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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by mmmnnn » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:13 pm

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A state law provided that before an abortion may be performed a woman must (a) have a consultation with a physician, who should try to persuade the woman to have her baby, and (b) wait another 24 hours before seeking an abortion. A woman in the middle of her first trimester of pregnancy challenges the constitutionality of the law. Would a court be likely to strike down this law?

Answer Choices:

No, because the state has a rational basis for requiring the consultation and 24-hour waiting period.
No, because the state’s purpose is not to hinder women’s right to choose abortion, but merely to persuade women to choose birth and to ensure that their decisions are deliberate.
Yes, because the law violates the woman’s liberty interest in abortion protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.
Yes, because a state’s power to regulate abortions does not include the power to impose waiting periods.

Rationale: Answer choice B is correct. A state cannot place an “undue burden” on a woman’s fundamental Fourteenth Amendment Due Process liberty interest in having an abortion before fetal viability. However, the state law here does not constitute such an undue burden, as states may try to persuade women not to choose abortion and may impose reasonable waiting periods, so long as states do not hinder a woman’s right to choose abortion thereafter. For this reason, answer choices C and D are incorrect. Answer choice A is incorrect because a law that interferes with a fundamental right, such as abortion, is subject to strict scrutiny, not rational basis analysis.
To me, B is an irrelevant statement and A is correct. The Supreme Court has expressly rejected strict scrutiny for all abortion restrictions, and said in Carhart that a restriction must pass rational basis and not be an undue burden. So, the application of "undue burden" that I learned in law school is this: If the restriction imposes no undue burden, it's reviewed under the rational basis test; if it imposes an undue burden, it gets quasi-strict scrutiny.

I decided (1) this is not an undue burden, so (2) it must pass only rational basis review. I guess choice B is another way of saying "this is not an undue burden," but that doesn't mean A is wrong. In fact, it makes A more right, depending on what "undue burden" really means, which to my knowledge the Supreme Court has not fully explained.

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Abortion is intermediate scrutiny, not rational basis.
Well, the Supreme Court said something very different in Carhart. And in either case, that still makes Themis's explanation partially wrong.

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Question Text: A patient sued her physician for malpractice due to the physician’s failure to timely diagnosis the patient’s diabetes. At trial, the patient offered testimony from a national expert that the physician’s failure to give the patient a newly developed test constituted a breach of the national standard of care. The physician countered this testimony with his own expert testimony that no physician within the local area utilized the new test. Consequently, the physician’s expert concluded that the required standard of care was not breached. The physician moved for summary judgment. How should the court rule on the motion?


Deny the motion, because a physician is held to a national standard of care.
Deny the motion, because the court may determine that the local medical standards are negligent.
Grant the motion, because the physician’s proffered expert testimony established that his medical practices fell within the standard of care observed within the community.
Grant the motion, because a physician is normally held to a local standard of care.

Rationale: Answer choice B is correct. Ordinarily, a professional person is expected to exhibit the same skill, knowledge, and care as another practitioner in the same community. However, while evidence of custom in a community or profession may be offered to establish the proper standard of care, such evidence is not conclusive. The court may determine that the entire community or profession may be negligent. Thus, while the physician may have complied with widespread local practices, the court may determine that those practices are negligent. For that reason, answer choices A, C, and D are incorrect. (Note: The modern trend is to subject medical specialists to a national standard of care.)
We should assume the modern trend doesn't apply on the MBE?

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by Tanicius » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:41 pm

Carhart doesn't seem to talk about rational basis. It seems to be about undue burden, only.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Carhart

I'd look it up on Westlaw but I can't remember my account information, if it's even still valid.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by TooManyLoans » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:42 pm

mmmnnn wrote:
Tanicius wrote:
mmmnnn wrote:
A state law provided that before an abortion may be performed a woman must (a) have a consultation with a physician, who should try to persuade the woman to have her baby, and (b) wait another 24 hours before seeking an abortion. A woman in the middle of her first trimester of pregnancy challenges the constitutionality of the law. Would a court be likely to strike down this law?

Answer Choices:

No, because the state has a rational basis for requiring the consultation and 24-hour waiting period.
No, because the state’s purpose is not to hinder women’s right to choose abortion, but merely to persuade women to choose birth and to ensure that their decisions are deliberate.
Yes, because the law violates the woman’s liberty interest in abortion protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.
Yes, because a state’s power to regulate abortions does not include the power to impose waiting periods.

Rationale: Answer choice B is correct. A state cannot place an “undue burden” on a woman’s fundamental Fourteenth Amendment Due Process liberty interest in having an abortion before fetal viability. However, the state law here does not constitute such an undue burden, as states may try to persuade women not to choose abortion and may impose reasonable waiting periods, so long as states do not hinder a woman’s right to choose abortion thereafter. For this reason, answer choices C and D are incorrect. Answer choice A is incorrect because a law that interferes with a fundamental right, such as abortion, is subject to strict scrutiny, not rational basis analysis.
To me, B is an irrelevant statement and A is correct. The Supreme Court has expressly rejected strict scrutiny for all abortion restrictions, and said in Carhart that a restriction must pass rational basis and not be an undue burden. So, the application of "undue burden" that I learned in law school is this: If the restriction imposes no undue burden, it's reviewed under the rational basis test; if it imposes an undue burden, it gets quasi-strict scrutiny.

I decided (1) this is not an undue burden, so (2) it must pass only rational basis review. I guess choice B is another way of saying "this is not an undue burden," but that doesn't mean A is wrong. In fact, it makes A more right, depending on what "undue burden" really means, which to my knowledge the Supreme Court has not fully explained.

Blah.
Abortion is intermediate scrutiny, not rational basis.
Well, the Supreme Court said something very different in Carhart. And in either case, that still makes Themis's explanation partially wrong.

Also:
Question Text: A patient sued her physician for malpractice due to the physician’s failure to timely diagnosis the patient’s diabetes. At trial, the patient offered testimony from a national expert that the physician’s failure to give the patient a newly developed test constituted a breach of the national standard of care. The physician countered this testimony with his own expert testimony that no physician within the local area utilized the new test. Consequently, the physician’s expert concluded that the required standard of care was not breached. The physician moved for summary judgment. How should the court rule on the motion?


Deny the motion, because a physician is held to a national standard of care.
Deny the motion, because the court may determine that the local medical standards are negligent.
Grant the motion, because the physician’s proffered expert testimony established that his medical practices fell within the standard of care observed within the community.
Grant the motion, because a physician is normally held to a local standard of care.

Rationale: Answer choice B is correct. Ordinarily, a professional person is expected to exhibit the same skill, knowledge, and care as another practitioner in the same community. However, while evidence of custom in a community or profession may be offered to establish the proper standard of care, such evidence is not conclusive. The court may determine that the entire community or profession may be negligent. Thus, while the physician may have complied with widespread local practices, the court may determine that those practices are negligent. For that reason, answer choices A, C, and D are incorrect. (Note: The modern trend is to subject medical specialists to a national standard of care.)
We should assume the modern trend doesn't apply on the MBE?
Why not just go by what it says in the outline and the lectures. It says it cannot put an undue burden on the woman's choice. It also gives examples of things that are considered an undue burden.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by WonkyPanda » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:55 pm

Tanicius wrote:
mmmnnn wrote:
A state law provided that before an abortion may be performed a woman must (a) have a consultation with a physician, who should try to persuade the woman to have her baby, and (b) wait another 24 hours before seeking an abortion. A woman in the middle of her first trimester of pregnancy challenges the constitutionality of the law. Would a court be likely to strike down this law?

Answer Choices:

No, because the state has a rational basis for requiring the consultation and 24-hour waiting period.
No, because the state’s purpose is not to hinder women’s right to choose abortion, but merely to persuade women to choose birth and to ensure that their decisions are deliberate.
Yes, because the law violates the woman’s liberty interest in abortion protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.
Yes, because a state’s power to regulate abortions does not include the power to impose waiting periods.

Rationale: Answer choice B is correct. A state cannot place an “undue burden” on a woman’s fundamental Fourteenth Amendment Due Process liberty interest in having an abortion before fetal viability. However, the state law here does not constitute such an undue burden, as states may try to persuade women not to choose abortion and may impose reasonable waiting periods, so long as states do not hinder a woman’s right to choose abortion thereafter. For this reason, answer choices C and D are incorrect. Answer choice A is incorrect because a law that interferes with a fundamental right, such as abortion, is subject to strict scrutiny, not rational basis analysis.
To me, B is an irrelevant statement and A is correct. The Supreme Court has expressly rejected strict scrutiny for all abortion restrictions, and said in Carhart that a restriction must pass rational basis and not be an undue burden. So, the application of "undue burden" that I learned in law school is this: If the restriction imposes no undue burden, it's reviewed under the rational basis test; if it imposes an undue burden, it gets quasi-strict scrutiny.

I decided (1) this is not an undue burden, so (2) it must pass only rational basis review. I guess choice B is another way of saying "this is not an undue burden," but that doesn't mean A is wrong. In fact, it makes A more right, depending on what "undue burden" really means, which to my knowledge the Supreme Court has not fully explained.

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Abortion is intermediate scrutiny, not rational basis.
Well, abortion is actually a fundamental right, thereby requiring SS. However, Casey created this odd "undue burden" test, which I suppose would make it less of a standard than SS (e.g. IS). But, I would shy away from saying "IS" because the test is not, "substantially...important." The test for abortion is that it doesn't impose an "undue burden" on the fundamental right to abortion. What that means? Not even the Justices know.


EDIT:

Also, Carhart is not THAT expansive. However, rational basis can be used for certain procedures. Carhart is an overly dense, and poorly written imo, decision. I'd keep it simple here. Because what definitively does and doesn't receive a rational test in light of an undue burden is so amorphous, that it isn't just "rational + no undue = okay."

However, I do agree that the question is poorly thought out. Abortion rights are extremely foggy at the moment and making a question like that is just unfair. You could EASILY argue for A.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by iLoveFruits&Veggies » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:08 pm

WonkyPanda wrote:
Tanicius wrote:
mmmnnn wrote:
A state law provided that before an abortion may be performed a woman must (a) have a consultation with a physician, who should try to persuade the woman to have her baby, and (b) wait another 24 hours before seeking an abortion. A woman in the middle of her first trimester of pregnancy challenges the constitutionality of the law. Would a court be likely to strike down this law?

Answer Choices:

No, because the state has a rational basis for requiring the consultation and 24-hour waiting period.
No, because the state’s purpose is not to hinder women’s right to choose abortion, but merely to persuade women to choose birth and to ensure that their decisions are deliberate.
Yes, because the law violates the woman’s liberty interest in abortion protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.
Yes, because a state’s power to regulate abortions does not include the power to impose waiting periods.

Rationale: Answer choice B is correct. A state cannot place an “undue burden” on a woman’s fundamental Fourteenth Amendment Due Process liberty interest in having an abortion before fetal viability. However, the state law here does not constitute such an undue burden, as states may try to persuade women not to choose abortion and may impose reasonable waiting periods, so long as states do not hinder a woman’s right to choose abortion thereafter. For this reason, answer choices C and D are incorrect. Answer choice A is incorrect because a law that interferes with a fundamental right, such as abortion, is subject to strict scrutiny, not rational basis analysis.
To me, B is an irrelevant statement and A is correct. The Supreme Court has expressly rejected strict scrutiny for all abortion restrictions, and said in Carhart that a restriction must pass rational basis and not be an undue burden. So, the application of "undue burden" that I learned in law school is this: If the restriction imposes no undue burden, it's reviewed under the rational basis test; if it imposes an undue burden, it gets quasi-strict scrutiny.

I decided (1) this is not an undue burden, so (2) it must pass only rational basis review. I guess choice B is another way of saying "this is not an undue burden," but that doesn't mean A is wrong. In fact, it makes A more right, depending on what "undue burden" really means, which to my knowledge the Supreme Court has not fully explained.

Blah.
Abortion is intermediate scrutiny, not rational basis.
Well, abortion is actually a fundamental right, thereby requiring SS. However, Casey created this odd "undue burden" test, which I suppose would make it less of a standard than SS (e.g. IS). But, I would shy away from saying "IS" because the test is not, "substantially...important." The test for abortion is that it doesn't impose an "undue burden" on the fundamental right to abortion. What that means? Not even the Justices know.


EDIT:

Also, Carhart is not THAT expansive. However, rational basis can be used for certain procedures. Carhart is an overly dense, and poorly written imo, decision. I'd keep it simple here. Because what definitively does and doesn't receive a rational test in light of an undue burden is so amorphous, that it isn't just "rational + no undue = okay."

However, I do agree that the question is poorly thought out. Abortion rights are extremely foggy at the moment and making a question like that is just unfair. You could EASILY argue for A.
I can see a ton of people getting that one wrong... and can't imagine it being on the MBE. I haven't come across it before. Did Themis write it?

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Post by WonkyPanda » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:13 pm

I'd bet money on it.

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Post by numbertwo88 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:19 pm

Do you all have your essays graded for structure as well?

I'm about 100% sure my structure is perfect but somehow, the essay grader gave me a 3 out of 7 on structure and it has ruined my night.

It's an evidence question where the question listed 7 pieces of evidence in list form. My structure literally mimics the model answer.

Perhaps I'm too dumb to comprehend what the hell structure means? Or maybe she is just being unreasonable and grading overly ridiculous. I do not have the time for this.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by Tanicius » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:21 pm

numbertwo88 wrote:Do you all have your essays graded for structure as well?

I'm about 100% sure my structure is perfect but somehow, the essay grader gave me a 3 out of 7 on structure and it has ruined my night.

It's an evidence question where the question listed 7 pieces of evidence in list form. My structure literally mimics the model answer.

Perhaps I'm too dumb to comprehend what the hell structure means? Or maybe she is just being unreasonable and grading overly ridiculous. I do not have the time for this.
LoL, your grader's either an ass or just didn't have time to look over your answer in detail. Wouldn't worry about it.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by dtl » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:42 pm

numbertwo88 wrote:Do you all have your essays graded for structure as well?

I'm about 100% sure my structure is perfect but somehow, the essay grader gave me a 3 out of 7 on structure and it has ruined my night.

It's an evidence question where the question listed 7 pieces of evidence in list form. My structure literally mimics the model answer.

Perhaps I'm too dumb to comprehend what the hell structure means? Or maybe she is just being unreasonable and grading overly ridiculous. I do not have the time for this.
I think a lot of people feel that the graded essay comments are a little arbitrary and sparse in explanation. Look at the released answers by Calbar, plus the non-themis model answers via google (exam doctor et al come up a lot).

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Post by j1987 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:42 pm

How many of you have a bunch of stuff memorized???

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by iLoveFruits&Veggies » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:45 pm

dtl wrote:
numbertwo88 wrote:Do you all have your essays graded for structure as well?

I'm about 100% sure my structure is perfect but somehow, the essay grader gave me a 3 out of 7 on structure and it has ruined my night.

It's an evidence question where the question listed 7 pieces of evidence in list form. My structure literally mimics the model answer.

Perhaps I'm too dumb to comprehend what the hell structure means? Or maybe she is just being unreasonable and grading overly ridiculous. I do not have the time for this.
I think a lot of people feel that the graded essay comments are a little arbitrary and sparse in explanation. Look at the released answers by Calbar, plus the non-themis model answers via google (exam doctor et al come up a lot).
I've come to the conclusion that no matter what bar review programs tell people, there's no ONE ideal structure. I made the mistake of getting too many bar prep materials for the essays (because I'm horrible at them). I have Barbri's Essay Exam Practice Workbook, the Bar Code Cheat Sheet Book, student examples off of the CA Bar site, and the Themis Essay Templates, and they're all different. It's driving me crazy. So I think, after taking in everyone's opinion and advice, do what you think is best... I don't trust anyone 100% anymore - it all seems pretty subjective at this point... especially with 6 different graders looking at our essays... at lightening speed! :shock:
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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

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iLoveFruits&Veggies wrote: A state law provided that before an abortion may be performed a woman must (a) have a consultation with a physician, who should try to persuade the woman to have her baby, and (b) wait another 24 hours before seeking an abortion. A woman in the middle of her first trimester of pregnancy challenges the constitutionality of the law. Would a court be likely to strike down this law?

Answer Choices:

No, because the state has a rational basis for requiring the consultation and 24-hour waiting period.
No, because the state’s purpose is not to hinder women’s right to choose abortion, but merely to persuade women to choose birth and to ensure that their decisions are deliberate.
Yes, because the law violates the woman’s liberty interest in abortion protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.
Yes, because a state’s power to regulate abortions does not include the power to impose waiting periods.

Rationale: Answer choice B is correct. A state cannot place an “undue burden” on a woman’s fundamental Fourteenth Amendment Due Process liberty interest in having an abortion before fetal viability. However, the state law here does not constitute such an undue burden, as states may try to persuade women not to choose abortion and may impose reasonable waiting periods, so long as states do not hinder a woman’s right to choose abortion thereafter. For this reason, answer choices C and D are incorrect. Answer choice A is incorrect because a law that interferes with a fundamental right, such as abortion, is subject to strict scrutiny, not rational basis analysis.
I don't understand the issue with this question. A is clearly the wrong answer as abortion is not rational basis. That Casey limited the undue burden test below strict scrutiny has no bearing on the fact it's certainly not rational review. Anyway, because of this confusion this is exactly the type of question you are limited to asking about the topic. If you go look at Casey's ruling, answer B parrots almost word for word what the state is allowed to do.

To be clear, the reason B is correct is because it tells you precisely why it would survive review. Even if we assume rational review applies to things not an undue burden, the answer skips a beat. For you to think A is correct, it has to be because of B. Not the other way around.

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Post by numbertwo88 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:07 am

j1987 wrote:How many of you have a bunch of stuff memorized???
Not me :(

I've accepted the fact I'll never memorize everything and that seems like the first step to feeling good.

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iLoveFruits&Veggies wrote:
dtl wrote:
numbertwo88 wrote:Do you all have your essays graded for structure as well?

I'm about 100% sure my structure is perfect but somehow, the essay grader gave me a 3 out of 7 on structure and it has ruined my night.

It's an evidence question where the question listed 7 pieces of evidence in list form. My structure literally mimics the model answer.

Perhaps I'm too dumb to comprehend what the hell structure means? Or maybe she is just being unreasonable and grading overly ridiculous. I do not have the time for this.
I think a lot of people feel that the graded essay comments are a little arbitrary and sparse in explanation. Look at the released answers by Calbar, plus the non-themis model answers via google (exam doctor et al come up a lot).
I've come to the conclusion that no matter what bar review programs tell people, there's no ONE ideal structure. I made the mistake of getting too many bar prep materials for the essays (because I'm horrible at them). I have Barbri's Essay Exam Practice Workbook, the Bar Code Cheat Sheet Book, student examples off of the CA Bar site, and the Themis Essay Templates, and they're all different. It's driving me crazy. So I think, after taking in everyone's opinion and advice, do what you think is best... I don't trust anyone 100% anymore - it all seems pretty subjective at this point... especially with 6 different graders looking at our essays... at lightening speed! :shock:
I feel like we're all becoming too concerned about the style of the essays when we should be focusing most on the substance. In other words, we should just know the law better. We've all been through law school and know how to analyze the law.

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j1987 wrote:How many of you have a bunch of stuff memorized???
Negative.

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Post by iLoveFruits&Veggies » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:11 am

on a completely random note:

1. I'm worried that I'll miss sipping on my hot coffee while taking the Bar and will get really tired.

and...

2. I'm worried that I won't be able to fall asleep the night before.

Ok, back to the books! lol

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iLoveFruits&Veggies wrote:on a completely random note:

1. I'm worried that I'll miss sipping on my hot coffee while taking the Bar and will get really tired.

and...

2. I'm worried that I won't be able to fall asleep the night before.

Ok, back to the books! lol
1. Probably doesn't matter, but i'd cut that out.

2. I think I had that same concern during the LSAT. Just go to sleep at the same time from here on out, and wake up at the same time. Most importantly, even if you couldn't sleep, you're not fucked. You will have so much adrenaline pumping through your veins that it won't matter.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by mizunoami » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:16 am

I'm at the point where I'm getting well over 70% on the mixed MBE questions, my graded essays are fine, I could probably 100% complete the course in the time we have left, but I've hit a complete wall motivation wise. A part of me kind of wants to say screw it, I'm sure I'll be fine....

How are you motivating yourself for the final push? And don't say sheer terror, haha.

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Post by iLoveFruits&Veggies » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:18 am

Genuine4ps wrote:
iLoveFruits&Veggies wrote:on a completely random note:

1. I'm worried that I'll miss sipping on my hot coffee while taking the Bar and will get really tired.

and...

2. I'm worried that I won't be able to fall asleep the night before.

Ok, back to the books! lol
1. Probably doesn't matter, but i'd cut that out.

2. I think I had that same concern during the LSAT. Just go to sleep at the same time from here on out, and wake up at the same time. Most importantly, even if you couldn't sleep, you're not fucked. You will have so much adrenaline pumping through your veins that it won't matter.
I've been really good about making sure I'm asleep by midnight and awake by 7am for the past couple of weeks! (even though I'd much rather study late and sleep in) and hopefully you're right about the adrenaline pumping through my veins to take the place of my cup o' joe ;) I just got a bit worried since I got really tired during the practice 3 hour MBE exam.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by Tanicius » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:21 am

mizunoami wrote:I'm at the point where I'm getting well over 70% on the mixed MBE questions, my graded essays are fine, I could probably 100% complete the course in the time we have left, but I've hit a complete wall motivation wise. A part of me kind of wants to say screw it, I'm sure I'll be fine....

How are you motivating yourself for the final push? And don't say sheer terror, haha.
Same exact situation. I've become really complacent now. If anything, that's served as my chief motivation. By now, I don't really care about stress, whatever its cause. If it's stress, it'll keep driving me, and that's all that matters.

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Post by iLoveFruits&Veggies » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:23 am

Tanicius wrote:
mizunoami wrote:I'm at the point where I'm getting well over 70% on the mixed MBE questions, my graded essays are fine, I could probably 100% complete the course in the time we have left, but I've hit a complete wall motivation wise. A part of me kind of wants to say screw it, I'm sure I'll be fine....

How are you motivating yourself for the final push? And don't say sheer terror, haha.
Same exact situation. I've become really complacent now. If anything, that's served as my chief motivation. By now, I don't really care about stress, whatever its cause. If it's stress, it'll keep driving me, and that's all that matters.
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Post by numbertwo88 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:23 am

Genuine4ps wrote: I feel like we're all becoming too concerned about the style of the essays when we should be focusing most on the substance. In other words, we should just know the law better. We've all been through law school and know how to analyze the law.
That's part of it too. My application of the law was good per her grading and my contrasting the model to my own, but still, it knocked the grade down and that is what bothered me. I don't want to think I'm going to be shafted on exam day because of a structural issue because every point counts given my feelings about the MBE.
mizunoami wrote:I'm at the point where I'm getting well over 70% on the mixed MBE questions, my graded essays are fine, I could probably 100% complete the course in the time we have left, but I've hit a complete wall motivation wise. A part of me kind of wants to say screw it, I'm sure I'll be fine....

How are you motivating yourself for the final push? And don't say sheer terror, haha.
Telling myself I never want to take this damn exam ever again.

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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by Genuine4ps » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:30 am

Tanicius wrote:
mizunoami wrote:I'm at the point where I'm getting well over 70% on the mixed MBE questions, my graded essays are fine, I could probably 100% complete the course in the time we have left, but I've hit a complete wall motivation wise. A part of me kind of wants to say screw it, I'm sure I'll be fine....

How are you motivating yourself for the final push? And don't say sheer terror, haha.
Same exact situation. I've become really complacent now. If anything, that's served as my chief motivation. By now, I don't really care about stress, whatever its cause. If it's stress, it'll keep driving me, and that's all that matters.
Edit: I will be saturating this thread with motivational speeches a couple days before the test whether they're wanted or not.
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Re: Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam

Post by hous » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:53 am

A agrees to paint B's house for $1000, payment due upon completion. The FMV of A's services is $3000. A completes 75% of the job and uses $600 of supplies and has $200 of supplies ready to be used to complete the job. B unequivocally breaches. What are A's damages?

EDIT: I totally messed up the parties. It's late.
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