Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 Forum

[1down1togo]

12 hours?? How do you do that? I can barely put in 5. Yesterday I put in 2 because I decided to go on a date. I took 4th of July off to celebrate our independence from the Brittish! When I put in work, I focus without interruption, but I couldn't do that for 12 whole hours. You're gonna burn yourself out, amigo.

you need to work harder. it's only 2.5 more weeks

I'm with this guy. You are not going to burn yourself out by studying more than 5 hours a day. No one wishes they had studied less for the bar. A lot of people wish they had studied more.

False. Literally everyone I know wishes they had studied less.

Does that include the people you know who failed?

[BarPreppin'12]

12 hours?? How do you do that? I can barely put in 5. Yesterday I put in 2 because I decided to go on a date. I took 4th of July off to celebrate our independence from the Brittish! When I put in work, I focus without interruption, but I couldn't do that for 12 whole hours. You're gonna burn yourself out, amigo.

you need to work harder. it's only 2.5 more weeks

I'm with this guy. You are not going to burn yourself out by studying more than 5 hours a day. No one wishes they had studied less for the bar. A lot of people wish they had studied more.

Thanks for the advice. The reality is, it's not a law school exam. I'm not competing with any of you. I hope you all score higher than me, I just want to pass. If you study 12 hours a day and get a super high score, and I get a much lower score and still pass, our results are the same. You won't get a better job then me on the basis of your bar score, you won't get more sophisticated clients on the basis of your bar score, you won't get paid more on the basis of your bar score. There mere fact that you dedicated every waking hour to get the best possible score is really a fruitless effort.

This is my effort: Do enough to pass, and not a minute more. If I can consistently get between 60-65% on Adaptibar and Themis, and I'm able to spot most of the issues and have a somewhat coherent discussion about it, I'll pass.

And you are right on one thing, nobody ever complained that they studied too much. The reason is if you pass, you assume that you studied the right amount. The people that complained that they did not study enough when they failed would not be complaining had they passed. The people that fail usually try to figure out why, and one of those reasons is not enough study. I would bet them that it wasn't so much the amount as it was the quality.

Finally, the amount of studying you put in does not directly correlate with success. Some parts are luck: The questions fall in topics you know reasonably well, essays fall in your moderate to strong areas. The other part is quality of study. The 4-6 hours I put in consist of heavy understanding of a topic and tons of practice questions. I have done 1,300 PQ on Adaptibar, and 1318 on Themis, with almost a full month left of preparation.

If you are putting in 12 hours or more of study time, God bless you. Like I said, I hope you all score higher than me. I'm in it to pass, nothing more.

[Nebby]

How are people studying for the MEE?

[jchiles]

12 hours?? How do you do that? I can barely put in 5. Yesterday I put in 2 because I decided to go on a date. I took 4th of July off to celebrate our independence from the Brittish! When I put in work, I focus without interruption, but I couldn't do that for 12 whole hours. You're gonna burn yourself out, amigo.

you need to work harder. it's only 2.5 more weeks

I'm with this guy. You are not going to burn yourself out by studying more than 5 hours a day. No one wishes they had studied less for the bar. A lot of people wish they had studied more.

False. Literally everyone I know wishes they had studied less.

Does that include the people you know who failed?

Everyone I know that failed studied like crazy so idk if more studying was really the problem. I don't think studying 5 hours a day is inadequate at all and if it is, well, i am going to be in trouble. You can easily complete each daily list of assignments with themis under 5 hours and still have time to review.

[Chardee_MacDennis]

How are people studying for the MEE?

From now until the bar, just reading over the FROs, making sure I have all the major points of law so that I can write something reasonably coherent. I'll probably read and outline the remaining practice essays, too.

[Nebby]

I wish there was somewhere I could print these FROs that didn't cost money

I feel better reading the physical paper than on the computer

[ndp1234]

I wish there was somewhere I could print these FROs that didn't cost money

I feel better reading the physical paper than on the computer

Can you still print for free at your law school or your job? You can also probably print at lower cost at the public library.

[ChocolateTruffle]

I wish there was somewhere I could print these FROs that didn't cost money

I feel better reading the physical paper than on the computer

Do you have a friend who is still a student? Have them print it out for you. I had my little sister print them out for me at her college!

[Nebby]

I wish there was somewhere I could print these FROs that didn't cost money

I feel better reading the physical paper than on the computer

Can you still print for free at your law school or your job? You can also probably print at lower cost at the public library.

I'm a student so I don't have a job and my law school is across the country, but I never thought about the public library!

[rambleon65]

12 hours?? How do you do that? I can barely put in 5. Yesterday I put in 2 because I decided to go on a date. I took 4th of July off to celebrate our independence from the Brittish! When I put in work, I focus without interruption, but I couldn't do that for 12 whole hours. You're gonna burn yourself out, amigo.

you need to work harder. it's only 2.5 more weeks

I'm with this guy. You are not going to burn yourself out by studying more than 5 hours a day. No one wishes they had studied less for the bar. A lot of people wish they had studied more.

False. Literally everyone I know wishes they had studied less.

Does that include the people you know who failed?

Everyone I know that failed studied like crazy so idk if more studying was really the problem. I don't think studying 5 hours a day is inadequate at all and if it is, well, i am going to be in trouble. You can easily complete each daily list of assignments with themis under 5 hours and still have time to review.

You guys are all ignoring the fact that a huge factor in this is which jurisdiction you are taking. I'm taking MA where if you do the work (i.e. 75% of the course), you're almost guaranteed to pass. In other states, e.g. CA, you might need to do more. Moreover, depends on how quickly you work.

All in all, this is a futile argument. You do you.

[Nebby]

I wish there was somewhere I could print these FROs that didn't cost money

I feel better reading the physical paper than on the computer

Can you still print for free at your law school or your job? You can also probably print at lower cost at the public library.

I'm a student so I don't have a job and my law school is across the country, but I never thought about the public library!

My public library is twice as expensive as the UPS store

[Rahviveh]

12 hours?? How do you do that? I can barely put in 5. Yesterday I put in 2 because I decided to go on a date. I took 4th of July off to celebrate our independence from the Brittish! When I put in work, I focus without interruption, but I couldn't do that for 12 whole hours. You're gonna burn yourself out, amigo.

you need to work harder. it's only 2.5 more weeks

I'm with this guy. You are not going to burn yourself out by studying more than 5 hours a day. No one wishes they had studied less for the bar. A lot of people wish they had studied more.

Thanks for the advice. The reality is, it's not a law school exam. I'm not competing with any of you. I hope you all score higher than me, I just want to pass. If you study 12 hours a day and get a super high score, and I get a much lower score and still pass, our results are the same. You won't get a better job then me on the basis of your bar score, you won't get more sophisticated clients on the basis of your bar score, you won't get paid more on the basis of your bar score. There mere fact that you dedicated every waking hour to get the best possible score is really a fruitless effort.

This is my effort: Do enough to pass, and not a minute more. If I can consistently get between 60-65% on Adaptibar and Themis, and I'm able to spot most of the issues and have a somewhat coherent discussion about it, I'll pass.

And you are right on one thing, nobody ever complained that they studied too much. The reason is if you pass, you assume that you studied the right amount. The people that complained that they did not study enough when they failed would not be complaining had they passed. The people that fail usually try to figure out why, and one of those reasons is not enough study. I would bet them that it wasn't so much the amount as it was the quality.

Finally, the amount of studying you put in does not directly correlate with success. Some parts are luck: The questions fall in topics you know reasonably well, essays fall in your moderate to strong areas. The other part is quality of study. The 4-6 hours I put in consist of heavy understanding of a topic and tons of practice questions. I have done 1,300 PQ on Adaptibar, and 1318 on Themis, with almost a full month left of preparation.

If you are putting in 12 hours or more of study time, God bless you. Like I said, I hope you all score higher than me. I'm in it to pass, nothing more.

Many of these people studying 12 hours a day are on medication and have been for the past three years of law school. No way people are actually focused 12 hours a day without some kind of drug. The rest of us who are sober are content doing the bare minimum to pass and not giving In to the pharmaceutical industry

[Nebby]

People studying 12 hours a day are likely just inefficient. If you studied 12 hours a day with efficiency then you would have completed the Themis course by now.

[BarPreppin'12]

12 hours?? How do you do that? I can barely put in 5. Yesterday I put in 2 because I decided to go on a date. I took 4th of July off to celebrate our independence from the Brittish! When I put in work, I focus without interruption, but I couldn't do that for 12 whole hours. You're gonna burn yourself out, amigo.

you need to work harder. it's only 2.5 more weeks

I'm with this guy. You are not going to burn yourself out by studying more than 5 hours a day. No one wishes they had studied less for the bar. A lot of people wish they had studied more.

Thanks for the advice. The reality is, it's not a law school exam. I'm not competing with any of you. I hope you all score higher than me, I just want to pass. If you study 12 hours a day and get a super high score, and I get a much lower score and still pass, our results are the same. You won't get a better job then me on the basis of your bar score, you won't get more sophisticated clients on the basis of your bar score, you won't get paid more on the basis of your bar score. There mere fact that you dedicated every waking hour to get the best possible score is really a fruitless effort.

This is my effort: Do enough to pass, and not a minute more. If I can consistently get between 60-65% on Adaptibar and Themis, and I'm able to spot most of the issues and have a somewhat coherent discussion about it, I'll pass.

And you are right on one thing, nobody ever complained that they studied too much. The reason is if you pass, you assume that you studied the right amount. The people that complained that they did not study enough when they failed would not be complaining had they passed. The people that fail usually try to figure out why, and one of those reasons is not enough study. I would bet them that it wasn't so much the amount as it was the quality.

Finally, the amount of studying you put in does not directly correlate with success. Some parts are luck: The questions fall in topics you know reasonably well, essays fall in your moderate to strong areas. The other part is quality of study. The 4-6 hours I put in consist of heavy understanding of a topic and tons of practice questions. I have done 1,300 PQ on Adaptibar, and 1318 on Themis, with almost a full month left of preparation.

If you are putting in 12 hours or more of study time, God bless you. Like I said, I hope you all score higher than me. I'm in it to pass, nothing more.

Many of these people studying 12 hours a day are on medication and have been for the past three years of law school. No way people are actually focused 12 hours a day without some kind of drug. The rest of us who are sober are content doing the bare minimum to pass and not giving In to the pharmaceutical industry

I'm with you. D grade is passing: Done deal, sign me up for that D grade.

[Rahviveh]

People studying 12 hours a day are likely just inefficient. If you studied 12 hours a day with efficiency then you would have completed the Themis course by now.

Agreed. Most of these people claiming 12 hours are probably spending 5 of those hours on Facebook and buzzfeed and zoning out at Starbucks.

However, there are some freaks who actually do 12 hours. These people are invariably drug addicts.

[Easy-E]

People studying 12 hours a day are likely just inefficient. If you studied 12 hours a day with efficiency then you would have completed the Themis course by now.

Yeah, 12 hours is bonkers. I'm probably averaging around 7-8, with occasional breaks. I seriously doubt anyone is getting in 12 good hours of studying. Just staring at a screen while your eyes dry out isn't accomplishing anything.

[Nebby]

Some days I study for 6 hours, some days for 9

On both days, the amount of time spent studying the actual material is about 5. Some days I'm efficient, some days I dick around on the internet for 3 hours while studying.

[hirkaismyname]

Drugs or no Drugs, if you put in 12 hours it shows dedication -- or the fear of failing. The fear of failing inevitably creates motivation for a person who doesn't have an alternative but to pass.

The key you ask? Sleep. Proper Sleep. The actual retention of information and reset of the brain restores its health and ability to progress.

[Easy-E]

Drugs or no Drugs, if you put in 12 hours it shows dedication -- or the fear of failing. The fear of failing inevitably creates motivation for a person who doesn't have an alternative but to pass.

The key you ask? Sleep. Proper Sleep. The actual retention of information and reset of the brain restores its health and ability to progress.

I sleep hanging upside down in my closet, it's why I can't be killed by conventional weapons

[Chardee_MacDennis]

Drugs or no Drugs, if you put in 12 hours it shows dedication -- or the fear of failing. The fear of failing inevitably creates motivation for a person who doesn't have an alternative but to pass.

The key you ask? Sleep. Proper Sleep. The actual retention of information and reset of the brain restores its health and ability to progress.

Maybe it shows dedication, definitely shows fear of failure, but the point everyone is trying to make is that if those 12 hours are inefficient/poor quality, what's the point? You eventually reach a point of diminishing returns with studying where every hour over a certain point actually hurts, not helps.

[hirkaismyname]

I get that he's accepted the offer, but doesn't implied revocation still apply when a contract has been form, but subsequently the buyer learns of the revocation when the seller sells the good to another person?

[+] Spoiler

At lunch with two co-workers, the owner of a bike offered to sell it to his manager for $100. His manager replied, “That ancient thing? I’ll give you $50 for it.” The owner’s assistant then stated, “I’ll buy it for $75.” Immediately after the owner responded, “OK,” the manager said, “Wait a minute. How old is it?” When the owner replied, “Two years old,” the manager said, “OK, I’ll buy it for $100.”


Which of the following statements is true?

Answers:

You Selected: The owner may sell the bike to his manager for $100.
The owner must sell the bike to his manager for $100.
Correct Answer: The owner must sell the bike to his assistant for $75.
The owner may accept his manager’s offer of $50.

[+] Spoiler

INSERT ANSWER HERE

Thanks!

[hirkaismyname]

Drugs or no Drugs, if you put in 12 hours it shows dedication -- or the fear of failing. The fear of failing inevitably creates motivation for a person who doesn't have an alternative but to pass.

The key you ask? Sleep. Proper Sleep. The actual retention of information and reset of the brain restores its health and ability to progress.

Maybe it shows dedication, definitely shows fear of failure, but the point everyone is trying to make is that if those 12 hours are inefficient/poor quality, what's the point? You eventually reach a point of diminishing returns with studying where every hour over a certain point actually hurts, not helps.

Hahahaha, if you've reached this point then kudos. I agree.

I might consider DL'ing Pokemon Go...I hear it's a pretty good alternative to studying.

[blach0987]

Some days I study for 6 hours, some days for 9

On both days, the amount of time spent studying the actual material is about 5. Some days I'm efficient, some days I dick around on the internet for 3 hours while studying.

Yeah, I mean I don't think I am able to keep fully focused 12 hours. But I try to put in about those hours with the assumption that some of it will be spent doing other things, taking breaks, surfing the internet.

[Fivedham]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm terrified of failing, so I'm studying balls to the wall. But this doesn't mean 12 hours a day. I take a ton of breaks to go run and watch TV. But I'm always looking at flash cards, doing AdaptiBar, or looking at Themis outlines. I don't wanna be that guy in October who fails by less than 10 points. I'd much rather be the guy who gets a 160 on the MBE and a reasonable, respectable score for an essay bullshitter and passes comfortably so I don't have to study for this bullshit again during my clerkship.

That said, yeah 5 hours seems lite for July 9th, but that's me. I'm closer to 7-8 hours, and I'm sure it'll ramp up this week.

[rambleon65]

I get that he's accepted the offer, but doesn't implied revocation still apply when a contract has been form, but subsequently the buyer learns of the revocation when the seller sells the good to another person?

[+] Spoiler

At lunch with two co-workers, the owner of a bike offered to sell it to his manager for $100. His manager replied, “That ancient thing? I’ll give you $50 for it.” The owner’s assistant then stated, “I’ll buy it for $75.” Immediately after the owner responded, “OK,” the manager said, “Wait a minute. How old is it?” When the owner replied, “Two years old,” the manager said, “OK, I’ll buy it for $100.”


Which of the following statements is true?

Answers:

You Selected: The owner may sell the bike to his manager for $100.
The owner must sell the bike to his manager for $100.
Correct Answer: The owner must sell the bike to his assistant for $75.
The owner may accept his manager’s offer of $50.

[+] Spoiler

INSERT ANSWER HERE

Thanks!

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but:

[+] Spoiler

When the manager replied "I'll give you $50 for it," this was a rejection and a counteroffer to the original offer. Therefore, the owner had the power to accept/reject the counteroffer; he is no longer the offeror, he is the offeree. He's free to do whatever. Thus, when the owner's assistant offered $75 for it and the owner accepted, an enforceable contract formed. It doesn't matter that the manager made another offer; the contract to sell the bike was already formed with the assistant and the owner cannot then enter into a new contract w/o breaching the contract.