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Re: MPRE

Post by Charger » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:07 pm

I'm taking the MPRE in November. Won't bother with studying for quite a while, but thinking ahead, what materials should I get to study? I haven't signed up for any bar prep programs yet, so I don't have any of that stuff.

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Post by yips » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:23 pm

Charger wrote:I'm taking the MPRE in November. Won't bother with studying for quite a while, but thinking ahead, what materials should I get to study? I haven't signed up for any bar prep programs yet, so I don't have any of that stuff.
When school starts up again, all of the bar prep companies will be tabling; they give away MPRE study materials for free to entice students to sign up for their bar courses. You won't have to sign up for anything just yet, though. Just grab one of the books and you'll be good. Pro tip: if you want to give one of the companies a test drive, the MPRE is a good way to do it. I personally realized that I hated the way that Kaplan structured their stuff from trying out their MPRE book.

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Re: MPRE

Post by Charger » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:34 pm

yips wrote:
Charger wrote:I'm taking the MPRE in November. Won't bother with studying for quite a while, but thinking ahead, what materials should I get to study? I haven't signed up for any bar prep programs yet, so I don't have any of that stuff.
When school starts up again, all of the bar prep companies will be tabling; they give away MPRE study materials for free to entice students to sign up for their bar courses. You won't have to sign up for anything just yet, though. Just grab one of the books and you'll be good. Pro tip: if you want to give one of the companies a test drive, the MPRE is a good way to do it. I personally realized that I hated the way that Kaplan structured their stuff from trying out their MPRE book.
I'll do that. Thanks!

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Re: MPRE

Post by JenDarby » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:43 pm

yips wrote:
Charger wrote:I'm taking the MPRE in November. Won't bother with studying for quite a while, but thinking ahead, what materials should I get to study? I haven't signed up for any bar prep programs yet, so I don't have any of that stuff.
When school starts up again, all of the bar prep companies will be tabling; they give away MPRE study materials for free to entice students to sign up for their bar courses. You won't have to sign up for anything just yet, though. Just grab one of the books and you'll be good. Pro tip: if you want to give one of the companies a test drive, the MPRE is a good way to do it. I personally realized that I hated the way that Kaplan structured their stuff from trying out their MPRE book.
I found the barbri questions far less helpful for the MPRE than Kaplan (I only used online resources) and that's why I went with Kaplan for bar prep. Oh, and Kaplan gave me an ipad and lets you retake for free (or 50% of the cost depending on when you signed up).

You don't have to bother with any of the reps, you should be able to sign up for both programs MPRE review online. Of course if you like using books, the reps will just hand you one.

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Re: MPRE

Post by Charger » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:48 pm

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Charger wrote:I'm taking the MPRE in November. Won't bother with studying for quite a while, but thinking ahead, what materials should I get to study? I haven't signed up for any bar prep programs yet, so I don't have any of that stuff.
When school starts up again, all of the bar prep companies will be tabling; they give away MPRE study materials for free to entice students to sign up for their bar courses. You won't have to sign up for anything just yet, though. Just grab one of the books and you'll be good. Pro tip: if you want to give one of the companies a test drive, the MPRE is a good way to do it. I personally realized that I hated the way that Kaplan structured their stuff from trying out their MPRE book.
I found the barbri questions far less helpful for the MPRE than Kaplan (I only used online resources) and that's why I went with Kaplan for bar prep. Oh, and Kaplan gave me an ipad and lets you retake for free (or 50% of the cost depending on when you signed up).

You don't have to bother with any of the reps, you should be able to sign up for both programs MPRE review online. Of course if you like using books, the reps will just hand you one.
Free iPad sounds tempting, but consensus seems to be that if firm is paying for bar prep then you might as well just go with Barbri. Credited?

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Re: MPRE

Post by JenDarby » Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:00 pm

Even if its paid for I would say that consensus is only derived from people who don't consider taking Kaplan. It comes down to personal preference, and I personally preferred Kaplan's materials. My group of friends that did Kaplan all had it paid for.

Also there's a choice as to whether you want to do live or online and the provisions where you live. for instacne if you do live in NY you actually get to see the person lecture. If you do live for barbri you watch a video in a classroom. Also, Kaplan has all the videos online from day one so you can work ahead (which allows you to get behind later) where Barbri uploads as they go.

Again, you should look into all options and decide what works best with your preferences.

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Re: MPRE

Post by yips » Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:08 pm

JenDarby wrote:Even if its paid for I would say that consensus is only derived from people who don't consider taking Kaplan. It comes down to personal preference, and I personally preferred Kaplan's materials. My group of friends that did Kaplan all had it paid for.

Also there's a choice as to whether you want to do live or online and the provisions where you live. for instacne if you do live in NY you actually get to see the person lecture. If you do live for barbri you watch a video in a classroom. Also, Kaplan has all the videos online from day one so you can work ahead (which allows you to get behind later) where Barbri uploads as they go.

Again, you should look into all options and decide what works best with your preferences.
Agreed. If your firm pays for one particular company, then yeah, just go with that company. If it will pay for any company you choose, then figure out what you prefer and where you will be. For example, if you're on the east coast trying to take the CA bar, then you almost certainly will not have a live course. It will be like JenDarby described: watch a video in a classroom.

I didn't do either Kaplan or Barbri; I chose Themis because I liked their format of 20-30 minute lecture segments followed by review questions. From what I gather, other companies have unbroken hours-long lectures, which I didn't think I could sit through.

All of the companies provide basically the same information, so it's really your call / depends on your learning style.

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Re: MPRE

Post by JenDarby » Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:12 pm

Additionally see if your school provides any subsidized materials. While I love Kaplan, my school paid for students to have access to Kaplan's MBE bank, a full simulated final including essays and MBE, and a Kaplan review lecture. I didn't even get through all of Kaplans questions, so having more by taking barbri wouldn't have really helped me, but for some it might.

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Post by Lwoods » Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:27 pm

JenDarby wrote:Even if its paid for I would say that consensus is only derived from people who don't consider taking Kaplan. It comes down to personal preference, and I personally preferred Kaplan's materials. My group of friends that did Kaplan all had it paid for.

Also there's a choice as to whether you want to do live or online and the provisions where you live. for instacne if you do live in NY you actually get to see the person lecture. If you do live for barbri you watch a video in a classroom. Also, Kaplan has all the videos online from day one so you can work ahead (which allows you to get behind later) where Barbri uploads as they go.

Again, you should look into all options and decide what works best with your preferences.
To clarify, I think this is only if you're signed up for a classroom course. I was able to work ahead signed up for the online only version.

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Re: MPRE

Post by sd5289 » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:02 am

I hate the fact that I am up this early for this stupid thing.

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Post by DonDrapersAttorney » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:31 pm

I walked away utterly confused and questioning my ability to live.

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Post by Ohiobumpkin » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:18 pm

Seemed pretty fair to me.

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Post by sd5289 » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:31 pm

I think I might have failed that thing.

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Re: MPRE

Post by encore1101 » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:04 pm

WVUguy11 wrote:
plath wrote:Why on earth won't they allow earplugs.
We weren't allowed to take them into the Bar exam in my jurisdiction, but they provided them inside the room. I guess they think someone will try to plant a device inside that will emit Fromm's Kaplan lecture.

Has anyone found a recent raw-scaled score conversion chart anywhere? I saw one somewhere from like 2005, but I am hoping to get a more modern sense of the number I need to get correct.

In New York, you need a scaled score of 85 to pass, which was between 32-35 answers correct at a minimum. Not sure which jurisdiction you're in, but hopefully gives you a ballpark figure of what you need.

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Re: MPRE

Post by thedive » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:52 am

Took the MPRE today. Didn't seem too bad. But then again, I also took it after the bar. Those questions seemed like a Hook'd on Fonix Test administered by Alex Trebek after that brutal MBE we experienced a week and a half ago.

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Post by Georgia Avenue » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:15 pm

thedive wrote:Took the MPRE today. Didn't seem too bad. But then again, I also took it after the bar. Those questions seemed like a Hook'd on Fonix Test administered by Alex Trebek after that brutal MBE we experienced a week and a half ago.
Yep. The MPRE was what I was expecting the MBE to be.

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Post by alexD30 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:08 pm

I took it right after the bar exam and I found it helpful.

Passed with a 91. Didn't overstudy and got enough sleep.

The MPRE felt like batting practice after taking "The Terrible", aka the MBE.

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Re: MPRE

Post by OhScalia » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:51 pm

Took it after studying for 8 hours (Barbri lecture 4 hours + 2 Hour barbri practice test + 2 hour review of said test). I scored over 100. No one failed this gimmie.

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Re: MPRE

Post by sd5289 » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:37 pm

Admit that I didn't believe it was a gimmie after walking out of there thinking wtf, but having passed with 8-10ish hours of Themis videos and questions the day before the test, I am a believer that anyone can pass the MPRE.

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Re: MPRE

Post by Ohiobumpkin » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:31 pm

Watched Barbri lecture twice, skimmed the outline (grand total of like 45 minutes)= passed with a score over 100. The MPRE really is the easiest test you will likely encounter throughout your legal education.

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Re: MPRE

Post by InsecureJD » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:18 am

I took the MPRE after the bar exam. THAT SUCKED. After the bar exam I was so wiped out, had to go back to work, and barely touched the books. I didn't watch the Barbri lecture in its entirety, and I walked out of the MPRE feeling like I failed it and seriously thinking it was tougher than the MBE (because I felt I didn't adequately prepare). I didn't even get the MPRE Barbri book (because I didn't know I had to order it separately). I skimmed the Barbri Prof Resp materials from that I had from the bar exam. I got a 99, and I'm not sure how that happened.

Listen, some people on here will try to poke fun of people who fail it, or say it's the easiest test in the world, don't need to study, etc. Contrary to popular belief, it isn't all common sense, and there are certain rules that are so idiosyncratic that common sense wouldn't help you anyway. Like any other test, take it seriously. I personally think I got lucky--it's not because I'm smarter or better than anyone else.

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Re: MPRE

Post by LAWYER2 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:05 pm

Gotdammit I totally forgot to register by 9/25 for the November exam!! My ability to practice law just got extended by another four months!!

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Re: MPRE

Post by Charger » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:56 am

How is the MPRE scored exactly. When it says you need 85 points or whatever, what does that mean exactly? Is that 85%, and if so, is that 85% out of 50 questions or 60 questions (50 + 10 ungraded)? Or is there some other way to calculate these points? I'm confused.

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Post by Jchance » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:30 am

Charger wrote:How is the MPRE scored exactly. When it says you need 85 points or whatever, what does that mean exactly? Is that 85%, and if so, is that 85% out of 50 questions or 60 questions (50 + 10 ungraded)? Or is there some other way to calculate these points? I'm confused.
I think its 85 points out of 150 points. 60 questions total, 10 ungraded.

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Re: MPRE

Post by Charger » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:34 am

Jchance wrote:
Charger wrote:How is the MPRE scored exactly. When it says you need 85 points or whatever, what does that mean exactly? Is that 85%, and if so, is that 85% out of 50 questions or 60 questions (50 + 10 ungraded)? Or is there some other way to calculate these points? I'm confused.
I think its 85 points out of 150 points. 60 questions total, 10 ungraded.
Okay, then what is a point? Is it 150/50, so that each question is worth 3 points?

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