Themis Bar Review Hangout - July 2016 Forum

[just_me]

finishing up civ pro. The pre-trial conference "where the judge tries to bully you into settling." LOL. I do find that those random asides in the lectures stick with me the most. Like inquiry notice in property, I remember "dude, why are you on my farm?"

Ha, yes his "just some dude" comment always sticks in my mind too, no idea why!

[Vantwins]

Ugh. My graded essay performance has been SPS.

Also, if I finish a day, just let me start going down the list on the next day. Not a big deal, just annoying.

Yes, and I'd like to be able to knock something down the list if that makes sense.

[Easy-E]

finishing up civ pro. The pre-trial conference "where the judge tries to bully you into settling." LOL. I do find that those random asides in the lectures stick with me the most. Like inquiry notice in property, I remember "dude, why are you on my farm?"

Ha, yes his "just some dude" comment always sticks in my mind too, no idea why!

I grew to like that guy. I can't remember what it was during conlaw, but he just dismissed some theory by saying "because that's stupid".

[NaeDeen]

Ugh. My graded essay performance has been SPS.

Also, if I finish a day, just let me start going down the list on the next day. Not a big deal, just annoying.

Yes, and I'd like to be able to knock something down the list if that makes sense.

I do this also...just navigate to the left side and click on whatever thing you'd like to do. The only things that aren't available are the AQs and some of the graded essays. Basically if you're in direct study, click on the left side to switch to flex study. I normally look at the next day and do whatever is on there by clicking on the left under flex study.

[Chardee_MacDennis]

Property bro is killing it with the quips in the wills lectures.

[Easy-E]

I'm sure this one is on me for just being dumb. From the second set of civpro PQs.

[+] Spoiler

A production company brought a copyright infringement action against a competitor in federal district court. The production company and the competitor were incorporated and had their principal places of business in State A. In its complaint, the production company alleged that the competitor’s distribution of its protected work resulted in $50,000 in damages. The competitor denied the production company’s claims and stated a counterclaim for $30,000 in its answer. The competitor also included an explicit statement its answer that it consented to the jurisdiction of the district court.


I guess I'm supposed to know copyright law is federal only? Whoops.

[Nebby]

I'm sure this one is on me for just being dumb. From the second set of civpro PQs.

[+] Spoiler

A production company brought a copyright infringement action against a competitor in federal district court. The production company and the competitor were incorporated and had their principal places of business in State A. In its complaint, the production company alleged that the competitor’s distribution of its protected work resulted in $50,000 in damages. The competitor denied the production company’s claims and stated a counterclaim for $30,000 in its answer. The competitor also included an explicit statement its answer that it consented to the jurisdiction of the district court.


I guess I'm supposed to know copyright law is federal only? Whoops.

I missed that question too. I put in my notes "ASSUME COPYRIGHT AND PATENT IS FEDERAL LAW ONLY"

I love how they're like, "make no assumptions!"

"lol u missed a question because you made no assumption"

[Easy-E]

I'm sure this one is on me for just being dumb. From the second set of civpro PQs.

[+] Spoiler

A production company brought a copyright infringement action against a competitor in federal district court. The production company and the competitor were incorporated and had their principal places of business in State A. In its complaint, the production company alleged that the competitor’s distribution of its protected work resulted in $50,000 in damages. The competitor denied the production company’s claims and stated a counterclaim for $30,000 in its answer. The competitor also included an explicit statement its answer that it consented to the jurisdiction of the district court.


I guess I'm supposed to know copyright law is federal only? Whoops.

I missed that question too. I put in my notes "ASSUME COPYRIGHT AND PATENT IS FEDERAL LAW ONLY"

I love how they're like, "make no assumptions!"

"lol u missed a question because you made no assumption"

Exactly. I guess it's just one of those "learn it from the PQs" but why not just mentioned "hey when you see copyright, it's a federal issue" as an exam tip, rather than pulling one these on us:

[ndp1234]

I'm sure this one is on me for just being dumb. From the second set of civpro PQs.

[+] Spoiler

A production company brought a copyright infringement action against a competitor in federal district court. The production company and the competitor were incorporated and had their principal places of business in State A. In its complaint, the production company alleged that the competitor’s distribution of its protected work resulted in $50,000 in damages. The competitor denied the production company’s claims and stated a counterclaim for $30,000 in its answer. The competitor also included an explicit statement its answer that it consented to the jurisdiction of the district court.


I guess I'm supposed to know copyright law is federal only? Whoops.

I missed that question too. I put in my notes "ASSUME COPYRIGHT AND PATENT IS FEDERAL LAW ONLY"

I love how they're like, "make no assumptions!"

"lol u missed a question because you made no assumption"

Exactly. I guess it's just one of those "learn it from the PQs" but why not just mentioned "hey when you see copyright, it's a federal issue" as an exam tip, rather than pulling one these on us:

Just missed some points on a practice corporations essay too about time limits and a contradictory statement of what's needed on notice,

[Sheeit]

I'm sure this one is on me for just being dumb. From the second set of civpro PQs.

[+] Spoiler

A production company brought a copyright infringement action against a competitor in federal district court. The production company and the competitor were incorporated and had their principal places of business in State A. In its complaint, the production company alleged that the competitor’s distribution of its protected work resulted in $50,000 in damages. The competitor denied the production company’s claims and stated a counterclaim for $30,000 in its answer. The competitor also included an explicit statement its answer that it consented to the jurisdiction of the district court.


I guess I'm supposed to know copyright law is federal only? Whoops.

I missed that question too. I put in my notes "ASSUME COPYRIGHT AND PATENT IS FEDERAL LAW ONLY"

I love how they're like, "make no assumptions!"

"lol u missed a question because you made no assumption"

Exactly. I guess it's just one of those "learn it from the PQs" but why not just mentioned "hey when you see copyright, it's a federal issue" as an exam tip, rather than pulling one these on us:

Just missed some points on a practice corporations essay too about time limits and a contradictory statement of what's needed on notice,

I thought that was just me.

[+] Spoiler

I thought the notice was the whole "not sooner than 10 but not longer than 60 day" bullshit until I realized that that only applied to shareholders. I dont remember the lecture telling us that directors only require 2 days notice, and that a notice for a special meeting doesnt need to include the purpose of the meeting.

[just_me]

I've spent more time with William Birdthistle in the past two days than with any other human being. Grim. It's hard to know whose hair is more askew at this point, mine or his.

[ndp1234]

I'm sure this one is on me for just being dumb. From the second set of civpro PQs.

[+] Spoiler

A production company brought a copyright infringement action against a competitor in federal district court. The production company and the competitor were incorporated and had their principal places of business in State A. In its complaint, the production company alleged that the competitor’s distribution of its protected work resulted in $50,000 in damages. The competitor denied the production company’s claims and stated a counterclaim for $30,000 in its answer. The competitor also included an explicit statement its answer that it consented to the jurisdiction of the district court.


I guess I'm supposed to know copyright law is federal only? Whoops.

I missed that question too. I put in my notes "ASSUME COPYRIGHT AND PATENT IS FEDERAL LAW ONLY"

I love how they're like, "make no assumptions!"

"lol u missed a question because you made no assumption"

Exactly. I guess it's just one of those "learn it from the PQs" but why not just mentioned "hey when you see copyright, it's a federal issue" as an exam tip, rather than pulling one these on us:

Just missed some points on a practice corporations essay too about time limits and a contradictory statement of what's needed on notice,

I thought that was just me.

[+] Spoiler

I thought the notice was the whole "not sooner than 10 but not longer than 60 day" bullshit until I realized that that only applied to shareholders. I dont remember the lecture telling us that directors only require 2 days notice, and that a notice for a special meeting doesnt need to include the purpose of the meeting.

Yeah, I went back to the handout to check and it definitely said:

[+] Spoiler

that special meetings required the purpose on there. I specifically remembered that rule because I made a mental note that it made sense because people have to know why they're convening for some unscheduled meeting. Then the 2 days notice thing was not even in the long outline. I think I even made a mental note about that because I figured that you never really know when a special meeting needs to be called to provide enough notice. That whole question was just frustrating.

I emailed them about the discrepancy of notice

[ultimolugar]

I've spent more time with William Birdthistle in the past two days than with any other human being. Grim. It's hard to know whose hair is more askew at this point, mine or his.

I lol'd.

[Rlabo]

just fucked up a property practice essay so bad. Didn't connect the dots to an issue at the outset and screwed up the entire analysis.

[NoLongerALurker]

I'm sure this one is on me for just being dumb. From the second set of civpro PQs.

[+] Spoiler

A production company brought a copyright infringement action against a competitor in federal district court. The production company and the competitor were incorporated and had their principal places of business in State A. In its complaint, the production company alleged that the competitor’s distribution of its protected work resulted in $50,000 in damages. The competitor denied the production company’s claims and stated a counterclaim for $30,000 in its answer. The competitor also included an explicit statement its answer that it consented to the jurisdiction of the district court.


I guess I'm supposed to know copyright law is federal only? Whoops.

I missed that question too. I put in my notes "ASSUME COPYRIGHT AND PATENT IS FEDERAL LAW ONLY"

I love how they're like, "make no assumptions!"

"lol u missed a question because you made no assumption"

Exactly. I guess it's just one of those "learn it from the PQs" but why not just mentioned "hey when you see copyright, it's a federal issue" as an exam tip, rather than pulling one these on us:

Page 2 of outline:
"State and federal courts have concurrent jurisdiction of federal question claims, except when Congress expressly provides that the jurisdiction of the federal courts is exclusive, as it has with cases under the '34 Act, patent, trademark, and copyright cases, and bankruptcy proceedings"

Still, wouldn't hurt to mention it casually in lecture.

[Vantwins]

MD civ pro lecturer keeps saying "as you know..." i.e. "as you know, a summons must be served within 60 days..."

Nope, didn't know that, that's why I'm watching your lecture at 10pm.

[ChocolateTruffle]

I'm sure this one is on me for just being dumb. From the second set of civpro PQs.

[+] Spoiler

A production company brought a copyright infringement action against a competitor in federal district court. The production company and the competitor were incorporated and had their principal places of business in State A. In its complaint, the production company alleged that the competitor’s distribution of its protected work resulted in $50,000 in damages. The competitor denied the production company’s claims and stated a counterclaim for $30,000 in its answer. The competitor also included an explicit statement its answer that it consented to the jurisdiction of the district court.


I guess I'm supposed to know copyright law is federal only? Whoops.

I missed that question too. I put in my notes "ASSUME COPYRIGHT AND PATENT IS FEDERAL LAW ONLY"

I love how they're like, "make no assumptions!"

"lol u missed a question because you made no assumption"

Exactly. I guess it's just one of those "learn it from the PQs" but why not just mentioned "hey when you see copyright, it's a federal issue" as an exam tip, rather than pulling one these on us:

Just missed some points on a practice corporations essay too about time limits and a contradictory statement of what's needed on notice,

I thought that was just me.

[+] Spoiler

I thought the notice was the whole "not sooner than 10 but not longer than 60 day" bullshit until I realized that that only applied to shareholders. I dont remember the lecture telling us that directors only require 2 days notice, and that a notice for a special meeting doesnt need to include the purpose of the meeting.

Yeah, I went back to the handout to check and it definitely said:

[+] Spoiler

that special meetings required the purpose on there. I specifically remembered that rule because I made a mental note that it made sense because people have to know why they're convening for some unscheduled meeting. Then the 2 days notice thing was not even in the long outline. I think I even made a mental note about that because I figured that you never really know when a special meeting needs to be called to provide enough notice. That whole question was just frustrating.

I emailed them about the discrepancy of notice

Could you please tell us what they say in their response? I'm glad it wasn't just me who was confused about the 2 day notice!

[ndp1234]

I'm sure this one is on me for just being dumb. From the second set of civpro PQs.

[+] Spoiler

A production company brought a copyright infringement action against a competitor in federal district court. The production company and the competitor were incorporated and had their principal places of business in State A. In its complaint, the production company alleged that the competitor’s distribution of its protected work resulted in $50,000 in damages. The competitor denied the production company’s claims and stated a counterclaim for $30,000 in its answer. The competitor also included an explicit statement its answer that it consented to the jurisdiction of the district court.


I guess I'm supposed to know copyright law is federal only? Whoops.

I missed that question too. I put in my notes "ASSUME COPYRIGHT AND PATENT IS FEDERAL LAW ONLY"

I love how they're like, "make no assumptions!"

"lol u missed a question because you made no assumption"

Exactly. I guess it's just one of those "learn it from the PQs" but why not just mentioned "hey when you see copyright, it's a federal issue" as an exam tip, rather than pulling one these on us:

Just missed some points on a practice corporations essay too about time limits and a contradictory statement of what's needed on notice,

I thought that was just me.

[+] Spoiler

I thought the notice was the whole "not sooner than 10 but not longer than 60 day" bullshit until I realized that that only applied to shareholders. I dont remember the lecture telling us that directors only require 2 days notice, and that a notice for a special meeting doesnt need to include the purpose of the meeting.

Yeah, I went back to the handout to check and it definitely said:

[+] Spoiler

that special meetings required the purpose on there. I specifically remembered that rule because I made a mental note that it made sense because people have to know why they're convening for some unscheduled meeting. Then the 2 days notice thing was not even in the long outline. I think I even made a mental note about that because I figured that you never really know when a special meeting needs to be called to provide enough notice. That whole question was just frustrating.

I emailed them about the discrepancy of notice

Could you please tell us what they say in their response? I'm glad it wasn't just me who was confused about the 2 day notice!

Yes - of course. I only asked them about the purpose being required for special notice. I didn't find anything contrary to 2 day notice, so I didn't specifically ask about that.

[Rahviveh]

I really need a good family law outline

[unidentifiable]

Interesting thing I saw in the explanation of an MBE property question (#1629):

"The foregoing NCBE MBE question has been modified to reflect current NCBE stylistic approaches; the NCBE has not reviewed or endorsed this modification."

I thought it was weird....

[Vantwins]

Has anyone tried doing MBE practice questions while on the treadmill (probably at a brisk walk, not running!)? I'm getting so sick of sitting all day. And losing fit bit challenges to my 10 year olds.

[bobbypin]

I came to the realization yesterday that I am not going to pass the bar. I'm not proficient in enough of the MBE subjects to carry myself over my poor writing ability. What cemented it for me was the most recent crim law PQ session. I missed more questions than I got right. I just can't seem to get those questions right. It's particularly frustrating because I have been practicing criminal law professionally for the past 2 years (clinics/externships). My purpose for posting this is to get it out of my head, somewhere fairly anonymous, so I can get back to studying 15 hours a day, and hopefully squeak-by with one point above passing.

[Vantwins]

I came to the realization yesterday that I am not going to pass the bar. I'm not proficient in enough of the MBE subjects to carry myself over my poor writing ability. What cemented it for me was the most recent crim law PQ session. I missed more questions than I got right. I just can't seem to get those questions right. It's particularly frustrating because I have been practicing criminal law professionally for the past 2 years (clinics/externships). My purpose for posting this is to get it out of my head, somewhere fairly anonymous, so I can get back to studying 15 hours a day, and hopefully squeak-by with one point above passing.

Do your best. If you don't pass, look into some private tutoring to really target your issues - it sounds like more of a test taking issue than knowing the material. When I studied for the VA Bar, there were a couple times I just totally lost it crying hysterically, totally overwhelmed and sure that it was hopeless and I'd never digest enough info. I passed on the first try - point being: the self doubt is part of the Bar studying process!

good luck!
Vanessa

[Fivedham]

I came to the realization yesterday that I am not going to pass the bar. I'm not proficient in enough of the MBE subjects to carry myself over my poor writing ability. What cemented it for me was the most recent crim law PQ session. I missed more questions than I got right. I just can't seem to get those questions right. It's particularly frustrating because I have been practicing criminal law professionally for the past 2 years (clinics/externships). My purpose for posting this is to get it out of my head, somewhere fairly anonymous, so I can get back to studying 15 hours a day, and hopefully squeak-by with one point above passing.

Hey man, I get your pain, I'm right there with you. I did three crim law internships in law school, plus a crim clinic, and I'm not killing crim questions either. Just keep drilling on them and you'll improve. I was doing horribly in civ pro questions (~ 30-40% in the first few PQs). I buckled down, re-studied civ pro, and started blazing through civ pro questions in a supplemental program. I'm hitting the high 70s/low 80s now. Improvement can come suddenly if you can grasp concepts and sort of learn the questions. Also, you still have five weeks, that's long enough to improve to get to 60% in every topic. If Michelle Bachmann can do it, so can you.

Completely unrelated, but Geis is back for Advanced Sales, and I'm so happy. I feel like I know contracts again, after like two weeks of completely forgetting.

[NaeDeen]

I came to the realization yesterday that I am not going to pass the bar. I'm not proficient in enough of the MBE subjects to carry myself over my poor writing ability. What cemented it for me was the most recent crim law PQ session. I missed more questions than I got right. I just can't seem to get those questions right. It's particularly frustrating because I have been practicing criminal law professionally for the past 2 years (clinics/externships). My purpose for posting this is to get it out of my head, somewhere fairly anonymous, so I can get back to studying 15 hours a day, and hopefully squeak-by with one point above passing.

You're doing it all wrong--you have to envision that you've already passed the bar. When you're studying, get happy about studying AND passing at the same time. No matter how many questions you get wrong. This is a journey, a process, and you control the outcome. The thing you think about the most has no choice but to come to fruition. And if you're thinking "I failed" or I will fail, that's what's going to happen because it's what you've put out there.

I may sound crazy to you and others, but I rely on the natural laws of the universe. The law of attraction primarily. Everything I've ever wanted I've envisioned and it has come to me. Not because I'm special but because I believe that my thoughts create my reality. SO believe that you've already passed the bar. Work towards it but don't work hard, work smart. And you will pass. If you have to do every crim law q known to man, do them BUT do them because you are conquering them--it's not about right or wrong, it's about progress--do them NOT because you're frustrated and pissed off that you're not getting everything or a majority right AND do it with a smile on your face and love in your heart.

You can do it! You are more powerful than you think.

Here are two videos that explains what I mean--hopefully it doesn't confuse you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfoWkmTVFsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xs-D23rl04

Thank you for your post--I believe but sometimes I need a refresher myself--I am but a mere mortal