Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam Forum

[northwood]

This BS of having us do shit on the weekends, especially this early on, is ridiculous. I'm starting to realize why Themis has high bar passage rates. I don't think the others courses have weekend assignments. Damn, I hate being cheap.

Barbri has way more shit to do during the week and has weekend stuff too don't worry

Pieper( for the NY bar only) has classes on some weekends an stuff for us to do as well.

[Tanicius]

Does anyone know if you can submit normal practice essays to be graded? If possibly I'd honestly prefer to have all of my essays graded. I want to closely monitor my style on the essays where I miraculously get the rule statements correct.

[Gotti]

Can someone dm me the link to the California Community Property Summary outline? These shitheads copied and pasted the civil procedure link twice into the list they sent me and the community property one isn't included...

I really don't understand how they don't have software that can accommodate hyperlinks. Their portal is seriously a joke.

seriously. it's like it was designed by somebody who just learned to code last week.

not only that, but also WHY AREN'T THE FILL-IN OUTLINES PRINTED IN A BOOK. it's so stupid.

well i mean, i get why...i paid less than half than what i would've paid for barbri for both NY & NJ. but it's still annoying as hell. aint nobody got time to go find a printer to print hundreds of pages.

[Tanicius]

not only that, but also WHY AREN'T THE FILL-IN OUTLINES PRINTED IN A BOOK. it's so stupid.

well i mean, i get why...i paid less than half than what i would've paid for barbri for both NY & NJ. but it's still annoying as hell. aint nobody got time to go find a printer to print hundreds of pages.

Dat completely unnecessary 80-page Torts handout...

[Evaly]

Does anyone know if you can submit normal practice essays to be graded? If possibly I'd honestly prefer to have all of my essays graded. I want to closely monitor my style on the essays where I miraculously get the rule statements correct.

You can ask your adviser to take a look at your essays. Mine offered to do it for me, but only for the first few essays to make sure I am on the right track.

[puttycake]

damnit. it was in a follow up communication message that i missed...so I guess they did resend to everybody.

Okay, so I guess we don't excel in the "reading comprehension" portion of the bar prep.

[dudnaito]

Yeah, apparently, it varies by jurisdiction when they roll it out. I've confirmed they've given the Cali people a head start. At least for the Illinois people and presumably everyone else, they'll send us links on Monday

[ConsiderMeMilesDavis]

Does anybody know where I can find a printing press to deal with all of these handouts....

Also, how the eff is the FL Torts Distinctions outline bigger than the King James Bible

[WonkyPanda]

Does anybody know where I can find a printing press to deal with all of these handouts....

Also, how the eff is the FL Torts Distinctions outline bigger than the King James Bible

I just went to Fed-Ex/Kinkos. It was a little stiff at ~$85, but the guy messed up by printing the backsides upside down and gave me half off.

[Gotti]

Does anybody know where I can find a printing press to deal with all of these handouts....

Also, how the eff is the FL Torts Distinctions outline bigger than the King James Bible

doesn't your school have free printing (or at least printing up to a certain amount or number of pages)? i still have access to the library and i'm guessing my user ID and pw still work.

[Gotti]

Ummm I looked ahead and...why do we have to watch/read Federal Civ Pro lectures and outlines if it's not on the bar?

[FlanAl]

not only that, but also WHY AREN'T THE FILL-IN OUTLINES PRINTED IN A BOOK. it's so stupid.

well i mean, i get why...i paid less than half than what i would've paid for barbri for both NY & NJ. but it's still annoying as hell. aint nobody got time to go find a printer to print hundreds of pages.

Yeah, I had a mild freak out about that but then decided to just type stuff into the pdf as they go along, oddly enough I think it helps me focus better to do everything on the screen than to take my attention away from it with a printed out handout (i'm probably wrong about that though).

Also, I totally thought the recommended start date was 6/1 for all this stuff. I had to email them earlier in the week to get the directed study going earlier. Haven't really gotten started, planning on stepping it up next week though.

Oh, and checking in for a UBE state bar.

[dudnaito]

well, it's good that we're freaking out so early i think

[ConsiderMeMilesDavis]

Does anybody (FL) know where the zip file is located on the recent email regarding FL/MBE handouts?

[Kiwi917]

Ummm I looked ahead and...why do we have to watch/read Federal Civ Pro lectures and outlines if it's not on the bar?

What state are you taking? At least for CA, both FRCP and CA are testable in the essays. Took a quick look at the outline and the sheer number of grey boxes highlighting "distinctions" is terrifying.

[puttycake]

well, it's good that we're freaking out so early i think

I thought I knew torts. I don't know torts.

Do I know something? I'm sure I knew something once.

[jigglypuffdreams]

Ummm I looked ahead and...why do we have to watch/read Federal Civ Pro lectures and outlines if it's not on the bar?

Yeah I'm in Michigan, apparently we get tested on federal civil procedure on the state perspective. The lecture guy (Con law Jeffries dude) explains that the civil procedure lecture is meant for all the states that might test it on their essays section. I thought it was silly at first until I realized that the state civil procedure laws and federal civil procedure laws weren't too different and it was way easier to learn the civil procedure state distinctions once I had an overview/refresher of the federal rules.

[WonkyPanda]

well, it's good that we're freaking out so early i think

I thought I knew torts. I don't know torts.

Do I know something? I'm sure I knew something once.

Well, you now know that you don't know something. That's knowledge!

[SilverE2]

Add me to the abandoning the long outlines camp. I just learned a subject without looking at the long outline first, and I did as well as I've been doing on the practice problems (a little bit better, in fact). I'll go back to the outlines if my scores start sinking.

[Tanicius]

Add me to the abandoning the long outlines camp. I just learned a subject without looking at the long outline first, and I did as well as I've been doing on the practice problems (a little bit better, in fact). I'll go back to the outlines if my scores start sinking.

Yeah, for me, I had a very comprehensive class on Torts in 1L, and I pretty much knew every single concept covered by the lectures. The longer outline was entirely unnecessary for my Torts base of knowledge. I think I learned maybe five random help facts from the long outline when I looked up something I was unsure of.

But for Constitutional Law, it was absolutely necessary for me to use the long outline. I knew next to nothing about Separation of Powers and First Amendment Law, and some of my memory of 14th Amendment stuff was actually the opposite of reality. Having the detailed explanations helped.

For Evidence, I hardly even plan on reading anything, or even paying attention to the lectures. For Criminal Law, I'll watch the lectures but I doubt I'll need to rely on the long outline almost at all, save for some more advanced notions, like Inchoate Offenses. For Contracts and Real Property, I'll need to read the long outlines cover to cover.

Use the materials to your own personal advantages. Strengths and weaknesses from law school classes are actually having a much bigger effect on my memory for bar subjects than I ever expected.

[071816]

Why the f do they have me doing a real property essay before I've reviewed any of the material? I've reviewed community property. maybe it's a typo? I'm confused maybe it's time for me to step away from the bar prep stuff for a bit. i feel like i'm going insane.

[Genuine4ps]

Add me to the abandoning the long outlines camp. I just learned a subject without looking at the long outline first, and I did as well as I've been doing on the practice problems (a little bit better, in fact). I'll go back to the outlines if my scores start sinking.

Yeah, for me, I had a very comprehensive class on Torts in 1L, and I pretty much knew every single concept covered by the lectures. The longer outline was entirely unnecessary for my Torts base of knowledge. I think I learned maybe five random help facts from the long outline when I looked up something I was unsure of.

But for Constitutional Law, it was absolutely necessary for me to use the long outline. I knew next to nothing about Separation of Powers and First Amendment Law, and some of my memory of 14th Amendment stuff was actually the opposite of reality. Having the detailed explanations helped.

For Evidence, I hardly even plan on reading anything, or even paying attention to the lectures. For Criminal Law, I'll watch the lectures but I doubt I'll need to rely on the long outline almost at all, save for some more advanced notions, like Inchoate Offenses. For Contracts and Real Property, I'll need to read the long outlines cover to cover.

Use the materials to your own personal advantages. Strengths and weaknesses from law school classes are actually having a much bigger effect on my memory for bar subjects than I ever expected.

The reason I'm not reading the longer outline is not because I have a firm grasp on the subject at hand--it's because most of material in the long outline is not covered in the lecture. I don't see the point in reading all the nuances from the large outline if I'm not actually going to study them for the bar--I'm just studying the handouts for the bar. I'd rather use the time I've saved to either reread the handout or spend more time outlining. At least that's my logic.

[JJ556]

The reason I'm not reading the longer outline is not because I have a firm grasp on the subject at hand--it's because most of material in the long outline is not covered in the lecture. I don't see the point in reading all the nuances from the large outline if I'm not actually going to study them for the bar--I'm just studying the handouts for the bar. I'd rather use the time I've saved to either reread the handout or spend more time outlining. At least that's my logic.

That is my exact thought as well. If I don't understand something that has been gone over in the lecture or would like further clarification, then I consult the long outline.

[WonkyPanda]

Why the f do they have me doing a real property essay before I've reviewed any of the material? I've reviewed community property. maybe it's a typo? I'm confused maybe it's time for me to step away from the bar prep stuff for a bit. i feel like i'm going insane.

They encourage your first batches to be open book. Try to recall and spot closed. When you can't go on anymore, open up and see what the rules are.

[dudnaito]

Add me to the abandoning the long outlines camp. I just learned a subject without looking at the long outline first, and I did as well as I've been doing on the practice problems (a little bit better, in fact). I'll go back to the outlines if my scores start sinking.

Yeah, for me, I had a very comprehensive class on Torts in 1L, and I pretty much knew every single concept covered by the lectures. The longer outline was entirely unnecessary for my Torts base of knowledge. I think I learned maybe five random help facts from the long outline when I looked up something I was unsure of.

But for Constitutional Law, it was absolutely necessary for me to use the long outline. I knew next to nothing about Separation of Powers and First Amendment Law, and some of my memory of 14th Amendment stuff was actually the opposite of reality. Having the detailed explanations helped.

For Evidence, I hardly even plan on reading anything, or even paying attention to the lectures. For Criminal Law, I'll watch the lectures but I doubt I'll need to rely on the long outline almost at all, save for some more advanced notions, like Inchoate Offenses. For Contracts and Real Property, I'll need to read the long outlines cover to cover.

Use the materials to your own personal advantages. Strengths and weaknesses from law school classes are actually having a much bigger effect on my memory for bar subjects than I ever expected.

Luckily for me, i don't know shite.