BarBri - NY Exam - July 2014 Forum

[nygrrrl]

Voila: http://www.smartbarprep.com/SmartBarPre ... alysis.pdf

FYI I used this last year for the bar. Super helpful. Eg for professional responsibility, there's really only a few subjects ever tested. It's either something to do with fees/money or a conflict of interest.

This is great - thanks, both!

[AJS30]

Voila: http://www.smartbarprep.com/SmartBarPre ... alysis.pdf

FYI I used this last year for the bar. Super helpful. Eg for professional responsibility, there's really only a few subjects ever tested. It's either something to do with fees/money or a conflict of interest.

This is great - thanks, both!

I Kind of want to buy this now, but I know I shouldn't. Already bought the lean sheets and haven't even really looked at those yet.

[5ky]

Voila: http://www.smartbarprep.com/SmartBarPre ... alysis.pdf

FYI I used this last year for the bar. Super helpful. Eg for professional responsibility, there's really only a few subjects ever tested. It's either something to do with fees/money or a conflict of interest.

This is great - thanks, both!

I Kind of want to buy this now, but I know I shouldn't. Already bought the lean sheets and haven't even really looked at those yet.

? Don't have to buy anything. That PDF has all the information you need

[AJS30]

I meant the outline you can buy and just use that for the NY stuff going forward.

[pizzasodafries]

Just read through this thread, great stuff fellas.

Curious if any of you got the correct answer to torts, section set 1, question 18.

[jets098]

Does anybody have the lecture handout with Day 1 of Wills filled in? For some reason mine never saved on my computer and last thing I want to do is watch that lecture again.

[Helpful]

Going to try to tidy up some MBE weak spots today before the simulated midterm tomorrow. Really want to do well enough that I can feel comfortable leaving the MBE behind for a bit and start focusing on the NY subjects of which I know little to nothing.

Is there a method to, however roughly, convert BarBri percentile to an estimated raw or scaled MBE score?

[thetashster]

Going to try to tidy up some MBE weak spots today before the simulated midterm tomorrow. Really want to do well enough that I can feel comfortable leaving the MBE behind for a bit and start focusing on the NY subjects of which I know little to nothing.

Is there a method to, however roughly, convert BarBri percentile to an estimated raw or scaled MBE score?

I'm not sure how to do the conversion. In fact, But, like somebody mentioned before, if you're hitting roughly 30%tile you're going to be fine (if the bar pass rate is between 70-78). YOu're not gonna be a superstar. But at least you'll be passing!

[Helpful]

Going to try to tidy up some MBE weak spots today before the simulated midterm tomorrow. Really want to do well enough that I can feel comfortable leaving the MBE behind for a bit and start focusing on the NY subjects of which I know little to nothing.

Is there a method to, however roughly, convert BarBri percentile to an estimated raw or scaled MBE score?

I'm not sure how to do the conversion. In fact, But, like somebody mentioned before, if you're hitting roughly 30%tile you're going to be fine (if the bar pass rate is between 70-78). YOu're not gonna be a superstar. But at least you'll be passing!

I am surpassing that -- I'm just trying to gauge roughly how well I need to do on the essays. The Desert Fox autopass thread is very helpful, although obviously not as applicable in NY.

[Guchster]

yikes. just did Set 4 for torts and got firehosed in the face. did people have some trouble on it or did I choke on these specific areas of laws that were tested?

It seemed trickier than the other ones...

[nygrrrl]

yikes. just did Set 4 for torts and got firehosed in the face. did people have some trouble on it or did I choke on these specific areas of laws that were tested?

It seemed trickier than the other ones...

I thought set 2 was sneaky and set 4... was just intentionally mean.

[Helpful]

yikes. just did Set 4 for torts and got firehosed in the face. did people have some trouble on it or did I choke on these specific areas of laws that were tested?

It seemed trickier than the other ones...

I thought set 2 was sneaky and set 4... was just intentionally mean.

The thing that annoys me with Torts is that so many of the questions seem to me like jury questions/debatable. When I go to make a flash card with something I got wrong it's almost as if I'm making a flash card for that specific set of facts/scenario, because I don't see how the analysis would apply across the board.

[hemm]

yikes. just did Set 4 for torts and got firehosed in the face. did people have some trouble on it or did I choke on these specific areas of laws that were tested?

It seemed trickier than the other ones...

I thought set 2 was sneaky and set 4... was just intentionally mean.

The thing that annoys me with Torts is that so many of the questions seem to me like jury questions/debatable. When I go to make a flash card with something I got wrong it's almost as if I'm making a flash card for that specific set of facts/scenario, because I don't see how the analysis would apply across the board.

Yeah, the lecturers keep saying we won't have to make "judgment calls," but I feel like I have to a lot.

[nygrrrl]

yikes. just did Set 4 for torts and got firehosed in the face. did people have some trouble on it or did I choke on these specific areas of laws that were tested?

It seemed trickier than the other ones...

I thought set 2 was sneaky and set 4... was just intentionally mean.

The thing that annoys me with Torts is that so many of the questions seem to me like jury questions/debatable. When I go to make a flash card with something I got wrong it's almost as if I'm making a flash card for that specific set of facts/scenario, because I don't see how the analysis would apply across the board.

The thing that helped me on the fourth set is that I read the problems very carefully. Over and over, I'd find some tiny tweak to the fact pattern that knocked out 2 or 3 possible answers right away... but very sneaky.

[greenjuice]

Voila: http://www.smartbarprep.com/SmartBarPre ... alysis.pdf

FYI I used this last year for the bar. Super helpful. Eg for professional responsibility, there's really only a few subjects ever tested. It's either something to do with fees/money or a conflict of interest.

This is great - thanks, both!

I Kind of want to buy this now, but I know I shouldn't. Already bought the lean sheets and haven't even really looked at those yet.

What do you (and others, if you've purchased them) think of the lean sheets? I'm thinking about purchasing, but only if the NY specific materials (especially for MBE topics) are fairly comprehensive and I wouldn't have to spend a lot of time adding in more stuff.

[Guchster]

What do you (and others, if you've purchased them) think of the lean sheets? I'm thinking about purchasing, but only if the NY specific materials (especially for MBE topics) are fairly comprehensive and I wouldn't have to spend a lot of time adding in more stuff.

IMO they're okay. They're like super bare bones with tons of abbreviations so if you need something to give you a rough cut or the "least amount I need to know to have my head on straight" they'll help. They're the equivalent of a checklist/final abbreviated outline (around 40 pages for all MBE/NY subjects)--if that makes a difference on whether they'd be helpful or not. I got them because I always did well in law school by memorizing other people's short lists and never reaped many benefits from making my own abbreviated outlines.

On another note, how did it go today guys? Javits wasn't as atrocious as I had built up in my head; kinda felt solidarity and comfort from the fact that many people are going through what I'm going through (I obvi knew the numbers but it was different actually seeing that many faces). Thought the test was a little tough but fair and definitely didn't feel like MPQ1 Set 4/5 status to me at all. Ha, we'll see what I say when I get my score back and do even worse than my Set 4/5 ordinary results.

Anyone know when we get them?

[bluecrab5448]

My section was told this Friday.

I thought the morning session was hard but mostly straightforward. Then I hit a wall in the middle of the afternoon session and seriously stared at a question for 10 minutes.

[greenjuice]

What do you (and others, if you've purchased them) think of the lean sheets? I'm thinking about purchasing, but only if the NY specific materials (especially for MBE topics) are fairly comprehensive and I wouldn't have to spend a lot of time adding in more stuff.

IMO they're okay. They're like super bare bones with tons of abbreviations so if you need something to give you a rough cut or the "least amount I need to know to have my head on straight" they'll help. They're the equivalent of a checklist/final abbreviated outline (around 40 pages for all MBE/NY subjects)--if that makes a difference on whether they'd be helpful or not. I got them because I always did well in law school by memorizing other people's short lists and never reaped many benefits from making my own abbreviated outlines.

On another note, how did it go today guys? Javits wasn't as atrocious as I had built up in my head; kinda felt solidarity and comfort from the fact that many people are going through what I'm going through (I obvi knew the numbers but it was different actually seeing that many faces). Thought the test was a little tough but fair and definitely didn't feel like MPQ1 Set 4/5 status to me at all. Ha, we'll see what I say when I get my score back and do even worse than my Set 4/5 ordinary results.

Anyone know when we get them?

Thanks! I might get them for crunch time as a review then and keep using my own notes for now (although every day feels more and more like crunch time...)

Javits was a good experience in putting up with other people's noises and breathing. Are earplugs allowed for the bar? I feel like they didn't allow them for the MPRE. Also, same as bluecrab, I missed a lot more Qs in the PM portion. Dunno if the Qs were harder, but I definitely had an afternoon slump.

The email we got from Barbri said we'd be able to download individualized reports starting Friday. Apparently you can get the report right away if you enter your answers online, but I wonder how accurate the percentile rankings, etc. will be if it doesn't take into account all of the NY test taker's results. I don't want to spend time entering all 200 answers, so I guess I'll wait.

[AJS30]

What do you (and others, if you've purchased them) think of the lean sheets? I'm thinking about purchasing, but only if the NY specific materials (especially for MBE topics) are fairly comprehensive and I wouldn't have to spend a lot of time adding in more stuff.

IMO they're okay. They're like super bare bones with tons of abbreviations so if you need something to give you a rough cut or the "least amount I need to know to have my head on straight" they'll help. They're the equivalent of a checklist/final abbreviated outline (around 40 pages for all MBE/NY subjects)--if that makes a difference on whether they'd be helpful or not. I got them because I always did well in law school by memorizing other people's short lists and never reaped many benefits from making my own abbreviated outlines.

On another note, how did it go today guys? Javits wasn't as atrocious as I had built up in my head; kinda felt solidarity and comfort from the fact that many people are going through what I'm going through (I obvi knew the numbers but it was different actually seeing that many faces). Thought the test was a little tough but fair and definitely didn't feel like MPQ1 Set 4/5 status to me at all. Ha, we'll see what I say when I get my score back and do even worse than my Set 4/5 ordinary results.

Anyone know when we get them?

Agree with above regarding the lean sheets. I'd probably give them a 3 out of 5. In regards to the abbreviations- at the 2 times I've looked at them, I may have spent a minute or two trying to figure out what some of the abbreviations stood for---maybe I'm just slow in that respect.

As for today, I definitely thought it was going to be a lot worse in terms of noise/distractibility, I'm thinking of bringing a pair of ear plugs for the actual test, but if it was like today, I think I will be fine. However, I already self graded myself on the way home and not too happy. If it's true as to what they say about your score going up, then I'll be fine on test day, but if nothing happens between today and test day or if I go down, then I'm screwed.

[AJS30]

http://www.nybarexam.org/Docs/secpolicy.pdf

You can bring in foam earplugs

Also, was the guy serious today that once you take something off you can't put it back on?

[Guchster]

maybe I'm just slow in that respect.

Ha! SAME EXACT THING HERE. I thought I was the only one (or figured I was zoning out too much during reading and lectures to know the basic abrevs.) I feel much less stupid now, and given the results that are likely to come in Friday, I'll take whatever I can get.

Too scurred to grade it myself and worried that I'll be too distracted to get to work this week if it's bad.

[nygrrrl]

maybe I'm just slow in that respect.

Ha! SAME EXACT THING HERE. I thought I was the only one (or figured I was zoning out too much during reading and lectures to know the basic abrevs.) I feel much less stupid now, and given the results that are likely to come in Friday, I'll take whatever I can get.

Too scurred to grade it myself and worried that I'll be too distracted to get to work this week if it's bad.

Self graded. Bad decision.

[obiwankenobi]

I've read that Barbri's NYMC questions don't prepare you for the real thing.

So - are any actual, past NYMC questions posted anywhere?

[El Pollito]

I've read that Barbri's NYMC questions don't prepare you for the real thing.

So - are any actual, past NYMC questions posted anywhere?

No, don't bother studying for it specifically, it's a total crapshoot.

[pizzasodafries]

Not sure how to feel about getting 116 correct on today's practice mbe. Thought the questions were easier than study smart ones, but I missed many questions in which I thought I 100% had the right answer.

Side point, I love that we have to take all these ethic exams and character and fitness evaluations but they won't trust us to bring a fucking laptop case into the bar. We have to bring it on the subway with all the wires and shit hanging out