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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by Evaly » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:03 am

dudnaito wrote:....

3) Watch lecture while writing notes and filling in the blanks on your handout.

4) Print out summary outline for every MBE and MEE subject (you might not have gotten a link yet, i just asked them for mine earlier cause i'm a bosssss). They should have either emailed it to you, or check under "my communications." Each jurisdiction seems to have a different timeline for when Themis decides to send these to you.

5) Write flashcards (i.e. Anki, Quizlet, toilet paper, whatever suits you)

6) Memorize.

7) Practice Questions, MBE, MEE, etc...

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Anyone not making flashcards or their own condensed outline?

I made flashcards for CA community property and then did condensed outline for con law. But I felt it was a waste of time since it didn't help with memorization. So for torts and K I am just taking the Themis handout and adding to it whenever I see that I missed something on a MBE or essay question. Just wondering if I am making a mistake in the long-run.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by j1987 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:17 am

dudnaito wrote:
kapital98 wrote:Stupid question: I'm starting tomorrow. Do I read the long outlines before the lectures? Or do I do the lectures first?
No such thing as a stupid question. I'm a huge fan of asking unabashedly "stupid" questions. In fact, I believe that's the only reason I'm even remotely cognitively functional. I'm way too lazy to do lengthy research when someone else can tell me pronto with meticulous detail. It's just efficient, no?

An important distinction to make is that the suggestion "read outline," actually means "skim the outline." This is stated by Themis personnel as well. I'll give you what i think is the "best" game plan after experimenting on several different methods, and so far have reared by far the best results for me. Before we begin though, make sure you have all these materials:

1. Outline Book
2. Summary Outline
3. Subject "Handouts" (just print it all, and put it in a binder or spend a couple of bucks and make it into a binded "book" at Kinko's like me and some others have).



Sequence of Studying:

1. SKIM the subject outline. For god's sake, do not spend more than 4 hours on each subject (roughly around 60-80 pages). The only time I ever stopped and read and re-read over and over were minutiae that's just about NEVER tested anyway... (f'n Lecturer will tell you as much.. he'll be like, "yo, that stuff has a 1% chance of coming out on the exam, but you probably already spent 2 hours trying to memorize the exceptions to the exceptions to a minority rule, huh? Too f'n bad, moron." (Yup, in direct quotes). And the lecturer will also give you helpful examples to illuminate what's unnecessarily shrouded in a convoluted twist on the outline most of the time. Trust me, i went through 100 MBE questions on each subject I've gone through (granted only 3 MBE so far), and the minutiae content came out only once or twice. There's no sense spending a 1/3 of your entire study time trying to memorize things that aren't going to be on the bar exam, a test of MINIMUM competence. The outline is meant as a reference material. I recommend going through maybe 3 Lectures at a time, using common sense to categorize accordingly, instead of marathoning the entire subject outline.

2) Print out subject handout (link is located right next to lecture videos; each MBE subject is anywhere from 60-70 pages usually, while shorter MEE subjects like Agency are only around 8-9 pages). This should be your core studying material. You'll be writing your notes on this handout during each lecture presumably. The handout content is word-for-word key portions of the lecture.

3) Watch lecture while writing notes and filling in the blanks on your handout.

4) Print out summary outline for every MBE and MEE subject (you might not have gotten a link yet, i just asked them for mine earlier cause i'm a bosssss). They should have either emailed it to you, or check under "my communications." Each jurisdiction seems to have a different timeline for when Themis decides to send these to you.

5) Write flashcards (i.e. Anki, Quizlet, toilet paper, whatever suits you)

6) Memorize.

7) Practice Questions, MBE, MEE, etc...
Where do we find the shorter outlines? I can't find them in Themis anywhere...

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by Evaly » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:19 am

j1987 wrote: 4) Print out summary outline for every MBE and MEE subject (you might not have gotten a link yet, i just asked them for mine earlier cause i'm a bosssss). They should have either emailed it to you, or check under "my communications." Each jurisdiction seems to have a different timeline for when Themis decides to send these to you.


Where do we find the shorter outlines? I can't find them in Themis anywhere...
So depending on your state you might not have them yet. But do at least check under "my communications", the links to the summary outline may be in an email if your state is one that already received them (CA did).

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by j1987 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:37 am

Evaly wrote:
j1987 wrote: 4) Print out summary outline for every MBE and MEE subject (you might not have gotten a link yet, i just asked them for mine earlier cause i'm a bosssss). They should have either emailed it to you, or check under "my communications." Each jurisdiction seems to have a different timeline for when Themis decides to send these to you.


Where do we find the shorter outlines? I can't find them in Themis anywhere...
So depending on your state you might not have them yet. But do at least check under "my communications", the links to the summary outline may be in an email if your state is one that already received them (CA did).
Okay, i didn't know if there was a certain place to look to see if we've been sent them. You requested yours early? How did you do that? I am pretty sure my jurisdiction (NJ/NY) doesn't have them yet.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by Evaly » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:50 am

j1987 wrote:
Okay, i didn't know if there was a certain place to look to see if we've been sent them. You requested yours early? How did you do that? I am pretty sure my jurisdiction (NJ/NY) doesn't have them yet.
I think another way to get the summary outlines is if you've been assigned the task "Review XXX (Summary Outline)." Clicking on that will lead you to the summary outline for that topic. But review tasks are not available in flex, so you have to wait for them to assign it to you.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by MinEMorris » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:54 am

Anyone not making flashcards or their own condensed outline?

I made flashcards for CA community property and then did condensed outline for con law. But I felt it was a waste of time since it didn't help with memorization. So for torts and K I am just taking the Themis handout and adding to it whenever I see that I missed something on a MBE or essay question. Just wondering if I am making a mistake in the long-run.
Yeah, I think this is what I'm ultimately going with. I think I'm going to shoot to know everything on the summary outline, but I will only memorize (nearly word for word) what's contained on the exam workshop handout. We'll see how it goes.

edit: grr. I'm annoyed how their model answers deviate from the phrasings they give on the workshop handout. Compare, e.g.:

(Workshop handout)
To be valid, a transmutation must be in writing and contain an express declaration of the spouse whose interest is adversely affected. The document must contain language expressly stating that ownership of property is being changed, unless the exchange is for tangible gifts of a personal nature between spouses that are insubstantial in value.
(Model answer)
Transmutations made on or after January 1, 1985 must be made in writing by express declaration of the spouse whose interest is adversely affected. Certain gifts are excluded from the express declaration requirement so long as the following are met: i) The gift is between spouses; ii) The gift is of clothing, wearing apparel, jewelry, or other tangible articles of a personal nature, used solely or principally by the spouse to whom the gift is made; and iii) The gift is not substantial in value.
The model answer's phrasing is considerably better. Not to mention, the handout phrasing says nothing about "sole or principal use", and the hypothetical/model answer focus a lot on that caveat and its application to the fact pattern.

All I want is a clear list of compact but accurate rule phrasings that I can memorize for the essays..

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by 071816 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:29 pm

I started about a week after the suggested start date and the way the Themis portal has reallocated the tasks makes little to no sense. This shit is really annoying.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by 071816 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:40 pm

Also, for those in CA, this Kramer guy is pretty funny. It's refreshing after having to listen to that robot of a woman talk about community property

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by NC1 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:47 pm

Yeah, the actual detailed outlines are getting SUPER SKIMS from now on. Con Law damn near took me 3 days and then I took a practice test and lol @ how much I actually remembered. The handouts will be more useful.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by puttycake » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:48 pm

I'm doing flash cards because if I just read the condensed outline, I'll "read" it. You know, when your eyes just sort of skip right over all the stuff you don't know? That's my specialty!

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by dtl » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:24 pm

I found a good middle ground between printing/completing the handouts to the lectures and ignoring them completely that I thought I might share.

A freeware program "PDF XChange" takes every underlined portion of the handout and automatically makes them a field you can fill in and save. I know that other PDF programs let you annotate and make input fields, but the automation and ease of just opening the handout in xchange and start filling in is pretty nice. Typing things in still makes me listen to the lecture, but without the bajillion pages of printed handouts.

Figured others might appreciate it. Program is here: http://download.cnet.com/PDF-XChange-Vi ... 98377.html

Also, I just finished the Kramer lectures and think I am going to honestly miss him.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by crossingforHYS » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:38 pm

How are people doing flashcards? online?

and from what? the summary hand outs? or the other stuff?

Also themis is annoying me. The cali link for the community property short outline is NOT working for me and they haven't gotten back to me in days. wtf themis.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by puttycake » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:43 pm

crossingforHYS wrote:How are people doing flashcards? online?

and from what? the summary hand outs? or the other stuff?

Also themis is annoying me. The cali link for the community property short outline is NOT working for me and they haven't gotten back to me in days. wtf themis.
Try this:

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I'm doing flashcards by hand so far. I looked at the online or computer kind and thought that I probably needed to do them by hand so that I'd remember.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by MinEMorris » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:45 pm

If your problem is that the com prop Summary Outline is the wrong link, you should have received a follow up message with the right link. I think it's the msg immediately after.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by crossingforHYS » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:46 pm

puttycake wrote:
crossingforHYS wrote:How are people doing flashcards? online?

and from what? the summary hand outs? or the other stuff?

Also themis is annoying me. The cali link for the community property short outline is NOT working for me and they haven't gotten back to me in days. wtf themis.
Try this:

--LinkRemoved--

I'm doing flashcards by hand so far. I looked at the online or computer kind and thought that I probably needed to do them by hand so that I'd remember.
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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by jumpingjack » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:25 pm

There seems to be so much information for torts, for example, that I wouldn't know where to begin for flashcards. What are some of you doing?

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Post by 071816 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:29 pm

FUCK FLASHCARDS

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by j1987 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:45 pm

chimp wrote:FUCK FLASHCARDS
^^^ i never do flashcards. I'm better at writing notes and rereading things until I've memorized them.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by 071816 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:47 pm

j1987 wrote:
chimp wrote:FUCK FLASHCARDS
^^^ i never do flashcards. I'm better at writing notes and rereading things until I've memorized them.
same here brother (or sister)

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by j1987 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:47 pm

Evaly wrote:
j1987 wrote:
Okay, i didn't know if there was a certain place to look to see if we've been sent them. You requested yours early? How did you do that? I am pretty sure my jurisdiction (NJ/NY) doesn't have them yet.
I think another way to get the summary outlines is if you've been assigned the task "Review XXX (Summary Outline)." Clicking on that will lead you to the summary outline for that topic. But review tasks are not available in flex, so you have to wait for them to assign it to you.
I emailed the support team with a request for the summary outlines. Hopefully they can provide them in advance of me having to "Review XXX."

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jumpingjack wrote:There seems to be so much information for torts, for example, that I wouldn't know where to begin for flashcards. What are some of you doing?
With the caveat that I am a flashcard freak and I find the making of flashcards very helpful, even if I never study them:

I am taking essentially every tort and making one flashcard for the elements and one for the remedies.

And if there are definitional issues (like types of trespassers), I do cards for those, too.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by Genuine4ps » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:48 pm

j1987 wrote:
chimp wrote:FUCK FLASHCARDS
^^^ i never do flashcards. I'm better at writing notes and rereading things until I've memorized them.
I've never really been into flashcards either.

Are you guys actually going to craft an outline, or are you planning on just studying the outline Themis gave us?

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by puttycake » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:53 pm

The California remedies guy doesn't say the words you expect to try to fill in the blanks on the handout. I feel like I'm piecing the handout together rather haphazardly.

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Post by swfangirl » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:53 pm

So in law school I basically studied for exams by finding old outlines and reading them once before the exam. Studying for the bar is going to be hard.

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Post by 071816 » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:56 pm

puttycake wrote:The California remedies guy doesn't say the words you expect to try to fill in the blanks on the handout. I feel like I'm piecing the handout together rather haphazardly.
I haven't been using the handouts for all the lectures. For some subjects (like real property) I feel like the handout was extremely helpful and I used it the entire time, whereas for other subjects it was just a waste of time. I'm definitely playing it by ear when it comes to the handouts.

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