July 2014 New York Bar Exam Forum

[kapital98]

NY Civil Practice is wildly boring.

I actually find it more interesting than Con Law

LOCO!

[duckpunchingmaniac]

NY Civil Practice is wildly boring.

I actually find it more interesting than Con Law

I do too, but that may be because I'm interested in litigation. I never understood aspiring litigators who were bored by civ pro.

[northwood]

NY Civil Practice is wildly boring.

I actually find it more interesting than Con Law

LOCO!

blame it on the bar exam prep

[kapital98]

NY Civil Practice is wildly boring.

I actually find it more interesting than Con Law

LOCO!

blame it on the bar exam prep

I'm so happy civ pro is not part of the MBE yet. It will be for the February 2015 test. It's actually a really good reason for not failing the test.

[northwood]

I'm so happy civ pro is not part of the MBE yet. It will be for the February 2015 test. It's actually a really good reason for not failing the test.

that is the motivation to stay on task from here on out- starting tomorrow

[themis513]

Any past bar exam takers know how to get Fed Civ Pro and NY CPLR down for the bar? I have gone over all my bar prep lectures and basically remember nothing. It was my worst grade in law school.

Now I am trying to condense 100 pages worth of study material into 12 pages or so which will take a whole load of time!!! But I don't know of any other way of going over the material that will help it stick. Anyone???

[northwood]

Any past bar exam takers know how to get Fed Civ Pro and NY CPLR down for the bar? I have gone over all my bar prep lectures and basically remember nothing. It was my worst grade in law school.

Now I am trying to condense 100 pages worth of study material into 12 pages or so which will take a whole load of time!!! But I don't know of any other way of going over the material that will help it stick. Anyone???

you don't need fed. civ pro for NY bar until February 2015

they only care about New York civil procedure law

[AJS30]

Any past bar exam takers know how to get Fed Civ Pro and NY CPLR down for the bar? I have gone over all my bar prep lectures and basically remember nothing. It was my worst grade in law school.

Now I am trying to condense 100 pages worth of study material into 12 pages or so which will take a whole load of time!!! But I don't know of any other way of going over the material that will help it stick. Anyone???

you don't need fed. civ pro for NY bar until February 2015

they only care about New York civil procedure law

I think we are responsible for fed civ pro. I think one of the possible subjects on the essays can be federal jurisdiction, so you should know a little about it.

[kapital98]

Any past bar exam takers know how to get Fed Civ Pro and NY CPLR down for the bar? I have gone over all my bar prep lectures and basically remember nothing. It was my worst grade in law school.

Now I am trying to condense 100 pages worth of study material into 12 pages or so which will take a whole load of time!!! But I don't know of any other way of going over the material that will help it stick. Anyone???

you don't need fed. civ pro for NY bar until February 2015

they only care about New York civil procedure law

I think we are responsible for fed civ pro. I think one of the possible subjects on the essays can be federal jurisdiction, so you should know a little about it.

You may want to ask your adviser about that. I don't think Fed Civ Pro is on the NY test. Only NY civ pro. Of course, there is so much overlap that knowing Fed Civ Pro is still very helpful.

[JenDarby]

Kaplan did one super short fed civ pro lecture and it was nearly identical to the NY civ pro lecture, except the lecturer was way worse.

[northwood]

Kaplan did one super short fed civ pro lecture and it was nearly identical to the NY civ pro lecture, except the lecturer was way worse.

fee fie foe , fed. civ. pro killed the dinosaur

[5ky]

Any past bar exam takers know how to get Fed Civ Pro and NY CPLR down for the bar? I have gone over all my bar prep lectures and basically remember nothing. It was my worst grade in law school.

Now I am trying to condense 100 pages worth of study material into 12 pages or so which will take a whole load of time!!! But I don't know of any other way of going over the material that will help it stick. Anyone???

you don't need fed. civ pro for NY bar until February 2015

they only care about New York civil procedure law

I think we are responsible for fed civ pro. I think one of the possible subjects on the essays can be federal jurisdiction, so you should know a little about it.

You may want to ask your adviser about that. I don't think Fed Civ Pro is on the NY test. Only NY civ pro. Of course, there is so much overlap that knowing Fed Civ Pro is still very helpful.

Barbri called it like "federal jurisdiction" or something. It's been tested something like 3-4 times on an essay ever.

I watched the lecture on it and then devoted maybe 1-2 hours of memorizing to get the very basics down the week of the exam, then just punted on the rest. Wasn't really worth it.

[AJS30]

[quote="5ky"][quote="kapital98"][quote="AJS30"][quote="northwood"][quote="themis513"]Any past bar exam takers know how to get Fed Civ Pro and NY CPLR down for the bar? I have gone over all my bar prep lectures and basically remember nothing. It was my worst grade in law school.

Yeah, we have a barbri federal jurisdiction lecture in like 2 weeks with Freer. On the NY Bar Content Outline, the last thing under the NY Practice Content they have Federal Practice and Procedure, which consists of: Jurisdiction, Supplemental jurisdiction, removal and remand, venue, interpleader and habes corpus.

I only have the separac master from 2005, which I think lists all the essays by which subtopics were tested from 1995-2005, the only thing I really see listed is that the issue of removing a case to federal court was tested 3 times.

[AJS30]

FYI- they posted the Feb 2014 essay questions

[AJS30]

Also, is it safe to assume that things tested in feb won't be tested in July, like easements?

[5ky]

Also, is it safe to assume that things tested in feb won't be tested in July, like easements?

no. also, you need to know easements for the MBE

[Guchster]

For essay questions assigned by barbri, how much are you letting yourselves consult study materials while you practice? I try to do it without looking, but at this point, I'll either state the rule of law really clumsily or can't remember 1 or 2 elements without quickly glancing at the CMR or my outlines.

I think 'cheating' makes me feel less like i'm UTTERLY UTTERLY screwed and more in control (than I probably actually am(?)) but obviously I need to cut this crap out soon as we're already under 30 days. If I'm struggling to recall law we've already learned (even though I get it with a quick glance for help), where would you say I fall in the pack (i.e., is this normal or am I slacking?) I feel like if I didn't have these study guides at this point it'd be straight 2/10s.

[5ky]

For essay questions assigned by barbri, how much are you letting yourselves consult study materials while you practice? I try to do it without looking, but at this point, I'll either state the rule of law really clumsily or can't remember 1 or 2 elements without quickly glancing at the CMR or my outlines.

I think 'cheating' makes me feel less like i'm UTTERLY UTTERLY screwed and more in control (than I probably actually am(?)) but obviously I need to cut this crap out soon as we're already under 30 days. If I'm struggling to recall law we've already learned (even though I get it with a quick glance for help), where would you say I fall in the pack (i.e., is this normal or am I slacking?) I feel like if I didn't have these study guides at this point it'd be straight 2/10s.

i took the approach that if i didn't know the law (which was most of the time until mid-July), it was more worthwhile to write/outline an essay with my outlines in front of me. it helped me memorize the law instead of wasting time guess-writing an essay

[salvage]

Seriously, how the hell can they expect us to memorize this amount of law. What a ridiculous exam. I honestly don't understand how anyone (or maybe just me) could do even mediocre on the Bar.

[AJS30]

Seriously, how the hell can they expect us to memorize this amount of law. What a ridiculous exam. I honestly don't understand how anyone (or maybe just me) could do even mediocre on the Bar.

That's why I'd love to see an average essay example instead of the superior answer they post on the NY site. I'm kinda hoping to just get by with general answers...

[Guchster]

Seriously, how the hell can they expect us to memorize this amount of law. What a ridiculous exam. I honestly don't understand how anyone (or maybe just me) could do even mediocre on the Bar.

That's why I'd love to see an average essay example instead of the superior answer they post on the NY site. I'm kinda hoping to just get by with general answers...

Yeah, I think looking at an average answer would make me feel a lot better (*hopefully*). I think seeing the model answers posted February 2014 exam scared the hell out of me. No way IN HELL I could've recited the exact elements necessary for an implied easement off the top of my head without at least glancing at my outlines/CMR. I wonder what a 5 & 6 answer really looks like--and not just by barbri standards.

[Stringer6]

Seriously, how the hell can they expect us to memorize this amount of law. What a ridiculous exam. I honestly don't understand how anyone (or maybe just me) could do even mediocre on the Bar.

That's why I'd love to see an average essay example instead of the superior answer they post on the NY site. I'm kinda hoping to just get by with general answers...

Yeah, I think looking at an average answer would make me feel a lot better (*hopefully*). I think seeing the model answers posted February 2014 exam scared the hell out of me. No way IN HELL I could've recited the exact elements necessary for an implied easement off the top of my head without at least glancing at my outlines/CMR. I wonder what a 5 & 6 answer really looks like--and not just by barbri standards.

If you can rack up points by inventing law and applying it, then the standard shouldn't be that high.

[salvage]

Seriously, how the hell can they expect us to memorize this amount of law. What a ridiculous exam. I honestly don't understand how anyone (or maybe just me) could do even mediocre on the Bar.

That's why I'd love to see an average essay example instead of the superior answer they post on the NY site. I'm kinda hoping to just get by with general answers...

Yeah, I think looking at an average answer would make me feel a lot better (*hopefully*). I think seeing the model answers posted February 2014 exam scared the hell out of me. No way IN HELL I could've recited the exact elements necessary for an implied easement off the top of my head without at least glancing at my outlines/CMR. I wonder what a 5 & 6 answer really looks like--and not just by barbri standards.

If you can rack up points by inventing law and applying it, then the standard shouldn't be that high.

How is this a thing? What am I, a state legislator?

[AJS30]

If you can rack up points by inventing law and applying it, then the standard shouldn't be that high.[/quote]
How is this a thing? What am I, a state legislator?[/quote][/quote]


Haha...actually one of my friends who took the bar in 2011 and worked for a bar prep company said the same thing. If you don't know something, you just make up a rule and then apply your analysis to the rule you made up. Obviously you won't get points for the wrong law, but they will give you partial credit for your application to the made up rule.

[northwood]

when you say make up a rule. what exactly do you mean? like the test used by a court, or what something is ( like the federal arbitration act)

or how to calculate damages for a contract breach