Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2014 Exam Forum

[jigglypuffdreams]

How many of you will be at 100% come the start of the bar exam?

I'm aiming for 80%. Maybe even 90% if I'm so lucky; however, given my directed study, 100% seems unlikely if I don't study up until the day of the exam and that isn't gonna happen as I refuse to study the day before the MBE portion. I may read my super condensed outlines but that'll be it.

I'm at 93% but I also started ridiculously early, so I'll probably be at 100% before the bar. I just have MBE questions, one more graded essay, and an "essay exam." Honestly the difference between 80% and 93% hasn't seemed as noticeable. And last year my husband just stopped when he got to 93% and did his own thing/focused solely on memorization after that. I wouldn't feel too much pressure to get to 100% because it seems like diminishing returns.

[iLoveFruits&Veggies]

For CA, how much time are you guys studying for the CA Civ Pro distinctions?

Unfortunately, I haven't studied them yet. I have Civ Pro scheduled on my calendar for this Tuesday, so I'll try to learn them then. I know it's risky to gamble with the CA Bar Exam, but with SO much material, and so little time, something has to give... and so CA Civ Pro isn't getting much attention. Civ Pro in general isn't getting much attention. Giving most of my time to the MBEs (to make up for anticipated low essay scores) and subjects of which I feel pretty confident will show up on the essays (such as PR, etc.). I can't learn it all.

[bport hopeful]

If a corporations essay doesnt ask something real broad from like, the first third of the lecture, I am effed. Wont even be able to fake it.

[Tanicius]

If a corporations essay doesnt ask something real broad from like, the first third of the lecture, I am effed. Wont even be able to fake it.

Something something reasonable.

Oh, um, shares issue? The rule of Veil Piercing is that it has to be, um, reasonable. So no I'm concluding that they can't recover personally from whoever this person is.

[iLoveFruits&Veggies]

My errors are inconsistently sort of all over the map.

I hear ya! I did two NCBE MBE exams, one on Thursday and another one today. Within 48 hours my score on evidence questions went from 62% to 81% and my score on contracts questions went from 83% to 58%!! No rhyme or reason to anything! As soon as I "master" one subject, I forget another. So frustrating.

[northwood]

If a corporations essay doesnt ask something real broad from like, the first third of the lecture, I am effed. Wont even be able to fake it.

cut, duck, punch, move and rise... rinse and repeat until the sunrise on july 31

[Lilly76]

Ugh I'm feeling so burned out. I've basically gotten nothing accomplished in the past two days. Hopefully I can clear my head, get some rest tonight, and wake up motivated tomorrow.

[numbertwo88]

Ugh I'm feeling so burned out. I've basically gotten nothing accomplished in the past two days. Hopefully I can clear my head, get some rest tonight, and wake up motivated tomorrow.

It definitely helps! I took Friday off - and even went out with my only friend who isn't studying for the bar exam - and my brain is working better today.

There's only so much studying someone can do before cracking.

[iLoveFruits&Veggies]

In case anyone is interested in getting an idea for how they scale & score in CA, I just found this: CA Bar Grade Information 2013 http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals ... 201307.pdf (although admittedly, my time is better spent studying than trying to figure out scoring! lol)

[bport hopeful]

NY takers, whats the deal with dog bites?

[northwood]

NY takers, whats the deal with dog bites?

dogs are not vicious per se ( i belive) but if a dog has bitten once, or has a history of growling, snarling, chasing people and the owner knew or should have known of this, tent he owner is on notice ( or has constructive, actual or implied notice) of the dogs propensity to bite and has a duty to mitigatge the chances of the dog's attack...

i believe that there are no vicious breeds of dogs, and courts look at a dog bite, one dog at a time ( like a case by case basis)..

[TooManyLoans]

Quick property question if anyone is around...

Say you're in a race-notice jurisdiction: A sells to B in 2013 (B is a bonafide purchaser for value at the time), B fails to record. A then sells to C in 2014, who has no notice of the sale to B. B then decides to record (not knowing anything about the sale to C). C records a day after B.

B owns the property, correct?

Also, what if B found out about the sale to C then decided to record, would he still be the owner?

[lmr]

Quick property question if anyone is around...

Say you're in a race-notice jurisdiction: A sells to B in 2013 (B is a bonafide purchaser for value at the time), B fails to record. A then sells to C in 2014, who has no notice of the sale to B. B then decides to record (not knowing anything about the sale to C). C records a day after B.

B owns the property, correct?

Also, what if B found out about the sale to C then decided to record, would he still be the owner?

You are right B owns it and it doesn't matter if B knows about sale to C. Notice at the time of conveyance is what matters. But I was reviewing my race-notice portion of my outline and it led me to a bigger problem. In your hypo B is a bona fide purchaser but according to my outline under the same exact scenario B still wins even if he was a donee-why?!

[SilverE2]

Did you guys watch the practice MBE review videos? They seem like a pretty big timesink and not much more helpful than just reading the answer explanations.

[TooManyLoans]

Quick property question if anyone is around...

Say you're in a race-notice jurisdiction: A sells to B in 2013 (B is a bonafide purchaser for value at the time), B fails to record. A then sells to C in 2014, who has no notice of the sale to B. B then decides to record (not knowing anything about the sale to C). C records a day after B.

B owns the property, correct?

Also, what if B found out about the sale to C then decided to record, would he still be the owner?

You are right B owns it and it doesn't matter if B knows about sale to C. Notice at the time of conveyance is what matters. But I was reviewing my race-notice portion of my outline and it led me to a bigger problem. In your hypo B is a bona fide purchaser but according to my outline under the same exact scenario B still wins even if he was a donee-why?!

I don't know where you see that in the outline, I only have a short paragraph in my long outline on race-notice. Maybe, the hypo your looking at is having him prevail under the Shelter Rule.

[whirledpeas86]

Did you guys watch the practice MBE review videos? They seem like a pretty big timesink and not much more helpful than just reading the answer explanations.

It was pretty much a waste, but I did use the time to paint my toe and fingernails, so there's that?

[Tanicius]

Did you guys watch the practice MBE review videos? They seem like a pretty big timesink and not much more helpful than just reading the answer explanations.

It was pretty much a waste, but I did use the time to paint my toe and fingernails, so there's that?

Looking forward to not really doing work tomorrow but having the benefit of knocking off a percent on my task calender and not feeling guilty.

[SilverE2]

Did you guys watch the practice MBE review videos? They seem like a pretty big timesink and not much more helpful than just reading the answer explanations.

It was pretty much a waste, but I did use the time to paint my toe and fingernails, so there's that?

I could do the same, but I think my girlfriend would be weirded out the next time we hung out...

[lmr]

Quick property question if anyone is around...

Say you're in a race-notice jurisdiction: A sells to B in 2013 (B is a bonafide purchaser for value at the time), B fails to record. A then sells to C in 2014, who has no notice of the sale to B. B then decides to record (not knowing anything about the sale to C). C records a day after B.

B owns the property, correct?

Also, what if B found out about the sale to C then decided to record, would he still be the owner?

You are right B owns it and it doesn't matter if B knows about sale to C. Notice at the time of conveyance is what matters. But I was reviewing my race-notice portion of my outline and it led me to a bigger problem. In your hypo B is a bona fide purchaser but according to my outline under the same exact scenario B still wins even if he was a donee-why?!

I don't know where you see that in the outline, I only have a short paragraph in my long outline on race-notice. Maybe, the hypo your looking at is having him prevail under the Shelter Rule.

Sorry, I should have clarified-not a themis outline. This is from my Emmanuel MBE bootcamp outline:

"On Feb. 1, O conveys to A as a gift. On Feb. 2, O conveys for value to B, who does not know of the conveyance to A. On Feb. 3, A hears about the conveyance to B, and rushes to the court house and records. On Feb. 4, B records. A wins — B is second-in-time, so she loses unless the recording act protects her. Under this race-notice statute B could win only if she (1) took with out notice of the earlier conveyance to A; (2) took for value; and (3) recorded before A recorded. B didn’t satisfy (3), so she loses."

[Bill Cosby]

How many of you will be at 100% come the start of the bar exam?

I'm aiming for 80%. Maybe even 90% if I'm so lucky; however, given my directed study, 100% seems unlikely if I don't study up until the day of the exam and that isn't go

I keep telling myself if I "just" do 2% a day I'll be at 100% before exam time.

[kapital98]

How many of you will be at 100% come the start of the bar exam?

I'm aiming for 80%. Maybe even 90% if I'm so lucky; however, given my directed study, 100% seems unlikely if I don't study up until the day of the exam and that isn't go

I keep telling myself if I "just" do 2% a day I'll be at 100% before exam time.

Me too. Except my strategy is just to get over 75% complete overall and 100% complete on the lectures. I started two weeks late and have always been behind. I've got the lectures done but about 15% to go for the course to get to 75%.

[Bobo1]

Quick property question if anyone is around...

Say you're in a race-notice jurisdiction: A sells to B in 2013 (B is a bonafide purchaser for value at the time), B fails to record. A then sells to C in 2014, who has no notice of the sale to B. B then decides to record (not knowing anything about the sale to C). C records a day after B.

B owns the property, correct?

Also, what if B found out about the sale to C then decided to record, would he still be the owner?

You are right B owns it and it doesn't matter if B knows about sale to C. Notice at the time of conveyance is what matters. But I was reviewing my race-notice portion of my outline and it led me to a bigger problem. In your hypo B is a bona fide purchaser but according to my outline under the same exact scenario B still wins even if he was a donee-why?!

I don't know where you see that in the outline, I only have a short paragraph in my long outline on race-notice. Maybe, the hypo your looking at is having him prevail under the Shelter Rule.

Sorry, I should have clarified-not a themis outline. This is from my Emmanuel MBE bootcamp outline:

"On Feb. 1, O conveys to A as a gift. On Feb. 2, O conveys for value to B, who does not know of the conveyance to A. On Feb. 3, A hears about the conveyance to B, and rushes to the court house and records. On Feb. 4, B records. A wins — B is second-in-time, so she loses unless the recording act protects her. Under this race-notice statute B could win only if she (1) took with out notice of the earlier conveyance to A; (2) took for value; and (3) recorded before A recorded. B didn’t satisfy (3), so she loses."

The requirement of "took for value" only applies to the subsequent purchaser, so A does not need to take for value. Just has to record first.

[Xifeng]

Did you guys watch the practice MBE review videos? They seem like a pretty big timesink and not much more helpful than just reading the answer explanations.

It was pretty much a waste, but I did use the time to paint my toe and fingernails, so there's that?

Hahaha I did the same thing! And It wasn't a waste for me, because sometimes I glaze over when I'm reading the answers (and hearing the reasoning behind the correct ones was useful for me too). Plus there were no stupid handouts.

[Apple Tree]

For CA, how much time are you guys studying for the CA Civ Pro distinctions?

Unfortunately, I haven't studied them yet. I have Civ Pro scheduled on my calendar for this Tuesday, so I'll try to learn them then. I know it's risky to gamble with the CA Bar Exam, but with SO much material, and so little time, something has to give... and so CA Civ Pro isn't getting much attention. Civ Pro in general isn't getting much attention. Giving most of my time to the MBEs (to make up for anticipated low essay scores) and subjects of which I feel pretty confident will show up on the essays (such as PR, etc.). I can't learn it all.

This makes me feel better. Yeah I went over the CA distinction once when I was listening to the lectures. Needless to say I couldn't remember anything. I think I'm just gonna look at it once before the exam and call it done. I'm gonna be really pissed if they decide to pick us to be the first time they test CA civ pro distinctions.

[Kiwi917]

For CA, how much time are you guys studying for the CA Civ Pro distinctions?

Unfortunately, I haven't studied them yet. I have Civ Pro scheduled on my calendar for this Tuesday, so I'll try to learn them then. I know it's risky to gamble with the CA Bar Exam, but with SO much material, and so little time, something has to give... and so CA Civ Pro isn't getting much attention. Civ Pro in general isn't getting much attention. Giving most of my time to the MBEs (to make up for anticipated low essay scores) and subjects of which I feel pretty confident will show up on the essays (such as PR, etc.). I can't learn it all.

This makes me feel better. Yeah I went over the CA distinction once when I was listening to the lectures. Needless to say I couldn't remember anything. I think I'm just gonna look at it once before the exam and call it done. I'm gonna be really pissed if they decide to pick us to be the first time they test CA civ pro distinctions.

Same here. I think I might take a little time closer to the test to write out some rule statements for a few of the more important distinctions (although at this point, I have no idea what those are). But I know right now there are other areas where I can gain more points by putting in extra effort - PR for example. I'm not sure why, but the CA civ pro distinctions seem even harder to remember than the evidence ones, and those are pretty awful on their own...