Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 Forum

[Fivedham]

Scared. I can't seem to get more than a 65% in the mixed pqs. Have read the black law, but somehow they always get me. Im seriously thinking about withdrawing. Also scared about the essays part.

In most states, 65% on the MBE is a passing score so long as you don't cause an absolute train wreck in the essays. Themis sets the bar at 70% in the mixed sets intentionally high. My state director told me it was "aspirational" because 70% puts you in "comfortable pass" range.

Don't freak yourself out. You're doing fine. Most people pass this thing, and if you're past 75% on Themis, you probably have like an 85%+ chance of passing. 90% or higher in certain states. You gotta keep in mind that there actually is a subset of people out there who are trying to self-study, not doing a tenth of the work we are, and they're either gonna pass or they're gonna disproportionately gonna make up the amount of folks who fail.

Definitely don't withdraw. You've already dumped the money, might as well take a crack at it.

[Hmasterflex]

Scared. I can't seem to get more than a 65% in the mixed pqs. Have read the black law, but somehow they always get me. Im seriously thinking about withdrawing. Also scared about the essays part.

In most states, 65% on the MBE is a passing score so long as you don't cause an absolute train wreck in the essays. Themis sets the bar at 70% in the mixed sets intentionally high. My state director told me it was "aspirational" because 70% puts you in "comfortable pass" range.

Don't freak yourself out. You're doing fine. Most people pass this thing, and if you're past 75% on Themis, you probably have like an 85%+ chance of passing. 90% or higher in certain states. You gotta keep in mind that there actually is a subset of people out there who are trying to self-study, not doing a tenth of the work we are, and they're either gonna pass or they're gonna disproportionately gonna make up the amount of folks who fail.

Definitely don't withdraw. You've already dumped the money, might as well take a crack at it.

Agreed. Not only did you expend money for the course and subject yourself to torture for two months, you missed out on wages and opportunities. I calculated my lost income from studying this summer based on my current rate as a clerk, and I could have purchased a new jeep rubicon (2dr) outright (or paid off some student loans -_-).

You've invested too much to withdraw. Face the beast.

[NaeDeen]

Anyone else get jazzed up at some torts and crim questions?

Question is like "and she grabbed the fire extinguisher" and i'm like "beat his a**!"

or for felony murder, i hear DMX BAARK'ing in my head

My greatest challenge come test day will be keeping my mouth shut

[squiggle]

Finally got around to doing the simulated MBE and only got a 110. I think I'm officially fucked. Ugh.

Definitely not. Here's a spreadsheet of people's practice and real MBE scores from last summer: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

110 is within striking distance. Make sure you review all the answer explanations, and figure out why you got questions wrong (misread facts, didn't know law or exception to law, misapplied law, etc). You got this!

Ohh, thanks for this. Interesting data set. Some info-themis takers:

Scaled score average above raw PT score or average (/200): 21.5
Standard deviation of difference: 11.
Max difference: 37.3
Min difference: -2.5


With the standard deviation/assuming a normal distribution, that means there's about a 98% chance your scaled score will be at least your raw score on the practice test; a 84% chance that it will be at least 10 points higher, and, of course, 50% that it will be 21 or more higher; 34% chance it will be 30 higher; and 5% chance it will be 40 higher.

I feel like this data probably suffers from some self-selection bias, however. I don't think people that failed are going to want to come back and post online about how bad they did.

The creator of that spreadsheet allowed people to PM him directly with their practice and real scores. As noted one column in the spreadsheet, there were many people who he included anonymous (rather than their username). Also, per the last column, this includes the stats of some who failed.

[blach0987]

So trying to get focused on the MEE topics this week... I didn't take wills and have no idea whats important to memorize, does anyone have like a very large-scale idea of whats important?

I have down like, valid wills, general/specific/demonstrative gifts, ademption & anti lapse. Anything else? Thanks everyone!

[NaeDeen]

I just went ape shit on a fruit fly with a bottle of windex and an arsenal of curse words. I think it's time to call it a night. Over. It.

[squiggle]

So trying to get focused on the MEE topics this week... I didn't take wills and have no idea whats important to memorize, does anyone have like a very large-scale idea of whats important?

I have down like, valid wills, general/specific/demonstrative gifts, ademption & anti lapse. Anything else? Thanks everyone!

Try this thread: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=249162

There's a great section on Wills

[Hmasterflex]

So trying to get focused on the MEE topics this week... I didn't take wills and have no idea whats important to memorize, does anyone have like a very large-scale idea of whats important?

I have down like, valid wills, general/specific/demonstrative gifts, ademption & anti lapse. Anything else? Thanks everyone!

Just Wills or wills and estates? I didn't take it either and I slogged through the outline a few times to glean important stuff. I hear lean sheets are solid

[ultimolugar]

I just wanna say that I, for one, appreciate all the love and support in this thread. Thanks guys.

[rambleon65]

So trying to get focused on the MEE topics this week... I didn't take wills and have no idea whats important to memorize, does anyone have like a very large-scale idea of whats important?

I have down like, valid wills, general/specific/demonstrative gifts, ademption & anti lapse. Anything else? Thanks everyone!

Just Wills or wills and estates? I didn't take it either and I slogged through the outline a few times to glean important stuff. I hear lean sheets are solid

I think half the battle is figuring out (a) whether the will is valid, and (b) if by any other reason, the will is ineffective (partially or wholly). If either answer to (a) is a NO or (b) is a YES, you go through the intestacy process. The intestacy process, you just have to memorize as rules, much like civ pro.

Beyond that, i think it's getting too weedy for what will likely be a smaller part of the essay portion.

[rambleon65]

still trying figure out the difference between a resulting trust vs. constructive trusts. They're both remedial trusts, but I can't figure out when one over other. Moreover, what, if any, practical differences there are.

[Hmasterflex]

still trying figure out the difference between a resulting trust vs. constructive trusts. They're both remedial trusts, but I can't figure out when one over other. Moreover, what, if any, practical differences there are.

I tend to think of resulting trusts as "well we have this extra sh** we need to hold for an heir that we can't find" and constructive trusts as "that a-hole with the special power of appointment was apportioning property to his own estate so we stuck it in a constructive trust 'til we figure out what to do with it"

I associate constructive trusts with wrongdoing

[Hoser]

I printed out the MEE lecture handouts and wrote in pen. Aaaaaaand the binder they were in was in a bag that was stolen when my car got broken into!

I don't know what I'm gonna do! I don't think I can fill out 10 chapters of Corporations handouts from memory.

[Hmasterflex]

I printed out the MEE lecture handouts and wrote in pen. Aaaaaaand the binder they were in was in a bag that was stolen when my car got broken into!

I don't know what I'm gonna do! I don't think I can fill out 10 chapters of Corporations handouts from memory.

Sorry to hear that. I did all of mine on my laptop and printed them to pdfs. I had a few that saved empty -_- I emailed my state director, and she said they dont send filled-out lectures per company policy, but they would send one as a courtesy. That was three weeks ago. I have not received anything. IF I was in an MEE state, i'd hook you up. Alas, i'm not. maybe someone on here can lend a hand

[crisdavila]

Guys, I worked the whole two months full time. Thanks for the support! I just scored a 74% on a Mixed Set. Feeling better…

Scared. I can't seem to get more than a 65% in the mixed pqs. Have read the black law, but somehow they always get me. Im seriously thinking about withdrawing. Also scared about the essays part.

In most states, 65% on the MBE is a passing score so long as you don't cause an absolute train wreck in the essays. Themis sets the bar at 70% in the mixed sets intentionally high. My state director told me it was "aspirational" because 70% puts you in "comfortable pass" range.

Don't freak yourself out. You're doing fine. Most people pass this thing, and if you're past 75% on Themis, you probably have like an 85%+ chance of passing. 90% or higher in certain states. You gotta keep in mind that there actually is a subset of people out there who are trying to self-study, not doing a tenth of the work we are, and they're either gonna pass or they're gonna disproportionately gonna make up the amount of folks who fail.

Definitely don't withdraw. You've already dumped the money, might as well take a crack at it.

Agreed. Not only did you expend money for the course and subject yourself to torture for two months, you missed out on wages and opportunities. I calculated my lost income from studying this summer based on my current rate as a clerk, and I could have purchased a new jeep rubicon (2dr) outright (or paid off some student loans -_-).

You've invested too much to withdraw. Face the beast.

[PotLuck]

How many MPTs does everyone have planned to do by go time? I have only done 2 and I'm trying to decide if I should add another two.

[Observant_Poster]

I'm confused on the Implied Warranty of Fitness or Suitability. Themis taught this under the contract phase of the sale of real property. Does this warranty extend past closing? I guess I'm confused on whether its a part of the contract, thus it merges into the deed at closing. Or if it extends past closing and a buyer can sue even when the title has transferred.

Hype: Adam (A) contracts with Developer (D) to purchase new home for a quit claim deed to close on August 1. On August 5, after closing, A discovers a serious structural defect with the home. Does A have any remedy? Can A sue under the implied warrant of fitness or suitability?

[unidentifiable]

How many MPTs does everyone have planned to do by go time? I have only done 2 and I'm trying to decide if I should add another two.

i will have completed all available from themis by go time.

structure and organization are the biggest shit factors for me. not sure why. i always psych myself out.

its "free points," so I'll spend the small amount of time it takes to get used to them and get more points.

[BigZuck]

How many MPTs does everyone have planned to do by go time? I have only done 2 and I'm trying to decide if I should add another two.

I did the graded one and looked at another one, that might be all I do before the exam

I'm confused on the Implied Warranty of Fitness or Suitability. Themis taught this under the contract phase of the sale of real property. Does this warranty extend past closing? I guess I'm confused on whether its a part of the contract, thus it merges into the deed at closing. Or if it extends past closing and a buyer can sue even when the title has transferred.

Hype: Adam (A) contracts with Developer (D) to purchase new home for a quit claim deed to close on August 1. On August 5, after closing, A discovers a serious structural defect with the home. Does A have any remedy? Can A sue under the implied warrant of fitness or suitability?

Could be wrong but I think the implied warranty stuff is there in the "After contract is made but before the closing date" period. But then after closing, the contract "merges" with the deed and whatever the deed says, goes. So if the deed is a quitclaim deed which is like "Hey man, buyer beware, I'm dumping this crap on you" then A is SOL.

I could be wrong when it comes to the warranty that a constructor of a new home makes, which seems to be what you're talking about. Maybe someone who knows what they are talking about (aka not me) will come along and clear that up.

[AlanShore]

How many MPTs does everyone have planned to do by go time? I have only done 2 and I'm trying to decide if I should add another two.

I did the graded one and looked at another one, that might be all I do before the exam

I'm confused on the Implied Warranty of Fitness or Suitability. Themis taught this under the contract phase of the sale of real property. Does this warranty extend past closing? I guess I'm confused on whether its a part of the contract, thus it merges into the deed at closing. Or if it extends past closing and a buyer can sue even when the title has transferred.

Hype: Adam (A) contracts with Developer (D) to purchase new home for a quit claim deed to close on August 1. On August 5, after closing, A discovers a serious structural defect with the home. Does A have any remedy? Can A sue under the implied warrant of fitness or suitability?

Could be wrong but I think the implied warranty stuff is there in the "After contract is made but before the closing date" period. But then after closing, the contract "merges" with the deed and whatever the deed says, goes. So if the deed is a quitclaim deed which is like "Hey man, buyer beware, I'm dumping this crap on you" then A is SOL.

I could be wrong when it comes to the warranty that a constructor of a new home makes, which seems to be what you're talking about. Maybe someone who knows what they are talking about (aka not me) will come along and clear that up.

My understanding is that implied fitness applies to new residential construction and it doesn't go away when the K merges with the deed. However if you wait too long to bring suit the contractor will argue that the warranty is only good for a reasonable amount of time (because the warranty certifies the contractor used good material and workmanship but if you wait too long lots of stuff could've happened to your home). It also doesn't protect against obvious defects and that's why you still need to get your home inspected.

[Vantwins]

Guys, I worked the whole two months full time. Thanks for the support! I just scored a 74% on a Mixed Set. Feeling better…

Scared. I can't seem to get more than a 65% in the mixed pqs. Have read the black law, but somehow they always get me. Im seriously thinking about withdrawing. Also scared about the essays part.

In most states, 65% on the MBE is a passing score so long as you don't cause an absolute train wreck in the essays. Themis sets the bar at 70% in the mixed sets intentionally high. My state director told me it was "aspirational" because 70% puts you in "comfortable pass" range.

Don't freak yourself out. You're doing fine. Most people pass this thing, and if you're past 75% on Themis, you probably have like an 85%+ chance of passing. 90% or higher in certain states. You gotta keep in mind that there actually is a subset of people out there who are trying to self-study, not doing a tenth of the work we are, and they're either gonna pass or they're gonna disproportionately gonna make up the amount of folks who fail.

Definitely don't withdraw. You've already dumped the money, might as well take a crack at it.

Agreed. Not only did you expend money for the course and subject yourself to torture for two months, you missed out on wages and opportunities. I calculated my lost income from studying this summer based on my current rate as a clerk, and I could have purchased a new jeep rubicon (2dr) outright (or paid off some student loans -_-).

You've invested too much to withdraw. Face the beast.

Good! 65% is fine though.

[ChocolateTruffle]

I printed out the MEE lecture handouts and wrote in pen. Aaaaaaand the binder they were in was in a bag that was stolen when my car got broken into!

I don't know what I'm gonna do! I don't think I can fill out 10 chapters of Corporations handouts from memory.

You can print out the Final Review Outlines for the MEE subjects which Themis messaged to us a few weeks ago. It won't be the same, I know, but it's better than nothing at this point!

I would help out if I could, but I wrote in all my answers by hand in the books (I paid extra for the handout books). Sorry! Good luck!

[LikeLightning]

I printed out the MEE lecture handouts and wrote in pen. Aaaaaaand the binder they were in was in a bag that was stolen when my car got broken into!

I don't know what I'm gonna do! I don't think I can fill out 10 chapters of Corporations handouts from memory.

I got u fam

[hirkaismyname]

How many MPTs does everyone have planned to do by go time? I have only done 2 and I'm trying to decide if I should add another two.

I did the graded one and looked at another one, that might be all I do before the exam

I'm confused on the Implied Warranty of Fitness or Suitability. Themis taught this under the contract phase of the sale of real property. Does this warranty extend past closing? I guess I'm confused on whether its a part of the contract, thus it merges into the deed at closing. Or if it extends past closing and a buyer can sue even when the title has transferred.

Hype: Adam (A) contracts with Developer (D) to purchase new home for a quit claim deed to close on August 1. On August 5, after closing, A discovers a serious structural defect with the home. Does A have any remedy? Can A sue under the implied warrant of fitness or suitability?

Could be wrong but I think the implied warranty stuff is there in the "After contract is made but before the closing date" period. But then after closing, the contract "merges" with the deed and whatever the deed says, goes. So if the deed is a quitclaim deed which is like "Hey man, buyer beware, I'm dumping this crap on you" then A is SOL.

I could be wrong when it comes to the warranty that a constructor of a new home makes, which seems to be what you're talking about. Maybe someone who knows what they are talking about (aka not me) will come along and clear that up.

My understanding is that implied fitness applies to new residential construction and it doesn't go away when the K merges with the deed. However if you wait too long to bring suit the contractor will argue that the warranty is only good for a reasonable amount of time (because the warranty certifies the contractor used good material and workmanship but if you wait too long lots of stuff could've happened to your home). It also doesn't protect against obvious defects and that's why you still need to get your home inspected.

I believe that implied warranty also applies to subsequent purchasers as long as the defect was material (structural) and ascertainable to the constructor's work. I see lots of Q's involving basements flooding and the retaining concrete wall somehow failing.

[hirkaismyname]

http://www.ncbex.org/pdfviewer/?file=%2 ... ument%2F26

Anyone want to practice outlining and share with the thread? Feb 2016 essays.