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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam
I went ahead and did the afternoon half of the NY essay exam (2 essays plus the MPT) in test style mode (holy shit it's already 7pm??). For anyone who did the entire NY essay exam or at least the afternoon half:
Lesson learned, you see the word "town," "city," whatever that's a municipality, not a business like C-Town, Circuit City, etc.
Also, I seriously felt super uncertain about my Wills/Trusts essay because it's been a few days since I've looked at that stuff. I certainly missed some things that are in the model answer, but I seemed to latch on to the key issues being tested and threw out some key words that were actually relevant (a/k/a "ademption" and whatnot). For everyone having difficulty on essays, I suggest throwing yourself into test mode and just doing it. I'd rather deal with this uncertainty during practice and get used to it then have it happen during the exam and freaking out. Plus, you'll likely surprise yourself with what you can figure out/remember.
Lesson learned, you see the word "town," "city," whatever that's a municipality, not a business like C-Town, Circuit City, etc.
Also, I seriously felt super uncertain about my Wills/Trusts essay because it's been a few days since I've looked at that stuff. I certainly missed some things that are in the model answer, but I seemed to latch on to the key issues being tested and threw out some key words that were actually relevant (a/k/a "ademption" and whatnot). For everyone having difficulty on essays, I suggest throwing yourself into test mode and just doing it. I'd rather deal with this uncertainty during practice and get used to it then have it happen during the exam and freaking out. Plus, you'll likely surprise yourself with what you can figure out/remember.
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To be fair, someone suggested a while back that I asked for another grader, but I chose not to.Lubberlubber wrote:Yea does anyone actually what their scores translate to on the actual bar? Even roughly? I asked but they (surprise) gave an extremely unsatisfactory answer.kjartan wrote:Actually, this is why Themis's essay grading is a complete joke.zot1 wrote:Got creamed because my grader is very strict: if my rule doesn't have everything, the rest of my essay is considered garbage.
This is why I have essay anxiety, you guys.
I have been told that usually bar exam graders give you points for analysis even if the rule isn't quite right. But my grader does not do that, so I never know if what I've done would have, in theory, been a passing essay. Per her scores, I wouldn't pass the essay section.
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I feel so lucky! I have a really great grader who also sends us emails without provocation that encourage us and give us general group feedback (in addition to quite detailed individual feedback). She has also been super responsive (and NICE) in all of the emails I've sent her with questions even when the questions were general "i'm freaking out" questions that she couldn't really answer with solid legal advice. But yeah, she was great and I feel like my scores definitely reflected my work product. My bad scores were for bad essays and my good scores were the ones I was proud of. I wish everyone had as good an experience as I didzot1 wrote:To be fair, someone suggested a while back that I asked for another grader, but I chose not to.Lubberlubber wrote:Yea does anyone actually what their scores translate to on the actual bar? Even roughly? I asked but they (surprise) gave an extremely unsatisfactory answer.kjartan wrote:Actually, this is why Themis's essay grading is a complete joke.zot1 wrote:Got creamed because my grader is very strict: if my rule doesn't have everything, the rest of my essay is considered garbage.
This is why I have essay anxiety, you guys.
I have been told that usually bar exam graders give you points for analysis even if the rule isn't quite right. But my grader does not do that, so I never know if what I've done would have, in theory, been a passing essay. Per her scores, I wouldn't pass the essay section.

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I just finished the last mixed MBE set and I think my brain is fried from overthinking shit. But can someone explain why this isn't barred by the Statute of Frauds? I can sort of see why this isn't a transfer of "interest in real property" per se, but something isn't clicking for me.
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eloise16 wrote:I feel so lucky! I have a really great grader who also sends us emails without provocation that encourage us and give us general group feedback (in addition to quite detailed individual feedback). She has also been super responsive (and NICE) in all of the emails I've sent her with questions even when the questions were general "i'm freaking out" questions that she couldn't really answer with solid legal advice. But yeah, she was great and I feel like my scores definitely reflected my work product. My bad scores were for bad essays and my good scores were the ones I was proud of. I wish everyone had as good an experience as I didzot1 wrote:To be fair, someone suggested a while back that I asked for another grader, but I chose not to.Lubberlubber wrote:Yea does anyone actually what their scores translate to on the actual bar? Even roughly? I asked but they (surprise) gave an extremely unsatisfactory answer.kjartan wrote:Actually, this is why Themis's essay grading is a complete joke.zot1 wrote:Got creamed because my grader is very strict: if my rule doesn't have everything, the rest of my essay is considered garbage.
This is why I have essay anxiety, you guys.
I have been told that usually bar exam graders give you points for analysis even if the rule isn't quite right. But my grader does not do that, so I never know if what I've done would have, in theory, been a passing essay. Per her scores, I wouldn't pass the essay section.
I'm in the same boat--great grader. However, I've also submitted supplemental essays for grading and they are not given to my same grader (nor are all the supp. essays given to the same grader). So, if you are still looking for feedback and want a legit grader that will give you constructive feedback, I suggest submitting some by tomorrow (I think that is the deadline. . .). All feedback from the supp. graders have been great too. May just give you the extra bump needed if they give you formatting help, etc.
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Correct! You got itMad Hatter wrote:So in my first example, only SDNY is appropriate (since it falls under number 2)?111aaa wrote:You only narrow it down to the PJ analysis if venue is not proper where 1) the judicial districts where all D's reside if the same state or 2) where the cause of action arose or 3) where the property that is subject of the action is located. If venue is not proper under any of those 3 categories, do a PJ analysis and venue will be deemed proper where the court can exercise PJ over the DF(s).Mad Hatter wrote:So, just to nail it down: in my first example, CDCA/SDFL were proper venue-wise because there is PJ in each of those districts? But why do we make it down to the PJ analysis if there is a district that fulfills one of the two "best" rules (any D's district if all live in same state/district where claim arose)?sd5289 wrote:No, because to refine the rule a bit that was stated above, venue is proper in the judicial district the D resides in if all D's live in the same state. So venue would be proper in SDCA or EDCA.Mad Hatter wrote:So here, venue would be proper in SDNY, SDFL, and CDCA, but not NDIL?
Taking it a bit deeper: same case (NDIL/SDNY), but the defendants live in the same state (say SDCA and EDCA). Can I sue in WDCA? If all defendants live in the same state, you can sue anywhere in that state, yes?
Not trying to be dense--this subject has been giving me fits all along.

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Barred by the Statute of Frauds? Doesn't the fact pattern say that the agreement is in writing? The aunt wrote to the niece, made the offer, and the niece wrote back to accept it.Confused7 wrote:I just finished the last mixed MBE set and I think my brain is fried from overthinking shit. But can someone explain why this isn't barred by the Statute of Frauds? I can sort of see why this isn't a transfer of "interest in real property" per se, but something isn't clicking for me.
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Yeah that's where I went to. The agreement is in writing and it has all of the essential terms. There's a condition precedent (LL's consent), but it's been satisfied. What was the answer? I'm *guessing* D, but this question is confusing me for different reasons. I definitely don't think it's B (watch that's it, sigh) or C. And A doesn't sound good to me either.teeshtee wrote:Barred by the Statute of Frauds? Doesn't the fact pattern say that the agreement is in writing? The aunt wrote to the niece, made the offer, and the niece wrote back to accept it.Confused7 wrote:I just finished the last mixed MBE set and I think my brain is fried from overthinking shit. But can someone explain why this isn't barred by the Statute of Frauds? I can sort of see why this isn't a transfer of "interest in real property" per se, but something isn't clicking for me.
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A seems irrelevant, B is wrong because this is certainly not a situation where a court would question the adequacy of the consideration, C seems moot because the landlord has already assented, and D looks 100% correct.sd5289 wrote:Yeah that's where I went to. The agreement is in writing and it has all of the essential terms. There's a condition precedent (LL's consent), but it's been satisfied. What was the answer? I'm *guessing* D, but this question is confusing me for different reasons. I definitely don't think it's B (watch that's it, sigh) or C. And A doesn't sound good to me either.teeshtee wrote:Barred by the Statute of Frauds? Doesn't the fact pattern say that the agreement is in writing? The aunt wrote to the niece, made the offer, and the niece wrote back to accept it.Confused7 wrote:I just finished the last mixed MBE set and I think my brain is fried from overthinking shit. But can someone explain why this isn't barred by the Statute of Frauds? I can sort of see why this isn't a transfer of "interest in real property" per se, but something isn't clicking for me.
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Lololol, yes that makes sense. Thank you everyone! I've concluded that I'm officially going crazy after doing the MBEs. I think it's time to call it a night with ice cream and a movie.teeshtee wrote:A seems irrelevant, B is wrong because this is certainly not a situation where a court would question the adequacy of the consideration, C seems moot because the landlord has already assented, and D looks 100% correct.sd5289 wrote:Yeah that's where I went to. The agreement is in writing and it has all of the essential terms. There's a condition precedent (LL's consent), but it's been satisfied. What was the answer? I'm *guessing* D, but this question is confusing me for different reasons. I definitely don't think it's B (watch that's it, sigh) or C. And A doesn't sound good to me either.teeshtee wrote:Barred by the Statute of Frauds? Doesn't the fact pattern say that the agreement is in writing? The aunt wrote to the niece, made the offer, and the niece wrote back to accept it.Confused7 wrote:I just finished the last mixed MBE set and I think my brain is fried from overthinking shit. But can someone explain why this isn't barred by the Statute of Frauds? I can sort of see why this isn't a transfer of "interest in real property" per se, but something isn't clicking for me.
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For those of your writing the New York and New Jersey bar exams,
Is anyone else worried about missing their flight to NJ after the NY exam on Wednesday. I understand that the proctors take about 45 minutes to collect the exams. So give or take, we won't be allowed to leave until 5:45 pm. My flight to NJ is for 7:30 pm, and that was the only flight leaving in the evening next to the 6:30 pm one (which is definitely not an option). Anyone else catching the same flight after the NY exam? Has anyone taken a prior bar exam and experienced leaving really late?
Is anyone else worried about missing their flight to NJ after the NY exam on Wednesday. I understand that the proctors take about 45 minutes to collect the exams. So give or take, we won't be allowed to leave until 5:45 pm. My flight to NJ is for 7:30 pm, and that was the only flight leaving in the evening next to the 6:30 pm one (which is definitely not an option). Anyone else catching the same flight after the NY exam? Has anyone taken a prior bar exam and experienced leaving really late?
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Where are you flying from? Albany? Buffalo?111aaa wrote:For those of your writing the New York and New Jersey bar exams,
Is anyone else worried about missing their flight to NJ after the NY exam on Wednesday. I understand that the proctors take about 45 minutes to collect the exams. So give or take, we won't be allowed to leave until 5:45 pm. My flight to NJ is for 7:30 pm, and that was the only flight leaving in the evening next to the 6:30 pm one (which is definitely not an option). Anyone else catching the same flight after the NY exam? Has anyone taken a prior bar exam and experienced leaving really late?
Worst case scenario, if you miss your flight you can always rent a car and drive...
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At 63%, I definitely feel I am not doing the bar exam prep dance properly.
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I not sure if I'm off topic but, doesn't the writing have to be signed by the aunt as well? Also, is the sale of a business even covered by the SoF? Marriage Suretyship, One Year, U.C.C and Real Property. Because the Aunt does not own the building, presumably she owns the books in the store which might put it under the U.C.C, but couldn't the appraisal value just be on her expected profits and trade name?teeshtee wrote:Barred by the Statute of Frauds? Doesn't the fact pattern say that the agreement is in writing? The aunt wrote to the niece, made the offer, and the niece wrote back to accept it.Confused7 wrote:I just finished the last mixed MBE set and I think my brain is fried from overthinking shit. But can someone explain why this isn't barred by the Statute of Frauds? I can sort of see why this isn't a transfer of "interest in real property" per se, but something isn't clicking for me.
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Flying from Buffalo. I really hope not, that drive would be too long.zor wrote:Where are you flying from? Albany? Buffalo?111aaa wrote:For those of your writing the New York and New Jersey bar exams,
Is anyone else worried about missing their flight to NJ after the NY exam on Wednesday. I understand that the proctors take about 45 minutes to collect the exams. So give or take, we won't be allowed to leave until 5:45 pm. My flight to NJ is for 7:30 pm, and that was the only flight leaving in the evening next to the 6:30 pm one (which is definitely not an option). Anyone else catching the same flight after the NY exam? Has anyone taken a prior bar exam and experienced leaving really late?
Worst case scenario, if you miss your flight you can always rent a car and drive...
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Thanks man. I killed all the venue questions today thanks to you.111aaa wrote:
Correct! You got it
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Have you finished all the lectures?Raiden wrote:At 63%, I definitely feel I am not doing the bar exam prep dance properly.
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Is there any way to look at a list of MBE questions by very specific topic, e.g. all the questions on RAP or venue, or whatever? I know they give you a breakdown per question set, but that's not super helpful. I want to see everything I've been asked about for certain topics so I can see what I know or don't know.
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If you click on MBE PQs from the progress bar reports, you can click on "View Details" per topic and then it gives you a breakdown. Not sure if that's the breakdown you're already talking about in which case this wasn't helpful.anon sequitur wrote:Is there any way to look at a list of MBE questions by very specific topic, e.g. all the questions on RAP or venue, or whatever? I know they give you a breakdown per question set, but that's not super helpful. I want to see everything I've been asked about for certain topics so I can see what I know or don't know.
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Thanks to everyone who answered. I thought I bolded the correct answer - sorry! The correct answer was D. I picked it because I knew that none of the other looks right. But yeah, the only reason I thought about the Statute of Frauds was that the aunt called the niece to say the landlord had approved and her attorney hadn't written the contract yet. I didn't see a complete contract signed by the aunt. Plus because there was a mention of a "landlord," I automatically thought this had to do with an interest in property. But I can see why a transfer of a "business" may not be the same as a transfer of interest of property real property.ColoBoul wrote:I not sure if I'm off topic but, doesn't the writing have to be signed by the aunt as well? Also, is the sale of a business even covered by the SoF? Marriage Suretyship, One Year, U.C.C and Real Property. Because the Aunt does not own the building, presumably she owns the books in the store which might put it under the U.C.C, but couldn't the appraisal value just be on her expected profits and trade name?teeshtee wrote:Barred by the Statute of Frauds? Doesn't the fact pattern say that the agreement is in writing? The aunt wrote to the niece, made the offer, and the niece wrote back to accept it.Confused7 wrote:I just finished the last mixed MBE set and I think my brain is fried from overthinking shit. But can someone explain why this isn't barred by the Statute of Frauds? I can sort of see why this isn't a transfer of "interest in real property" per se, but something isn't clicking for me.
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No, that's pretty much exactly what I wanted, awesome, thanks!zot1 wrote:
If you click on MBE PQs from the progress bar reports, you can click on "View Details" per topic and then it gives you a breakdown. Not sure if that's the breakdown you're already talking about in which case this wasn't helpful.
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I'm under the impression that the aunt (as the party to be charged) satisfied the SoF requirements with her letter to sell to the Niece.ColoBoul wrote:I not sure if I'm off topic but, doesn't the writing have to be signed by the aunt as well? Also, is the sale of a business even covered by the SoF? Marriage Suretyship, One Year, U.C.C and Real Property. Because the Aunt does not own the building, presumably she owns the books in the store which might put it under the U.C.C, but couldn't the appraisal value just be on her expected profits and trade name?teeshtee wrote:Barred by the Statute of Frauds? Doesn't the fact pattern say that the agreement is in writing? The aunt wrote to the niece, made the offer, and the niece wrote back to accept it.Confused7 wrote:I just finished the last mixed MBE set and I think my brain is fried from overthinking shit. But can someone explain why this isn't barred by the Statute of Frauds? I can sort of see why this isn't a transfer of "interest in real property" per se, but something isn't clicking for me.
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And again remember that what matters is the least wrong answer sometimes. I was confused by the question too, but instinctually went with D which was apparently the correct answer. None of the answer choices indicated a SOF problem, so even if you think there's one, move on because that's not the issue. I really thought the other answer choices looked bad, so I went with the answer that looked "less" bad. Unfortunately I think some of these trickier questions boil down to that.teeshtee wrote:I'm under the impression that the aunt (as the party to be charged) satisfied the SoF requirements with her letter to sell to the Niece.ColoBoul wrote:I not sure if I'm off topic but, doesn't the writing have to be signed by the aunt as well? Also, is the sale of a business even covered by the SoF? Marriage Suretyship, One Year, U.C.C and Real Property. Because the Aunt does not own the building, presumably she owns the books in the store which might put it under the U.C.C, but couldn't the appraisal value just be on her expected profits and trade name?teeshtee wrote:Barred by the Statute of Frauds? Doesn't the fact pattern say that the agreement is in writing? The aunt wrote to the niece, made the offer, and the niece wrote back to accept it.Confused7 wrote:I just finished the last mixed MBE set and I think my brain is fried from overthinking shit. But can someone explain why this isn't barred by the Statute of Frauds? I can sort of see why this isn't a transfer of "interest in real property" per se, but something isn't clicking for me.
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Yes, this is a mutual assent question, not SoF.sd5289 wrote:And again remember that what matters is the least wrong answer sometimes. I was confused by the question too, but instinctually went with D which was apparently the correct answer. None of the answer choices indicated a SOF problem, so even if you think there's one, move on because that's not the issue. I really thought the other answer choices looked bad, so I went with the answer that looked "less" bad. Unfortunately I think some of these trickier questions boil down to that.teeshtee wrote:I'm under the impression that the aunt (as the party to be charged) satisfied the SoF requirements with her letter to sell to the Niece.ColoBoul wrote:I not sure if I'm off topic but, doesn't the writing have to be signed by the aunt as well? Also, is the sale of a business even covered by the SoF? Marriage Suretyship, One Year, U.C.C and Real Property. Because the Aunt does not own the building, presumably she owns the books in the store which might put it under the U.C.C, but couldn't the appraisal value just be on her expected profits and trade name?teeshtee wrote:Barred by the Statute of Frauds? Doesn't the fact pattern say that the agreement is in writing? The aunt wrote to the niece, made the offer, and the niece wrote back to accept it.Confused7 wrote:I just finished the last mixed MBE set and I think my brain is fried from overthinking shit. But can someone explain why this isn't barred by the Statute of Frauds? I can sort of see why this isn't a transfer of "interest in real property" per se, but something isn't clicking for me.
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Can someone please explain supp jurisdiction to me? It is just not sticking for some reason.
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