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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by jets098 » Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:31 pm

For anybody who is taking NY/NJ-- Do we have to fill out a separate form to get the MBE score transferred to NJ or was that taken care of on the initial application?

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by duckpunchingmaniac » Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:26 pm

jets098 wrote:For anybody who is taking NY/NJ-- Do we have to fill out a separate form to get the MBE score transferred to NJ or was that taken care of on the initial application?
If you're taking the MBE in NY, you need to send the form and a certified check for I believe $50 to the NY BOLE telling them to transfer the score to NJ.

I think you can transfer it for some states on the NCBE website, but not for NY-->NJ. I'm pretty sure.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by Lawst » Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:57 pm

duckpunchingmaniac wrote:
jets098 wrote:For anybody who is taking NY/NJ-- Do we have to fill out a separate form to get the MBE score transferred to NJ or was that taken care of on the initial application?
If you're taking the MBE in NY, you need to send the form and a certified check for I believe $50 to the NY BOLE telling them to transfer the score to NJ.

I think you can transfer it for some states on the NCBE website, but not for NY-->NJ. I'm pretty sure.
I'm really glad someone mentioned this because I completely forgot. I seem to spend a lot of time getting money orders at the post office of late.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by AJS30 » Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:27 pm

Has everyone received their confirmation regarding their handwriting sample/cert of attendance? My school was supposed to take care of it, emailed them last week and they said they know about the deadline and everyones docs would be sent out. I don't think they would screw up and miss the deadline, but starting to get a little nervous.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by northwood » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:09 pm

Are the lean sheets decent or just go with the mnemonics that my babprep company uses?

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by duckpunchingmaniac » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:03 pm

Lawst wrote:
duckpunchingmaniac wrote:
jets098 wrote:For anybody who is taking NY/NJ-- Do we have to fill out a separate form to get the MBE score transferred to NJ or was that taken care of on the initial application?
If you're taking the MBE in NY, you need to send the form and a certified check for I believe $50 to the NY BOLE telling them to transfer the score to NJ.

I think you can transfer it for some states on the NCBE website, but not for NY-->NJ. I'm pretty sure.
I'm really glad someone mentioned this because I completely forgot. I seem to spend a lot of time getting money orders at the post office of late.
Literally just did it today so you're not the only one.

Kind of pissed that they won't take a personal check/don't have an online system through NCBE. Costs money to get a certified check so the fee becomes more like $60.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by nygrrrl » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:20 pm

duckpunchingmaniac wrote:
Lawst wrote:
I'm really glad someone mentioned this because I completely forgot. I seem to spend a lot of time getting money orders at the post office of late.
Literally just did it today so you're not the only one.

Kind of pissed that they won't take a personal check/don't have an online system through NCBE. Costs money to get a certified check so the fee becomes more like $60.
Ugh, I'm really glad BOTH of you mentioned this - guess I need to hit the bank tomorrow for the certified check. Crap.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by Lawst » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:44 pm

nygrrrl wrote:
duckpunchingmaniac wrote:
Lawst wrote:
I'm really glad someone mentioned this because I completely forgot. I seem to spend a lot of time getting money orders at the post office of late.
Literally just did it today so you're not the only one.

Kind of pissed that they won't take a personal check/don't have an online system through NCBE. Costs money to get a certified check so the fee becomes more like $60.
Ugh, I'm really glad BOTH of you mentioned this - guess I need to hit the bank tomorrow for the certified check. Crap.
They'll also take a money order, which you can get at the post office for a little over a dollar.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by duckpunchingmaniac » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:31 pm

Lawst wrote:
nygrrrl wrote:
duckpunchingmaniac wrote:
Lawst wrote:
I'm really glad someone mentioned this because I completely forgot. I seem to spend a lot of time getting money orders at the post office of late.
Literally just did it today so you're not the only one.

Kind of pissed that they won't take a personal check/don't have an online system through NCBE. Costs money to get a certified check so the fee becomes more like $60.
Ugh, I'm really glad BOTH of you mentioned this - guess I need to hit the bank tomorrow for the certified check. Crap.
They'll also take a money order, which you can get at the post office for a little over a dollar.
Citibank > my local post office. It's like it's some federal law that the people behind the counters have to be surly.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by prs362 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:56 pm

Could someone please enlighten me on the pro bono requirement for admission. My understanding is that it is 50 hours. Does this need to be completed by November? I wasn't quite sure from reading the BOLE website.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by northwood » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:57 pm

prs362 wrote:Could someone please enlighten me on the pro bono requirement for admission. My understanding is that it is 50 hours. Does this need to be completed by November? I wasn't quite sure from reading the BOLE website.

its 50 hours. I don't know when it has to be done but it has to be done before you can be admitted.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by prs362 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:15 pm

northwood wrote:
prs362 wrote:Could someone please enlighten me on the pro bono requirement for admission. My understanding is that it is 50 hours. Does this need to be completed by November? I wasn't quite sure from reading the BOLE website.

its 50 hours. I don't know when it has to be done but it has to be done before you can be admitted.
Thanks, I have exactly 0 hours (unless the 30 from my law school count), so looks like I'll have some fun to look forward to in the fall before start date.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by northwood » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:06 pm

prs362 wrote:
northwood wrote:
prs362 wrote:Could someone please enlighten me on the pro bono requirement for admission. My understanding is that it is 50 hours. Does this need to be completed by November? I wasn't quite sure from reading the BOLE website.

its 50 hours. I don't know when it has to be done but it has to be done before you can be admitted.
Thanks, I have exactly 0 hours (unless the 30 from my law school count), so looks like I'll have some fun to look forward to in the fall before start date.

Externship(even if you got credit) and clinic work count. You will need to get those hours signed off by the school- there's a form on the BOLE website I believe.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by ran12 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:48 pm

northwood wrote:
prs362 wrote:
northwood wrote:
prs362 wrote:Could someone please enlighten me on the pro bono requirement for admission. My understanding is that it is 50 hours. Does this need to be completed by November? I wasn't quite sure from reading the BOLE website.

its 50 hours. I don't know when it has to be done but it has to be done before you can be admitted.
Thanks, I have exactly 0 hours (unless the 30 from my law school count), so looks like I'll have some fun to look forward to in the fall before start date.

Externship(even if you got credit) and clinic work count. You will need to get those hours signed off by the school- there's a form on the BOLE website I believe.
If we're getting these pro bono hours through volunteer work after graduation, do we need to get an employment affidavit filled out or should the pro bono affidavit suffice?

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by smokyroom26 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:52 pm

Guys, I am confused about NY criminal law "affirmative defenses."

First things first - does someone have a list of which defenses are affirmative defenses and which are just plain old defenses?

Second - can someone explain to me how making defendant prove an affirmative defense by PPE isn't a violation of the federal Due Process Clause?

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by duckpunchingmaniac » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:11 pm

smokyroom26 wrote:Guys, I am confused about NY criminal law "affirmative defenses."

First things first - does someone have a list of which defenses are affirmative defenses and which are just plain old defenses?

Second - can someone explain to me how making defendant prove an affirmative defense by PPE isn't a violation of the federal Due Process Clause?
As to the second, I think it's because a regular defense negates/tends to disprove the prosecutor's case, and they are required to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. An affirmative defense generally requires the proof of additional facts. Seems reasonable to require you to prove additional facts that you want to provide.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by sarahh » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:14 pm

smokyroom26 wrote:Guys, I am confused about NY criminal law "affirmative defenses."

First things first - does someone have a list of which defenses are affirmative defenses and which are just plain old defenses?

Second - can someone explain to me how making defendant prove an affirmative defense by PPE isn't a violation of the federal Due Process Clause?
I wish I had a list. It seems like pretty much everything is an affirmative defense. Self-defense is the only regular defense I could find.

I think that there is only a due process concern when the defense is the reverse of an element of a crime. For example, if malice is an element of murder, then requiring the defendant to prove there was no malice as an affirmative defense violates the due process clause. But if a murder requires intention, then an affirmative defense of extreme emotional disturbance does not violate the due process clause because a murder can be done intentionally but still done under EED. The prosecution has to prove intention beyond a reasonable doubt and the defendant has to prove EED by a preponderance of the evidence.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by smokyroom26 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:20 pm

sarahh wrote:I think that there is only a due process concern when the defense is the reverse of an element of a crime.
duckpunchingmaniac wrote:As to the second, I think it's because a regular defense negates/tends to disprove the prosecutor's case, and they are required to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. An affirmative defense generally requires the proof of additional facts. Seems reasonable to require you to prove additional facts that you want to provide.
Thanks, ya'll. This is very helpful. And it's probably also why there's no list of which defenses are which in the materials - it's easy to tell which are which. E.g., defendant raises "she consented" to a charge of rape, and since consent is an element, defendant has there raised a regular old defense.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by PepperJack » Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:11 pm

Can anyone in NYC tutor LSAT while studying for the bar?

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by JenDarby » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:45 pm

According to Kaplan -

"Other defenses" that are not affirmative defense are those where the defendant attempts to negate an allegation rather than establish a positive fact. These include (but are not limited to) infancy, justification and the defense of mistaken belief founded upon an official statement of law.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by smokyroom26 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:54 pm

PepperJack wrote:Can anyone in NYC tutor LSAT while studying for the bar?
Sure, dude, we've got oodles of free time.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by JenDarby » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:41 pm

NY Civil Practice is wildly boring.

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by duckpunchingmaniac » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:05 am

JenDarby wrote:NY Civil Practice is wildly boring.
But nail and mail sounds so dirty...

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by northwood » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:31 pm

JenDarby wrote:NY Civil Practice is wildly boring.

I actually find it more interesting than Con Law

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Re: July 2014 New York Bar Exam

Post by kapital98 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:49 pm

My BOLE certification approval came in my email today. I was afraid there might be a problem because I missed the deadline by a week due to studying abroad. Fortunately, they were very accommodating to my circumstances.

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