NY July 2016 Thread Forum

[hockeyman969]

After a stressfully week, I have accepted this morning I failed the NY Bar...

Any advice to improve the MBE? It's recommended to retake it next February or wait until next summer? As I need just one bar for fed law, any advice about remaining in NY or move to another state? Thanks.

Make an effort to do 50 MBE questions a day, I found Kaplan to have questions of the same difficulty as far as black letter law goes, work with the MBE questions you got wrong in heavily tested areas and beef those up with explanations provided to why an answer was right or wrong.

[rcharter1978]

After a stressfully week, I have accepted this morning I failed the NY Bar...

Any advice to improve the MBE? It's recommended to retake it next February or wait until next summer? As I need just one bar for fed law, any advice about remaining in NY or move to another state? Thanks.

For MBE I used Barbri to understand BLL + AdaptiBar questions. I thought this was a pretty winning combination.

I've also heard really good things about the Emmanuel book.

There will be a temptation to get every resource and buy everything as you study for the next bar exam. But I truly think the best approach is to find a few resources and focus in on those. So, were I you, I would get AdaptiBar + Emmanuel and only use those to study for the MBE.

[melmarcar]

just curious - anyone what the average written score was? Even though I passed, I'm certain I bombed the written portion and want to confirm/deny. I got a 308 total and a 152.7 MBE, so I guess that makes my scaled written 155.3? is that like, horrendous? is that even how you do the math?

Per Separac (I'm assuming he pulled this language from maybe a failed transcript score he's already been submitted): "According to NYBOLE, the scaled score for each of the six MEE questions and two MPT questions are arrived at by converting the raw score for each question to a scale that generally ranges from approximately 20 to 80, with 50 as the mean. The candidate's MEE scores are totaled and divided by six, the MPT scores are totaled and divided by two and the resultant scores are added together to arrive at the average scale score for the written section. In computing the average scale score the MEE is weighted 60% and the MPT is weighted 40%. That average is then converted to a score distribution that is comparable to that of the MBE. The resulting figure is the candidate's total written score. A candidate's final examination score is determined by combining the written and MBE scores. The MBE scale is based on 190 graded questions. A combined score of at least 266 on a 400 point scale is required to pass the New York bar examination (66.5%). The MEE and MPT answers of each candidate who received a total score of 262 to 265 following the initial grading of all examinations are automatically reread and regraded by graders other than the initial graders prior to the release of final results in accordance with the Board's regrading policy set forth in Board Rule 6000.11. The candidate's scores were then recomputed to arrive at a final score examination score. THERE IS NO APPEAL OR FURTHER REVIEW OF THIS FINAL SCORE."

[whitecollar23]

just curious - anyone what the average written score was? Even though I passed, I'm certain I bombed the written portion and want to confirm/deny. I got a 308 total and a 152.7 MBE, so I guess that makes my scaled written 155.3? is that like, horrendous? is that even how you do the math?

Considering that 133 scaled on both the MBE and written portion is needed to pass and your written was 22.3 points above that average amount, is this just some kind of weird humble-brag?

[melmarcar]

just curious - anyone what the average written score was? Even though I passed, I'm certain I bombed the written portion and want to confirm/deny. I got a 308 total and a 152.7 MBE, so I guess that makes my scaled written 155.3? is that like, horrendous? is that even how you do the math?

Considering that 133 scaled on both the MBE and written portion is needed to pass and your written was 22.3 points above that average amount, is this just some kind of weird humble-brag?

Lol. Coming from the dude who's instinct upon passing the bar was to offer to generously impart your MBE study-tactic wisdom in not one but two separate threads. Literally within minutes after finding out you passed. What an ego. Spoiler alert: "really know the law" and "memorize the law cold" do not count as study tactics. Might as well have advised them to "get more answers right than wrong."

[whitecollar23]

just curious - anyone what the average written score was? Even though I passed, I'm certain I bombed the written portion and want to confirm/deny. I got a 308 total and a 152.7 MBE, so I guess that makes my scaled written 155.3? is that like, horrendous? is that even how you do the math?

Considering that 133 scaled on both the MBE and written portion is needed to pass and your written was 22.3 points above that average amount, is this just some kind of weird humble-brag?

Lol. Coming from the dude who's instinct upon passing the bar was to offer to generously impart your MBE study-tactic wisdom in not one but two separate threads. Literally within minutes after finding out you passed. What an ego. Spoiler alert: "really know the law" and "memorize the law cold" do not count as study tactics. Might as well have advised them to "get more answers right than wrong."

You really need to move on and get past your bitterness.

[whitecollar23]

just curious - anyone what the average written score was? Even though I passed, I'm certain I bombed the written portion and want to confirm/deny. I got a 308 total and a 152.7 MBE, so I guess that makes my scaled written 155.3? is that like, horrendous? is that even how you do the math?

Considering that 133 scaled on both the MBE and written portion is needed to pass and your written was 22.3 points above that average amount, is this just some kind of weird humble-brag?

Lol. Coming from the dude who's instinct upon passing the bar was to offer to generously impart your MBE study-tactic wisdom in not one but two separate threads. Literally within minutes after finding out you passed. What an ego. Spoiler alert: "really know the law" and "memorize the law cold" do not count as study tactics. Might as well have advised them to "get more answers right than wrong."

And in regard to those tips that were just quick tips before I reflected more and wrote out a long post, the tips happen to be very applicable. I went to CCN and had MANY friends who did not know the law cold going into exams. It's a myth that everyone in law school knows the law cold for exams. I'm not sure what your experience is, but the importance of actually learning AND understanding the law cold cannot be understated. In fact, it should to be stressed repeatedly.

[melmarcar]

just curious - anyone what the average written score was? Even though I passed, I'm certain I bombed the written portion and want to confirm/deny. I got a 308 total and a 152.7 MBE, so I guess that makes my scaled written 155.3? is that like, horrendous? is that even how you do the math?

Considering that 133 scaled on both the MBE and written portion is needed to pass and your written was 22.3 points above that average amount, is this just some kind of weird humble-brag?

Lol. Coming from the dude who's instinct upon passing the bar was to offer to generously impart your MBE study-tactic wisdom in not one but two separate threads. Literally within minutes after finding out you passed. What an ego. Spoiler alert: "really know the law" and "memorize the law cold" do not count as study tactics. Might as well have advised them to "get more answers right than wrong."

You really need to move on and get past your bitterness.

Must suck to be called out for having transparent motives, but get over yourself.

[whitecollar23]

just curious - anyone what the average written score was? Even though I passed, I'm certain I bombed the written portion and want to confirm/deny. I got a 308 total and a 152.7 MBE, so I guess that makes my scaled written 155.3? is that like, horrendous? is that even how you do the math?

Considering that 133 scaled on both the MBE and written portion is needed to pass and your written was 22.3 points above that average amount, is this just some kind of weird humble-brag?

Lol. Coming from the dude who's instinct upon passing the bar was to offer to generously impart your MBE study-tactic wisdom in not one but two separate threads. Literally within minutes after finding out you passed. What an ego. Spoiler alert: "really know the law" and "memorize the law cold" do not count as study tactics. Might as well have advised them to "get more answers right than wrong."

You really need to move on and get past your bitterness.

Must suck to be called out for having transparent motives, but get over yourself.

I'm just happy my instincts proved right. Multiple people reached out to me for advice, and I look forward to sharing my thoughts and hopefully helping them pass on their next attempt. If you need any tips or advice, feel free to private message me and I'll gladly share my thoughts.

[melmarcar]

just curious - anyone what the average written score was? Even though I passed, I'm certain I bombed the written portion and want to confirm/deny. I got a 308 total and a 152.7 MBE, so I guess that makes my scaled written 155.3? is that like, horrendous? is that even how you do the math?

Considering that 133 scaled on both the MBE and written portion is needed to pass and your written was 22.3 points above that average amount, is this just some kind of weird humble-brag?

Lol. Coming from the dude who's instinct upon passing the bar was to offer to generously impart your MBE study-tactic wisdom in not one but two separate threads. Literally within minutes after finding out you passed. What an ego. Spoiler alert: "really know the law" and "memorize the law cold" do not count as study tactics. Might as well have advised them to "get more answers right than wrong."

You really need to move on and get past your bitterness.

Must suck to be called out for having transparent motives, but get over yourself.

I'm just happy my instincts proved right. Multiple people reached out to me for advice, and I look forward to sharing my thoughts and hopefully helping them pass on their next attempt. If you need any tips or advice, feel free to private message me and I'll gladly share my thoughts.

You are so convinced someone couldn't be calling you out on your bullshit who also passed. Just goes to show your condescending attitude. By all means, if relating your score to mine is how you're going to minimize what I'm saying, DM me. I will gladly show you my score. It might be a good reality check for you to see that someone who actually scored in your same percentile thinks you're a tool. Looking forward to seeing you practicing God's work by carrying those who failed on your back. The bar prep industry has really been missing such prophetic wisdom on the MBE, such as "study," and "memorize," and "learn." Please keep us all updated on your future successes.

[whitecollar23]

just curious - anyone what the average written score was? Even though I passed, I'm certain I bombed the written portion and want to confirm/deny. I got a 308 total and a 152.7 MBE, so I guess that makes my scaled written 155.3? is that like, horrendous? is that even how you do the math?

Considering that 133 scaled on both the MBE and written portion is needed to pass and your written was 22.3 points above that average amount, is this just some kind of weird humble-brag?

Lol. Coming from the dude who's instinct upon passing the bar was to offer to generously impart your MBE study-tactic wisdom in not one but two separate threads. Literally within minutes after finding out you passed. What an ego. Spoiler alert: "really know the law" and "memorize the law cold" do not count as study tactics. Might as well have advised them to "get more answers right than wrong."

You really need to move on and get past your bitterness.

Must suck to be called out for having transparent motives, but get over yourself.

I'm just happy my instincts proved right. Multiple people reached out to me for advice, and I look forward to sharing my thoughts and hopefully helping them pass on their next attempt. If you need any tips or advice, feel free to private message me and I'll gladly share my thoughts.

You are so convinced someone couldn't be calling you out on your bullshit who also passed. Just goes to show your condescending attitude. By all means, if relating your score to mine is how you're going to minimize what I'm saying, DM me. I will gladly show you my score. It might be a good reality check for you to see that someone who actually scored in your same percentile thinks you're a tool. Looking forward to seeing you practicing God's work by carrying those who failed on your back. The bar prep industry has really been missing such prophetic wisdom on the MBE, such as "study," and "memorize," and "learn." Please keep us all updated on your future successes.

I actually think focusing on memorizing isn't the greatest strategy. It can be mixed in, but it's not something that should be a major focus, especially not at the expense of many other things.

And no, silly. I just figure someone who just passed wouldn't be so bitter and negative. But that's okay. You're welcome to be whatever demeanor you so choose. However, I won't let someone with your negative attitude change my mind. I will still share advice with those who asked, and you'll just have to deal with it.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts. If you have any more, feel free to continue sharing.

[didntretake]

Me reading this brilliant exchange of wit and ideas:

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In other news why can't we post images?

[sublime]

Me reading this brilliant exchange of wit and ideas:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/w2UtIGtEpuR9u/200_s.gif

In other news why can't we post images?

Need like 100 posts and like two weeks of membership.

[didntretake]

Me reading this brilliant exchange of wit and ideas:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/w2UtIGtEpuR9u/200_s.gif

In other news why can't we post images?

Need like 100 posts and like two weeks of membership.

Oh I thought it was a thread permission not individual user. 34 posts to go I guess. Thanks.

[ArtistOfManliness]

Me reading this brilliant exchange of wit and ideas:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/w2UtIGtEpuR9u/200_s.gif

In other news why can't we post images?

Need like 100 posts and like two weeks of membership.

Oh I thought it was a thread permission not individual user. 34 posts to go I guess. Thanks.

How many to go?

[ArtistOfManliness]

Me reading this brilliant exchange of wit and ideas:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/w2UtIGtEpuR9u/200_s.gif

In other news why can't we post images?

And also, they stopped. WTF. ENTERTAIN ME

[seasidemama]

10 years out of law school, life and 2 kids later - passed on the first try - self studied!!!

Congrats to everyone who passed and GL to those who will go it again in Feb!!

Don't be discouraged.

Now how do I get a job??

[just_me]

10 years out of law school, life and 2 kids later - passed on the first try - self studied!!!

such an achievement, on all of the above grounds! well done!

[seasidemama]

10 years out of law school, life and 2 kids later - passed on the first try - self studied!!!

such an achievement, on all of the above grounds! well done!

thanks so much!! I was jumping screaming and squealing when I got the e-mail. My kids were very confused to see their mom doing what I ask them to stop doing all the time

[JenDarby]

And in regard to those tips that were just quick tips before I reflected more and wrote out a long post, the tips happen to be very applicable. I went to CCN and had MANY friends who did not know the law cold going into exams. It's a myth that everyone in law school knows the law cold for exams. I'm not sure what your experience is, but the importance of actually learning AND understanding the law cold cannot be understated. In fact, it should to be stressed repeatedly.

next to nothing you learn in law school (even at CCN!) matters. and no, that doesn't need to be stressed repeatedly

lol at knowing the law cold before exams, or the notion that law school exams matter beyond getting good enough grades to help get a job

[ArtistOfManliness]

And in regard to those tips that were just quick tips before I reflected more and wrote out a long post, the tips happen to be very applicable. I went to CCN and had MANY friends who did not know the law cold going into exams. It's a myth that everyone in law school knows the law cold for exams. I'm not sure what your experience is, but the importance of actually learning AND understanding the law cold cannot be understated. In fact, it should to be stressed repeatedly.

next to nothing you learn in law school (even at CCN!) matters. and no, that doesn't need to be stressed repeatedly

lol at knowing the law cold before exams, or the notion that law school exams matter beyond getting good enough grades to help get a job

I think u/whitecollar23 will say you're understating it...

[whitecollar23]

And in regard to those tips that were just quick tips before I reflected more and wrote out a long post, the tips happen to be very applicable. I went to CCN and had MANY friends who did not know the law cold going into exams. It's a myth that everyone in law school knows the law cold for exams. I'm not sure what your experience is, but the importance of actually learning AND understanding the law cold cannot be understated. In fact, it should to be stressed repeatedly.

next to nothing you learn in law school (even at CCN!) matters. and no, that doesn't need to be stressed repeatedly

lol at knowing the law cold before exams, or the notion that law school exams matter beyond getting good enough grades to help get a job

I think u/whitecollar23 will say you're understating it...

Not even sure what she said. Can you explain?

But in general, the purpose of law school exams is to determine which students can adjust quickest in new environments. That's why employers care so much about them -- new jobs require you to adjust quickly.

[rcharter1978]

Had no idea that's what employers were thinking. Good looking out.

[whitecollar23]

Had no idea that's what employers were thinking. Good looking out.

It's the buzz I've heard from a few places. Not positive it's accurate, but it makes sense.

[ArtistOfManliness]

Had no idea that's what employers were thinking. Good looking out.

It's the buzz I've heard from a few places. Not positive it's accurate, but it makes sense.

Totally missed the sarcasm...