...not sure how i should feel at this point...
What do you mean by OPEs?
released actual MBE questions from NCBE.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by cherryfilter » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:55 pm

arbarprep wrote:
cherryfilter wrote:
arbarprep wrote:
Anon2468 wrote:
Dunnkirk85 wrote:Do people think practice exam 4 easier or harder than the others? I felt pretty good taking it overall. Do we know a target score?
I scored over 70% on both parts of practice exam 3 and I got in the low 60's for practice exam 4. I thought a lot of the answer choices were badly worded.
i did slightly better on 4 compared to 3 (very slightly above average on both 3 and 4), but i didn't feel confident on at least 2/3 of the problems on exam 4. i am doing about 5-10% better on the OPEs but I understand those are much easier compared to the actual bar...not sure how i should feel at this point...
What do you mean by OPEs?
released actual MBE questions from NCBE.
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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by HairySmokeball » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:29 pm

kasap wrote:I messed up MBE Practice Exam-4 with 57%. I am so disappointed and do not know what to do for the rest of time.
I would figure out where your weak areas are and use the quiz builder feature. There, you can have questions selected from specific areas in which you are weak. I have about 1/2 of the mixed sets to go, but in lieu of those, I am building the quizzes for my 3 weakest subjects and geared specifically to HIGHLY tested areas that I am weak in.

My worst is Evidence, Con Law, and Civ Pro. Of those areas, I know that hearsay, individual rights and SMJ/PJ are the most tested, so those are the areas that will be "easiest" to pick up points.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by passed2ndtime19 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:37 pm

Hi fellow Themis takers. I took the CA bar and failed with BarBri in July '18. Took it second time in Feb '19 with Themis + Adaptibar (completed around 1500 qs). I just wanted to give some tips in hopes at least one person benefits from it. I used TLS and people's comments really helped me keep a level head in my darkest moments.

1. Your essays do not have to be perfect, but need to be well organized, which is something I think is what really brought me down last time. Use lots of headings and break out each element as if you're explaining it to your client. I was so focused on having the perfect rule statements and sounding smart. NO. It is true you can't miss big sticker issues (ie. strict liability when your wild animal bites someone on your property), but you can miss quite a few points and still be fine! Remember, 65 is passing. I just checked the model Feb answers and I missed some issues and still passed despite being totally obliterated by Q1.

2. Get good nights rest leading up to test day. I know it's hard, but I cut myself off after 6pm the three nights leading up to the test and felt better rested mentally. I also did not review any answers during or after the bar. I made that mistake the first time and I psyched myself out for Day 2 in July. The first time, I was studying past 10pm. Do not do this to yourself. You must be ready for critical thinking early in the mornings.

3. I did nothing but mixed PQ sets in the final two weeks leading up to the test. I also reviewed subsections of areas where I felt weakest or hesitant about (i.e. civ pro, con law, mortgages, & fees) I checked my Adaptibar scores to identify my weak parts and kept doing those types of questions over and over until I improved. I believe this contributed to my success the second time around. I remember the mortgages questions were quite nuanced so I made sure to pay special attention the second time. Remember, the MBE will have mixed subjects and varying difficultly throughout!

4. Review PR! It's almost guaranteed to show up in some form on the essays. You'll thank yourself during the exam that you took that extra time to review your outline; you'll likely secure yourself a high score on this essay to make up for other areas.

5. This might be controversial, but just a personal opinion. I wrote the PT first the second time around because I felt like I would be mentally fresher to figure it out. I also spent an extra 10 minutes on it to do a little extra comparing/contrasting/editing. Honestly, I think it was worth it. I had quickly scanned Q4 and Q5. I saw that one was PR and one was evidence (likely a racehorse). So I decided to shave off 10 minutes from the PR essay, because I felt confident I could knock out a 65 in 50 minutes. And I did. I'm not sure what I would have done if I felt both essays were racehorses, but I strongly believe that doing the PT first helped me pass since I probably scored higher on it and it was worth two essays. Furthermore, the PT is almost like a puzzle and requires critical thinking. The first time around, I could not figure out the PT for the life of me, and I was so mentally tired by the end of the day, I basically was defeated and knew I had failed. Do the PT first and score those extra points!!

6. Stay cool and avoid discussing Qs during the test days. Don't worry about anyone else. You are there to accomplish one goal--get a passing score. Focus. You worked hard. You got this!!!!!!

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by gopurp333 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:54 pm

I am enrolled in BARBRI and also bought the S&T MBE book by Emanuel. I am scoring 70%+ on BARBRI consistently. When I go to the subject-specific question sets in S&T, I am getting 50%.

Does anyone know if the questions in the topic-specific section are only the 7-10s difficulty wise?

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by cherryfilter » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:01 am

Did everyone watch the MBE Simulation Workshop videos? Were they worth the time? I'm wondering if I should watch them or practice MEEs more instead..

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by cavalier1138 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:33 am

cherryfilter wrote:Did everyone watch the MBE Simulation Workshop videos? Were they worth the time? I'm wondering if I should watch them or practice MEEs more instead..
If you're noticing that one or two areas are serious problems for you, it might be worth it to watch at least the beginning of the videos (he gives some generic tips and approaches to problems). But otherwise, if you reviewed all the answers and read the explanations, he's not going to add anything to those.

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by cherryfilter » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:11 am

Can somebody clarify this for me??
PE #3 (PM) Q197
The answer explanation stated that "Force" in Robbery can include giving a victim drugs (slipping sedative into drink) in order to induce unconsciousness and thereby permit larceny to occur. But our crim law outline states that the victim must be "aware" of force/intimidation?? Having trouble reconciling these two...thanks!

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Re: Themis July 2019

Post by Dunnkirk85 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:40 am

cherryfilter wrote:Can somebody clarify this for me??
PE #3 (PM) Q197
The answer explanation stated that "Force" in Robbery can include giving a victim drugs (slipping sedative into drink) in order to induce unconsciousness and thereby permit larceny to occur. But our crim law outline states that the victim must be "aware" of force/intimidation?? Having trouble reconciling these two...thanks!
For robbery, the force requirement is anything that would go beyond the normal force necessary to take and carry the property. So if someone didn't notice being pickpocketed, and a defendant just took the property and walked away, then no additional force was necessary to commit the larceny beyond what would normally have been required to take and carry the property. But in this example, the larceny wouldn't have occurred without the additional force (using the sedative). Does that help?

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