Barbri paced program question? Forum

[LSATNightmares]

I just bombed the second set of torts MBE. Is it just me or did the lecture not cover a lot of material that they test on.

Yep- very frustrating. Does this mean read the CMR and memorize the details? Does this mean I should put those details in my outline (which I will atleast do that)? Is this BarBri trying to freak us out? Does this mean BarBri is a giant flame? Are they just "teaching questions"? There was some shit in there way out in left field. Very confusing/frustrating.

So, I also took MBE Torts 3 and did even worse -- 33%. One thing I noticed is that it's not my knowledge in the law that is throwing me off. I let misleading details shake my confidence in my knowledge. I also misread questions or overanalyze answer choices. Or I go for the overly broad answer choice, even though it's partially right and I know that. As they said initially in Barbri, this is a reading comprehension test in addition to a substantial knowledge test. Maybe that realization will help you like it did for me?

[ilovesf]

I just bombed the second set of torts MBE. Is it just me or did the lecture not cover a lot of material that they test on.

I took a one week break from Torts and just did that this evening. Got a 8/18... whooo!

I got 8/18 on the second torts one too. I think it is also partly due to taking it at night when I was super tired. By the end of it I just click answers and I cannot care enough to carefully read things.

[jarofsoup]

I just bombed the second set of torts MBE. Is it just me or did the lecture not cover a lot of material that they test on.

Yep- very frustrating. Does this mean read the CMR and memorize the details? Does this mean I should put those details in my outline (which I will atleast do that)? Is this BarBri trying to freak us out? Does this mean BarBri is a giant flame? Are they just "teaching questions"? There was some shit in there way out in left field. Very confusing/frustrating.

So, I also took MBE Torts 3 and did even worse -- 33%. One thing I noticed is that it's not my knowledge in the law that is throwing me off. I let misleading details shake my confidence in my knowledge. I also misread questions or overanalyze answer choices. Or I go for the overly broad answer choice, even though it's partially right and I know that. As they said initially in Barbri, this is a reading comprehension test in addition to a substantial knowledge test. Maybe that realization will help you like it did for me?

I think the lesson for me is to go with my gut. I do a lot better when I go with the first choice that I think is right, but when I second guess always wrong.

I am waiting for the 3rd set. Did anyone else find Espstien to be incredibly convoluted?

[ilovesf]

I am waiting for the 3rd set. Did anyone else find Espstien to be incredibly convoluted?

I dislike him. I prefer the torts guy. I don't like having so many hypos, and not even having a chance to do any or think about them because he says all of the answers ahead of time.

[LSATNightmares]

Everyone else might get the third Torts set much later than me. I'm in that strange class that started a week early and stopped for a week, and in the off week they just assigned a bunch of extra Torts stuff. I instead just moved ahead and then went back to do the extra Torts stuff.

ilovesf, you make me feel so much better about my 8/18! haha.

I liked Epstein. I couldn't retain anything from the Mini-review. But I would have liked more explanation with the logic of the rules. Contracts just seems so random in what it requires.

[jarofsoup]

Has anyone paused to think how insane the bar exam is? Memorize all this subjects for a 12 to 18 hours exam and then vomit on the pages. Pray and maybe pass

[LSATNightmares]

Has anyone paused to think how insane the bar exam is? Memorize all this subjects for a 12 to 18 hours exam and then vomit on the pages. Pray and maybe pass

Yeah, we all know that we're all just cramming and will forget this stuff a couple months after the bar. But I guess bar associations need to try and keep the worst of people out.

[MoneyMay]

Anybody else feeling overwhelmed? I listen to the lectures and do the practice problems after reviewing and of course half the problems in StudySmart aren't covered in the lecture (so I do poorly overall). Then I get my graded essay back and according to the grader it was shit (I don't know if she actually read it, there were comments on about half of it so I think she probably skimmed it). On top of all of that, new material comes in everyday. Or is it just me?

[kaiser]

Keep in mind that Barbri graders are FAR more strict than on the real thing. You know when you hit the issues, and getting a statement of law 90% right is absolutely good enough.

Everyone who goes through BarBri gets scared and concerned. Its part of the process, and a necessary part of their business model. This is the one case where I can genuinely say with pretty much 100% confidence that nearly every single one of you, if not all of you, will be fine. I disregarded the paced program within just a few weeks. Kept listening to the lectures, but did essays and MBE sets as I pleased, focusing on my weaker areas. I made flashcards to drill elements and points of law (used an online app that synced with my phone so I could have thuosands of flashcards with me at all times).

I did all of 2 practice MPT's. I waited until pretty much the last 2 weeks to start doing practice essays. I didn't understand property for shit. I almost never did AMP. Paced program said I was something like 50% complete. And I passed the exam easily. So don't stress too much with the Barbri stuff.

[MoneyMay]

Keep in mind that Barbri graders are FAR more strict than on the real thing. You know when you hit the issues, and getting a statement of law 90% right is absolutely good enough.

Everyone who goes through BarBri gets scared and concerned. Its part of the process, and a necessary part of their business model. This is the one case where I can genuinely say with pretty much 100% confidence that nearly every single one of you, if not all of you, will be fine. I disregarded the paced program within just a few weeks. Kept listening to the lectures, but did essays and MBE sets as I pleased, focusing on my weaker areas. I made flashcards to drill elements and points of law (used an online app that synced with my phone so I could have thuosands of flashcards with me at all times).

I did all of 2 practice MPT's. I waited until pretty much the last 2 weeks to start doing practice essays. I didn't understand property for shit. I almost never did AMP. Paced program said I was something like 50% complete. And I passed the exam easily. So don't stress too much with the Barbri stuff.

Thanks-- that actually made me feel better.

[adonai]

I read somewhere here or in a different forum that barbris training manual for graders actually encourages them to intentionally fail students. Is that true?

I'm getting practice essays and pts back at like 1 am. You could totally tell they wanted to get their work done with and go to sleep. Comments tended to contradict each other and I even got two different scores (60 written on my answer, 55 written on the website) for one of them.

[mvpforme]

I'm confused. How do we submit practice essays for grading?

Edit: Ah. I just saw my class is allowed to submit three essays, starting in late June. Awesome. Found out via a link on the left side of the paced program page.

[jarofsoup]

I read somewhere here or in a different forum that barbris training manual for graders actually encourages them to intentionally fail students. Is that true?

I'm getting practice essays and pts back at like 1 am. You could totally tell they wanted to get their work done with and go to sleep. Comments tended to contradict each other and I even got two different scores (60 written on my answer, 55 written on the website) for one of them.

can you get all of the essays graded?

[adonai]

I read somewhere here or in a different forum that barbris training manual for graders actually encourages them to intentionally fail students. Is that true?

I'm getting practice essays and pts back at like 1 am. You could totally tell they wanted to get their work done with and go to sleep. Comments tended to contradict each other and I even got two different scores (60 written on my answer, 55 written on the website) for one of them.

can you get all of the essays graded?

No. I think some schools have special programs where you get to submit more essays for grading. Some schools also started very early so technically they're a month or so ahead of others.

[waytoplant]

Why are people doing torts practice questions? Aren't all paced programs the same? Mine has only completed con law and crim/crim pro…Are we supposed to be working ahead?

[fundamentallybroken]

Why are people doing torts practice questions? Aren't all paced programs the same? Mine has only completed con law and crim/crim pro…Are we supposed to be working ahead?

Every program covers the subjects in different order, presumably so they can schedule the live lecturers to be in different places all over the country.

[rawrab]

should I be worried that about 50% of the time on the stupid sets I'm 1-3 questions short of the goal score?? Studying is such a mind fuck

[mvpforme]

should I be worried that about 50% of the time on the stupid sets I'm 1-3 questions short of the goal score?? Studying is such a mind fuck

I'm wondering this too, but I am always ± 2 of the target score. Thoughts?

[belowthelaw57]

I just bombed the second set of torts MBE. Is it just me or did the lecture not cover a lot of material that they test on.

Yep- very frustrating. Does this mean read the CMR and memorize the details? Does this mean I should put those details in my outline (which I will atleast do that)? Is this BarBri trying to freak us out? Does this mean BarBri is a giant flame? Are they just "teaching questions"? There was some shit in there way out in left field. Very confusing/frustrating.

So, I also took MBE Torts 3 and did even worse -- 33%. One thing I noticed is that it's not my knowledge in the law that is throwing me off. I let misleading details shake my confidence in my knowledge. I also misread questions or overanalyze answer choices. Or I go for the overly broad answer choice, even though it's partially right and I know that. As they said initially in Barbri, this is a reading comprehension test in addition to a substantial knowledge test. Maybe that realization will help you like it did for me?

I've noticed that in Con Law I've gotten questions wrong because of poorly worded questions. There's something unstated in the question or in the answer, that were it stated, would be correct, but it is not. That then throws me off and there are no good answers left. Or sometimes they have questions that involve judgment calls with facts that aren't clear-cut but they talk about it in the answer like it's 100% BLL.

[umstah]

hate to ask an annoying question, but am i deathly behind in bar prep? (CA) i'm finally in "oh shit" mode.

so for some reason our course started a week earlier than everyone else in barbri, meaning we've covered three topics while most people have covered two. i missed the first week (contracts), but have kept up with the lectures/notes stuff/conviser for the following two weeks (evidence, property). in the last two days, i finally started doing the assigned work beyond that, mainly mbe problem sets. i we have no class tomorrow, so i plan to use the longer weekend to watch the three contracts lectures and start doing the mbe problems for them and start writing essays. assuming i do this stuff over the next three days (along with the weekend mbe problem sets/essays), will i be reasonably up to speed? or are things looking grim? oh also, i found amp to be useless so i stopped doing it. i'm trying to take comfort that it's still early june so maybe i can overcome this early period of slacking...

[LSATNightmares]

hate to ask an annoying question, but am i deathly behind in bar prep? (CA) i'm finally in "oh shit" mode.

so for some reason our course started a week earlier than everyone else in barbri, meaning we've covered three topics while most people have covered two. i missed the first week (contracts), but have kept up with the lectures/notes stuff/conviser for the following two weeks (evidence, property). in the last two days, i finally started doing the assigned work beyond that, mainly mbe problem sets. i we have no class tomorrow, so i plan to use the longer weekend to watch the three contracts lectures and start doing the mbe problems for them and start writing essays. assuming i do this stuff over the next three days (along with the weekend mbe problem sets/essays), will i be reasonably up to speed? or are things looking grim? oh also, i found amp to be useless so i stopped doing it. i'm trying to take comfort that it's still early june so maybe i can overcome this early period of slacking...

I think you're okay. I would look ahead in your schedule and see where you can catch up. For example, I noticed that there is nothing assigned the weekend of July 4th, so worst comes to worst you have that. I also find that catching up on the weekends is doable. The workload seems to be lighter then.

[Stinson]

For the people worried about AMP, stop doing AMP. I took a pretty easy state but I just:

1. Did the lectures, 1.5 speed. As stupid and painful as they are, there were things I remembered because Paula Franzese sang some stupid song about it.
2. Did all the review questions
3. Said "fuck it" to AMP after a couple weeks
4. Practiced essays as Barbri suggested, but didn't grade them (you can get a good enough idea if you're hitting the main issues from reading the answers - their grading is hypercritical and designed to terrify). By practice I mean if they assigned three I would write one and outline two. Their model answers are sometimes kind of bullshit - random crim law stuff in contracts questions - but don't let it faze you.
4. Condensed the CMR things into more usable 15-30 page charts, the kind you can actually review. I gave more space to stuff they covered in lecture, because that's the important stuff generally. I made a schedule to review these, based on how likely they were to be on the exam (i.e. lots of review of all MBE subjects, then proportionately less for state essay subjects.)

There will be things you don't know on the exam. That's just how it is. The MBE had some completely absurd questions when I took it. But whatever, you get them wrong, and you nail all the stuff about fee determinables and manslaughter and 1st amendment and you do fine.

[ShitLawOrBust]

should I be worried that about 50% of the time on the stupid sets I'm 1-3 questions short of the goal score?? Studying is such a mind fuck

I'm wondering this too, but I am always ± 2 of the target score. Thoughts?

Where can you find the target scores at? I haven't seen these

[LSATNightmares]

Has anyone figured out a way to download the Barbri videos in advance so you can watch them when you don't have Internet? I looked around and it seemed as if we couldn't.

[Gecko of Doom]

Has anyone figured out a way to download the Barbri videos in advance so you can watch them when you don't have Internet? I looked around and it seemed as if we couldn't.

You can use their mobile app to download them to your phone, which works pretty well. I haven't found a way to do it on a computer, though.