July 2015 MBE Scores/Results Forum

MonsterTRM · Post by **MonsterTRM** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:17 am

Just received my MBE score. I got a 108 on the Barbri Midterm and a 148 on the real deal. Passed in Indiana.

Again, I felt like I got destroyed on the MBE. Don't lose hope, you are going to pass!

zot1 · Post by **zot1** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:23 am

BuenAbogado wrote:I don't mean this in a snobby way whatsoever, but are any other Cali people not too comforted by any of these passing scores from jurisdictions with 65-85% pass rates?

You should be comforted if you went to an accredited school and know you prepared for the test as best you could. The CA ABA approved pass rates for first time takers are 69.4% (July 2014), 75.9% (July 2013), and 76.9% (July 2012) for the previous three administrations.

trustmouse83 · Post by **trustmouse83** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:50 am

Man, all these people killing the MBE with amazing scores, are all the same people who thought they bombed it, or at the very least they felt bad coming out.
I hope this doesn't bode poorly for me, I actually felt like I did decently on the MBE. Then again, I did do close to 3,500 practice questions (pmbr redbook and adaptibar).

Also, I would love to hear some feedback from any adaptibar people!

gmail · Post by **gmail** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:01 am

BARELY passed in a UBE state. How close? Would be shit outta luck if I took the test in Idaho or Alaska. #blessed

zot1 · Post by **zot1** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:11 am

gmail wrote:BARELY passed in a UBE state. How close? Would be shit outta luck if I took the test in Idaho or Alaska. #blessed

What matters is that you passed. Your score doesn't really matter.

osbarca · Post by **osbarca** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:12 am

shredderrrrrr wrote:If it's any solace to those still waiting for their score, I passed despite feeling like I absolutely bombed the MBE. I'm not talking about just over-thinking stuff and worrying myself for no reason--I mean that I legitimately had to guess (as in not even having time to read) a total of 20-25 of the questions. I'd say there were another 40-45 that I had marked to come back to (because I was really fucking confused by them) that I didn't have time to review. For the other 130? I felt confident about maybe half of them. I had a meltdown over lunch.

I think my saving grace was that I think I killed the MPT and did pretty well on the essays (though note that I didn't even have time to finish the last essay question).

I know it all varies by jurisdiction and my state (Iowa) seems to be easier than most, but I just thought I'd post this to try to reassure you guys that, despite things feeling hopeless, you may well be pleasantly surprised.

This just gave me space to take a deep breath. We don't find out until Friday, but the MBE freaked me out, and I know I missed some points here and there on the essays where I just didn't think it through very well, and put down the wrong thing. But the MPTs felt good.

zot1 · Post by **zot1** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:12 am

trustmouse83 wrote:Man, all these people killing the MBE with amazing scores, are all the same people who thought they bombed it, or at the very least they felt bad coming out.
I hope this doesn't bode poorly for me, I actually felt like I did decently on the MBE. Then again, I did do close to 3,500 practice questions (pmbr redbook and adaptibar).

Also, I would love to hear some feedback from any adaptibar people!

I felt bad mostly because I did the afternoon session sick. However, I also didn't do any extra stuff besides my bar program.

osbarca · Post by **osbarca** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:13 am

Blessedassurance wrote:
MPTPWZ1026 wrote:For those worried about the string of D's, I don't remember having that at all.

Actually, I never really noticed any sort of pattern at all. I passed. So don't freak out if you didn't see 15 D's in a row either.
I noticed a string of D's towards the end (last column) in the afternoon session, but nowhere as many as others claim. I agree with those who contend there were different versions.

I passed comfortably. I wouldn't read too much into anything.

I also had like 5-6 D's in the afternoon session, on the last row. But I don't remember anything from the morning, except feeling like "oh shi......"

I couldn't see the clock from where I was sitting, so I didn't check often enough. By the time I maneuvered to see it in the morning session, I had like 25 questions to go and 10 mins. Those were all skim-and-guess. Ugh.

osbarca · Post by **osbarca** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:25 am

BuenAbogado wrote:I don't mean this in a snobby way whatsoever, but are any other Cali people not too comforted by any of these passing scores from jurisdictions with 65-85% pass rates?

I was a CA bar taker several years ago (passed). The thing to remember when looking at those dismal passing rates is that CA - unlike many other states - allows non-ABA accredited school graduates to take the exam. The pass rate for those that went to an accredited school is quite high - last time I knew (which was back when I took it), it was like 81% or something for first time takers. So comparing that 81% and the 65% of some other jurisdiction that only allows ABA-graduates to take the exam, and you should feel pretty good.

Also, there are a good number of lawyers that take CA without really preparing for it. Since there is no reciprocity, firms sometimes want at least one CA lawyer in their ranks.

I took Oregon this summer, and the pass rate here is in the low 60's. That's not giving me much comfort.

PJP · Post by **PJP** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:56 pm

osbarca wrote:
BuenAbogado wrote:I don't mean this in a snobby way whatsoever, but are any other Cali people not too comforted by any of these passing scores from jurisdictions with 65-85% pass rates?

I was a CA bar taker several years ago (passed). The thing to remember when looking at those dismal passing rates is that CA - unlike many other states - allows non-ABA accredited school graduates to take the exam. The pass rate for those that went to an accredited school is quite high - last time I knew (which was back when I took it), it was like 81% or something for first time takers. So comparing that 81% and the 65% of some other jurisdiction that only allows ABA-graduates to take the exam, and you should feel pretty good.

Also, there are a good number of lawyers that take CA without really preparing for it. Since there is no reciprocity, firms sometimes want at least one CA lawyer in their ranks.

I took Oregon this summer, and the pass rate here is in the low 60's. That's not giving me much comfort.

I'm in the exact same boat with you w/ bar exams. Took and passed CA years ago and just took OR bar this summer. Back when I took the CA bar, MBE wasn't that difficult. It was more predictable if you had done lots of practice tests. This time, the MBE was totally different unlike anything I've seen. It's a bullshit NCBE is coming up with stories of how the applicants aren't as capable anymore as they used to be after what they have done to MBE. Anyways, 5 more days! All this will be behind us hopefully.

osbarca · Post by **osbarca** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:07 pm

PJP wrote:
osbarca wrote:
BuenAbogado wrote:I don't mean this in a snobby way whatsoever, but are any other Cali people not too comforted by any of these passing scores from jurisdictions with 65-85% pass rates?

I was a CA bar taker several years ago (passed). The thing to remember when looking at those dismal passing rates is that CA - unlike many other states - allows non-ABA accredited school graduates to take the exam. The pass rate for those that went to an accredited school is quite high - last time I knew (which was back when I took it), it was like 81% or something for first time takers. So comparing that 81% and the 65% of some other jurisdiction that only allows ABA-graduates to take the exam, and you should feel pretty good.

Also, there are a good number of lawyers that take CA without really preparing for it. Since there is no reciprocity, firms sometimes want at least one CA lawyer in their ranks.

I took Oregon this summer, and the pass rate here is in the low 60's. That's not giving me much comfort.
I'm in the exact same boat with you w/ bar exams. Took and passed CA years ago and just took OR bar this summer. Back when I took the CA bar, MBE wasn't that difficult. It was more predictable if you had done lots of practice tests. This time, the MBE was totally different unlike anything I've seen. It's a bullshit NCBE is coming up with stories of how the applicants aren't as capable anymore as they used to be after what they have done to MBE. Anyways, 5 more days! All this will be behind us hopefully.

^^ Agree! Why not make an exam that tests ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE so that if you put in the time and effort, you see questions and concepts that are familiar? It'd be nice to leave the test thinking "I'm so glad I spent all that time studying. I really knew this stuff." Instead, it's an exam where missing 80-90 questions is acceptable, because it's just that ridiculous of a test. Makes no sense. I'd so much rather take an exam with a small margin of error where they're not trying to trick you 10 days 'til Sunday. How does that help anyone? It certainly doesn't prove "minimum competence" to be a lawyer. I've been practicing for 7 years. I am a [more-than] competent lawyer. But I still have a sick feeling about that test.

(My two cents for a Monday morning.)

PJP - I am hoping for a very happy Friday for us both!

Learned Throw Hands · Post by **Learned Throw Hands** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:21 pm

Learned Throw Hands wrote:Scored 116/200 on the BARBRI midterm but was pretty consistently around 70%-75% by the end on Emmanuals and the BARBRI mixed sets. I had the string of D's in the am but ran out of time and did the last 30 questions in like 10 minutes. I screamed fuck like 100 times in my car eating lunch and then went back in and finished the pm with plenty of time. I don't think we get our actual scores but I really thought I failed until results came out.

Update: 143 on MBE. Not bad given my total meltdown in the AM and I don't really care because I passed. Good luck to everyone still waiting.

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:25 pm

Finally got around to updating the spreadsheet after the weekend. Here you go (32 reporting): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Also, for those who passed but don't want your username public, feel free to PM me the information. I'll be sure to keep everything anonymous. The more, the better

Also, if I've erred in anything reported, please contact me ASAP to correct/update the information.

To summarize some bullet points:

The Good: Scaled MBE Scores are coming in at approximately 20+ points as to what takers had on their Midterm/Finals with Bar Prep courses. Again, this is in line with what Kaplan's Chris Fromm estimated.

The Bad: CBX takers still have 67 days of waiting.

The Ugly: Initial statistics are that a many pass rates are down year-over-year in several states (at least including WA, IA, WI, NM & NC).

Also, it's safe to say that a vast majority of people felt like shit after taking the MBE and most of them have passed. I think 2 people reported actually feeling good or normal afterwards, and they got ungodly scores and were scoring in the top of their respective bar course's programs.

osbarca · Post by **osbarca** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:43 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:Finally got around to updating the spreadsheet after the weekend. Here you go (32 reporting): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Also, for those who passed but don't want your username public, feel free to PM me the information. I'll be sure to keep everything anonymous. The more, the better Also, if I've erred in anything reported, please contact me ASAP to correct/update the information.

To summarize some bullet points:

The Good: Scaled MBE Scores are coming in at approximately 20+ points as to what takers had on their Midterm/Finals with Bar Prep courses. Again, this is in line with what Kaplan's Chris Fromm estimated.

The Bad: CBX takers still have 67 days of waiting.

The Ugly: Initial statistics are that a many pass rates are down year-over-year in several states (at least including WA, IA, WI & NC).

Also, it's safe to say that a vast majority of people felt like shit after taking the MBE and most of them have passed. I think 2 people reported actually feeling good or normal afterwards, and they got ungodly scores and were scoring in the top of their respective bar course's programs.

Thanks for doing this RobinhoodOO!!

zot1 · Post by **zot1** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:55 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:Finally got around to updating the spreadsheet after the weekend. Here you go (32 reporting): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Also, for those who passed but don't want your username public, feel free to PM me the information. I'll be sure to keep everything anonymous. The more, the better Also, if I've erred in anything reported, please contact me ASAP to correct/update the information.

To summarize some bullet points:

The Good: Scaled MBE Scores are coming in at approximately 20+ points as to what takers had on their Midterm/Finals with Bar Prep courses. Again, this is in line with what Kaplan's Chris Fromm estimated.

The Bad: CBX takers still have 67 days of waiting.

[i]The Ugly[/i]: Initial statistics are that a many pass rates are down year-over-year in several states (at least including WA, IA, WI & NC).

Also, it's safe to say that a vast majority of people felt like shit after taking the MBE and most of them have passed. I think 2 people reported actually feeling good or normal afterwards, and they got ungodly scores and were scoring in the top of their respective bar course's programs.

Someone else mentioned NM went down as well.

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:23 pm

*Random update: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

I added an "overage" column, which represents approximately how many points a Taker had on their MBE scaled score 'over' their raw score from their final/midterm PT (or if a PT wasn't provided, over their average percentage).

Note, not a single Taker has reported receiving less on their scaled score than they did on a midterm or final PT. That seems like excellent news! That, and the average 'overage' is approximately 23 points! The range, however, is pretty dramatic, but hopefully this information is nevertheless comforting.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:05 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:*Random update: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

I added an "overage" column, which represents approximately how many points a Taker had on their final scaled score 'over' their raw score from their final/midterm PT (or if a PT wasn't provided, over their average percentage).

Note, not a single Taker has reported receiving less on their scaled score than they did on a midterm or final PT. That seems like excellent news! That, and the average 'overage' is approximately 23 points! The range, however, is pretty dramatic, but hopefully this information is nevertheless comforting.

I guarantee you that I will do worse on the actual test than my Themis PT. I got 160/200 raw on that bad boy. I will report on Thursday.

osbarca · Post by **osbarca** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:58 pm

Just saw this: "Mississippi saw the overall pass rate drop from 78% – 51%, a 27% decline in passing individuals."

sd5289 · Post by **sd5289** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:34 pm

osbarca wrote:Just saw this: "Mississippi saw the overall pass rate drop from 78% – 51%, a 27% decline in passing individuals."

I was about to say that I expect pass rates are going down slightly in correlation to LSAT and general admission stats going down, but a 27% drop is unreal.

nyny · Post by **nyny** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:49 pm

sd5289 wrote:
osbarca wrote:Just saw this: "Mississippi saw the overall pass rate drop from 78% – 51%, a 27% decline in passing individuals."
I was about to say that I expect pass rates are going down slightly in correlation to LSAT and general admission stats going down, but a 27% drop is unreal.

I think the worst is yet to come... Just wait until the big state results come out... I just hope I pass.

JayRock2015 · Post by **JayRock2015** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:17 pm

RobinHood --Just an update received my actual MBE score today, I received a 141 not a 153. I also checked my last Barbri exam 112 raw and then Strategies and Tactics 117 raw...just wanted to make sure I give the TLSrs the right scores. Still feeling bummed out about not passing but I have to pick myself up and get to studying!!!

Good luck to everyone else still waiting!!

MPTPWZ1026 · Post by **MPTPWZ1026** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:26 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:Finally got around to updating the spreadsheet after the weekend. Here you go (32 reporting): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Also, for those who passed but don't want your username public, feel free to PM me the information. I'll be sure to keep everything anonymous. The more, the better Also, if I've erred in anything reported, please contact me ASAP to correct/update the information.

To summarize some bullet points:

The Good: Scaled MBE Scores are coming in at approximately 20+ points as to what takers had on their Midterm/Finals with Bar Prep courses. Again, this is in line with what Kaplan's Chris Fromm estimated.

The Bad: CBX takers still have 67 days of waiting.

The Ugly: Initial statistics are that a many pass rates are down year-over-year in several states (at least including WA, IA, WI, NM & NC).

Also, it's safe to say that a vast majority of people felt like shit after taking the MBE and most of them have passed. I think 2 people reported actually feeling good or normal afterwards, and they got ungodly scores and were scoring in the top of their respective bar course's programs.

One error here. Iowa's pass rate went up compared to last year. We had a 91% pass rate for first-time takers compared to 82% last year.

Outis Onoma · Post by **Outis Onoma** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:49 pm

Looks like WA really went up from last July for first time, ABA-JD exam takers: it went from 79.8% in July 2014 to 81.5% in July 2015.

LLMs and repeaters were crushed: 40% pass rates.

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:16 pm

Outis Onoma wrote:Looks like WA really went up from last July for first time, ABA-JD exam takers: it went from 79.8% in July 2014 to 81.5% in July 2015.

LLMs and repeaters were crushed: 40% pass rates.

Right now we're looking at year-over-year looking at all takers. I thought year-over-year IA and WA went down when looking at all takers. Is that incorrect?

Thanks for the information!

Also, here's another small update: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

robinhoodOO · Post by **robinhoodOO** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:20 pm

JayRock2015 wrote:RobinHood --Just an update received my actual MBE score today, I received a 141 not a 153. I also checked my last Barbri exam 112 raw and then Strategies and Tactics 117 raw...just wanted to make sure I give the TLSrs the right scores. Still feeling bummed out about not passing but I have to pick myself up and get to studying!!!

Good luck to everyone else still waiting!!

Thanks for the info, JayRock. I'm confident that if you adjust you're study schedule to focus in more on the state materials you can pass

I've had several friends fail the 1st time around in CA and turn around and pass (and it's supposedly the most difficult bar).

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