BarBri - NY Exam - July 2014 Forum

[brazleton]

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[hemm]

So...can the wills lecture be skipped?

[prs362]

So...can the wills lecture be skipped?

The lecture is really terrible (though she talks so slow that 2.0 speed is completely fine), but I do think all of the hypos will be beneficial for studying purposes.

[Guchster]

So...can the wills lecture be skipped?

The lecture is really terrible (though she talks so slow that 2.0 speed is completely fine), but I do think all of the hypos will be beneficial for studying purposes.

I gave her half of one star, lol. It's insane to me that considering wills is the third most tested subject on NY essays they'd let her do all THREE (!) wills lectures.

Come on people. Look at at the height of her shoulder pads and taste in jacket fabrics (I COULD NOT) and try not to tell me she she doesn't have a serious issue with judgment. It would've been more effective to have a Paula sing-a-long to the Wills NY CMR section.

[greenjuice]

So...can the wills lecture be skipped?

The lecture is really terrible (though she talks so slow that 2.0 speed is completely fine), but I do think all of the hypos will be beneficial for studying purposes.

I gave her half of one star, lol. It's insane to me that considering wills is the third most tested subject on NY essays they'd let her do all THREE (!) wills lectures.

Come on people. Look at at the height of her shoulder pads and taste in jacket fabrics (I COULD NOT) and try not to tell me she she doesn't have a serious issue with judgment. It would've been more effective to have a Paula sing-a-long to the Wills NY CMR section.

I lol'ed when she said she couldn't sing like Franzese or Alexander and then later said she thought mnemonics were useless and we should just learn the law lol

[prs362]

So if we get a RAP/RAS Power of Appointments essay, I am just going to write a big "LOL" on the page and move on.

[Helpful]

I'm still doing about average on the MBE stuff so I guess I'm going to switch to start memorizing some of the NY essay stuff now. Unfamiliar with the vast majority of it from LS. Good idea?

[jets098]

I'm still doing about average on the MBE stuff so I guess I'm going to switch to start memorizing some of the NY essay stuff now. Unfamiliar with the vast majority of it from LS. Good idea?

I'm going to move on to some of the NY stuff too. How are people dealing with memorizing the amount of information needed in the NY materials? I find that even the amount in the outlines is going to be too much and I am thinking of condensing each topic down into shorter outlines (especially for the more comprehensive topics like Corporations, NY Practice, Wills,Trusts etc.). Only thing I'm nervous about when condensing is that I'll be cutting out some essential information but not sure how I'll memorize the amount of information otherwise.

[StillNDC]

I'm still doing about average on the MBE stuff so I guess I'm going to switch to start memorizing some of the NY essay stuff now. Unfamiliar with the vast majority of it from LS. Good idea?

I'm going to move on to some of the NY stuff too. How are people dealing with memorizing the amount of information needed in the NY materials? I find that even the amount in the outlines is going to be too much and I am thinking of condensing each topic down into shorter outlines (especially for the more comprehensive topics like Corporations, NY Practice, Wills,Trusts etc.). Only thing I'm nervous about when condensing is that I'll be cutting out some essential information but not sure how I'll memorize the amount of information otherwise.

I made flashcards for the really nit-picky NYMBE questions for the things that won't be coming up in an essay (think fees-on-fees, Magnusen-Moss Act) and everything is is in a shortened (5 pages max) outline. I figured that between creating the shortened outlines and the repetitive practice from the number of BarBri essays assigned, I may be okay?

[jets098]

I'm still doing about average on the MBE stuff so I guess I'm going to switch to start memorizing some of the NY essay stuff now. Unfamiliar with the vast majority of it from LS. Good idea?

I'm going to move on to some of the NY stuff too. How are people dealing with memorizing the amount of information needed in the NY materials? I find that even the amount in the outlines is going to be too much and I am thinking of condensing each topic down into shorter outlines (especially for the more comprehensive topics like Corporations, NY Practice, Wills,Trusts etc.). Only thing I'm nervous about when condensing is that I'll be cutting out some essential information but not sure how I'll memorize the amount of information otherwise.

I made flashcards for the really nit-picky NYMBE questions for the things that won't be coming up in an essay (think fees-on-fees, Magnusen-Moss Act) and everything is is in a shortened (5 pages max) outline. I figured that between creating the shortened outlines and the repetitive practice from the number of BarBri essays assigned, I may be okay?

Yeah I agree. I have flashcards for the NY lecture outlines but even that is way too much information for all the topics there are. I think shortened outlines are necessary for those.

[AJS30]

I'm still doing about average on the MBE stuff so I guess I'm going to switch to start memorizing some of the NY essay stuff now. Unfamiliar with the vast majority of it from LS. Good idea?

I'm going to move on to some of the NY stuff too. How are people dealing with memorizing the amount of information needed in the NY materials? I find that even the amount in the outlines is going to be too much and I am thinking of condensing each topic down into shorter outlines (especially for the more comprehensive topics like Corporations, NY Practice, Wills,Trusts etc.). Only thing I'm nervous about when condensing is that I'll be cutting out some essential information but not sure how I'll memorize the amount of information otherwise.

I made flashcards for the really nit-picky NYMBE questions for the things that won't be coming up in an essay (think fees-on-fees, Magnusen-Moss Act) and everything is is in a shortened (5 pages max) outline. I figured that between creating the shortened outlines and the repetitive practice from the number of BarBri essays assigned, I may be okay?

Yeah, I'm actually starting to think that I may not pass. I used to be able to memorize, but that does not seem to be the case anymore and it's starting to scare me. I am reading over the Trust section in the CMR right now, and I can't even concentrate. I really wish my school had offered some 1 or 2 credit bar review course.

Also, I would have no idea what the Magnusen-Moss Act is unless I just googled it.

[thetashster]

I feel the exact same way. There's just SO much material. I'm worried I'll have to just start making up law on the exam and doing IRAC to my make-believe laws.

[StillNDC]

I'm still doing about average on the MBE stuff so I guess I'm going to switch to start memorizing some of the NY essay stuff now. Unfamiliar with the vast majority of it from LS. Good idea?

I'm going to move on to some of the NY stuff too. How are people dealing with memorizing the amount of information needed in the NY materials? I find that even the amount in the outlines is going to be too much and I am thinking of condensing each topic down into shorter outlines (especially for the more comprehensive topics like Corporations, NY Practice, Wills,Trusts etc.). Only thing I'm nervous about when condensing is that I'll be cutting out some essential information but not sure how I'll memorize the amount of information otherwise.

I made flashcards for the really nit-picky NYMBE questions for the things that won't be coming up in an essay (think fees-on-fees, Magnusen-Moss Act) and everything is is in a shortened (5 pages max) outline. I figured that between creating the shortened outlines and the repetitive practice from the number of BarBri essays assigned, I may be okay?

Yeah, I'm actually starting to think that I may not pass. I used to be able to memorize, but that does not seem to be the case anymore and it's starting to scare me. I am reading over the Trust section in the CMR right now, and I can't even concentrate. I really wish my school had offered some 1 or 2 credit bar review course.

Also, I would have no idea what the Magnusen-Moss Act is unless I just googled it.

I only know this because it was on a barbri nymc question for contracts and I think torts? I figured if it was on there twice, you should probably know it. Same as the parents have to specifically ask for the police to contact an attorney - they can't just say "Child is represented by atty, would you like his phone number" and tattoos are like handwriting - they tested those three times in the nymc practice sections. That's my should I give a crap about this indicator. Lecturer said ripe for testing, identified it as a MC question, or barbri has decided that its important.

[peanut123]

Yeah, I'm actually starting to think that I may not pass. I used to be able to memorize, but that does not seem to be the case anymore and it's starting to scare me. I am reading over the Trust section in the CMR right now, and I can't even concentrate. I really wish my school had offered some 1 or 2 credit bar review course.

Also, I would have no idea what the Magnusen-Moss Act is unless I just googled it.

I know exactly how you feel, except I've never been a great memorizer. I also don't read well in that I don't internalize information just by reading. But the thing is, if you really think about it, we have a ton of time left. I was always amazed during finals how much can be accomplished in a day. This is harder because it's not a matter of a few rough days, but many, many rough days on end. But still, even putting in 6-8 hours a day is perfectly manageable and would give you a lot of study time.

Remember too that last year, the pass rate was 78% for all first time test takers. To be on the conservative side, we can say that 70% of first-time takers will probably pass this year -- that means we're aiming for the 30th percentile to pass. We can do this.

[igo2northwestern]

Hey do you all know where I can find a list of the most tested exam subjects? For the essays.

[Norm DePlume]

Voila: http://www.smartbarprep.com/SmartBarPre ... alysis.pdf

[igo2northwestern]

Many thanks!

[5ky]

Voila: http://www.smartbarprep.com/SmartBarPre ... alysis.pdf

FYI I used this last year for the bar. Super helpful. Eg for professional responsibility, there's really only a few subjects ever tested. It's either something to do with fees/money or a conflict of interest.

[VulcanVulcanVulcan]

Yeah, I'm actually starting to think that I may not pass. I used to be able to memorize, but that does not seem to be the case anymore and it's starting to scare me. I am reading over the Trust section in the CMR right now, and I can't even concentrate. I really wish my school had offered some 1 or 2 credit bar review course.

Also, I would have no idea what the Magnusen-Moss Act is unless I just googled it.

I know exactly how you feel, except I've never been a great memorizer. I also don't read well in that I don't internalize information just by reading. But the thing is, if you really think about it, we have a ton of time left. I was always amazed during finals how much can be accomplished in a day. This is harder because it's not a matter of a few rough days, but many, many rough days on end. But still, even putting in 6-8 hours a day is perfectly manageable and would give you a lot of study time.

Remember too that last year, the pass rate was 78% for all first time test takers. To be on the conservative side, we can say that 70% of first-time takers will probably pass this year -- that means we're aiming for the 30th percentile to pass. We can do this.

It's actually higher than 78%--you're counting foreign-educated lawyers. The passage rate is like 88% for American students.

http://www.nybarexam.org/ExamStats/2013 ... istics.pdf

[Guchster]

Voila: http://www.smartbarprep.com/SmartBarPre ... alysis.pdf

Hey this is bad ass. Thank you so much for this. This is really going to help calm me down and help me figure out what to focus on in each subject.

ETA: can someone forward this to Erica Fine so she can edit the fuck out of her 104 page outline and shitty lectures.

[prs362]

It's actually higher than 78%--you're counting foreign-educated lawyers. The passage rate is like 88% for American students.

http://www.nybarexam.org/ExamStats/2013 ... istics.pdf

Not even joking, I look at this almost weekly to calm my nerves.

[Helpful]

Voila: http://www.smartbarprep.com/SmartBarPre ... alysis.pdf

FYI I used this last year for the bar. Super helpful. Eg for professional responsibility, there's really only a few subjects ever tested. It's either something to do with fees/money or a conflict of interest.

This is very comforting because it seems like there's a lot more overlap with the MBE than I thought.

[5ky]

Voila: http://www.smartbarprep.com/SmartBarPre ... alysis.pdf

FYI I used this last year for the bar. Super helpful. Eg for professional responsibility, there's really only a few subjects ever tested. It's either something to do with fees/money or a conflict of interest.

This is very comforting because it seems like there's a lot more overlap with the MBE than I thought.

I would guess I spent less than 5 hours all summer studying NY distinctions for MBE subjects.

[prs362]

Voila: http://www.smartbarprep.com/SmartBarPre ... alysis.pdf

FYI I used this last year for the bar. Super helpful. Eg for professional responsibility, there's really only a few subjects ever tested. It's either something to do with fees/money or a conflict of interest.

This is very comforting because it seems like there's a lot more overlap with the MBE than I thought.

I would guess I spent less than 5 hours all summer studying NY distinctions for MBE subjects.

Curious how much time you spent learning the varying degrees of crimes in NY (e.g., recklessness for 4th degree arson but intent + other bull shit for 3rd-1st)? I know it will be important for murder, there is like 4 degrees of robbery, burglary, assault, etc. I have most of them down now, but I think it will all come crumbling down closer to the exam when I have to make space in my brain for more important issues.

[5ky]

I actually memorized all of those. For MBE, I just did only national law until the end of July. I was aware of some of the differences from the lectures, but I never actively studied them. On practice essays I would just use the national law as a placeholder , or put in the Ny distinction if it had stuck.

Towards the end I created separate outlines of NY distinctions for the 6 subjects, solely of the distinctions that had been pointed out in lectures, and then maybe a few others I had seen in sample answers to practice essays. These ranged from zero pages (conlaw) to four (for crim, which was the longest). Most were exceptionally short. Then one afternoon towards the end I memorized all of those distinctions and that was it.