Penn Students Taking Questions Forum

[ymmv]

Any differences between Veasey or Reich for Professional Responsibility? Either one less work/hassle than the other?

oh my god definitely Reich. don't show up for any classes, take a day and a half to memorize the outline that will inevitably get shared around, get a solid grade

Damn, I pre-registered for the wrong one then. Hopefully there's enough room come drop-add to swap over into Reich.

[B.B. Homemaker]

Is civil practice clinic really as much work as they say?

Also, is the entrepreneurship clinic as chill as they say?

[PennBull]

Is civil practice clinic really as much work as they say?

Also, is the entrepreneurship clinic as chill as they say?

yes; i don't know

[Nelson]

CPC is awesome though.

[B.B. Homemaker]

CPC is awesome though.

And full, somewhat surprisingly (looking at past advance registration results, anyway.)

[PennBull]

CPC is awesome though.

And full, somewhat surprisingly (looking at past advance registration results, anyway.)

I mean, it's a fantastic experience for those looking to do litigation. I was just answering your question haha

[meinmark]

Hi,

Thanks for the helpful advice in this thread.

I have a 164/3.90. I am an international student, and graduated from University of Illinois this May. I am now interning in a big law firm in China. I have taken LSAT for three times and 164 is my highest one. Since I've taken three times, I am afraid that I could not retake the LSAT recently. Besides the personal statement and a diversity statement, I have two recommendation letters from my professors, and none from employers of previous internships.

I have applied for Penn Law for Early Decision Round I with three optional essays explaining how I can contribute to the Penn Law community and Why Penn Law. I have also applied to many other schools for Regular Decision. I was accepted by William and Mary several days ago with 33k scholarship. However, I am really eagering to get into a T14, and wondering how the ED would help me enhance the possiblity to get into UPenn, if any? I am also applying to other T14s, what are your suggestion on my application to those schools? How can I improve my softs? Which schools you think I might have more chance to get in? Maybe I should get another letter from my previous employers? If so, can I add the new letter to the completed application of the schools I've already applied?

Thanks for any advice!

[B.B. Homemaker]

Your LSAT will most likely be a problem.

[wildcatatpenn]

Your LSAT will most likely be a problem.

Idk about international bros but there are a lot of people here with similar stats, maybe ED. Plus I think admission standards are getting easier every year

Tbh the kids in the admission forum can probably guess your chances better than us. Once you're in and attending no one pays attention to that kinda shit

[B.B. Homemaker]

Idk about international bros but there are a lot of people here with similar stats, maybe ED. Plus I think admission standards are getting easier every year

Apps are down, especially among the highest LSAT-scorers, so yeah, that's working in the poster's favor here. It does change from year to year.

[r6_philly]

ED with some solid Penn connections will help you. Can't speak to how much the LSAT level has stopped but that's likely still a big issue.

[yogi1467]

Did anyone have Sullivan for prof resp? Thoughts?

[Clearly]

Talk to me about Roosevelt...

[PennBull]

Talk to me about Roosevelt...

cop the magic outline; buy into his theoretical bullshit

[Hopefully2012]

Talk to me about Roosevelt...

I found reading his book about judicial activism to be helpful to spin policy arguments into the exam.

[PennBull]

Talk to me about Roosevelt...

I found reading his book about judicial activism to be helpful to spin policy arguments into the exam.

Considering it's a 24 hour exam, you could not read the book and just flip to the relevant section during the test

[Hopefully2012]

^You certainly could have, but it's a quick read and gives good broad perspective of Roosevelt's view of the role of the court. I found it helpful because it isn't different from what he covers in class (for review purposes) and gave me a better understanding of what his socratic questions were trying to get at.

[Clearly]

Talk to me about Roosevelt...

cop the magic outline; buy into his theoretical bullshit

Got it, so it's law school generally.

[PennBull]

^You certainly could have, but it's a quick read and gives good broad perspective of Roosevelt's view of the role of the court. I found it helpful because it isn't different from what he covers in class (for review purposes) and gave me a better understanding of what his socratic questions were trying to get at.

Good thing his socratic questions count for somewhere between zero and zero percent of your final grade

[UCLABruins2015]

Hi! How is Penn's judicial clerkship placement to the COA 9th circuit? I've been trying to find info on it online, but I couldn't. As students, how does/did the CP&P help you with clerkships, and even biglaw placement if you were looking to go out West (California)? Thanks!

[Hopefully2012]

Hi! How is Penn's judicial clerkship placement to the COA 9th circuit? I've been trying to find info on it online, but I couldn't. As students, how does/did the CP&P help you with clerkships, and even biglaw placement if you were looking to go out West (California)? Thanks!

I'm not applying to clerkships so I'll defer to someone else on our 9th circuit clerkship placement. Asking CP&P directly for the numbers might be helpful. Anecdotally, it doesn't seem like a ton of my west coast friends are interested in clerking, including those who would be extremely competitive (read: on law review and/or have top 10-15% grades) so self-selection might play a role on the numbers. I know there's at least a couple 1Ls every year who end up with 9th circuit summer internships, obviously different from clerkship selection.

As far as West Coast big law is concerned, Penn has a huge advantage over our peers in that CP&P sets up a week of regional interviews during late-July and first week of August in CA before OCI. (Regionals is when you can schedule screeners at the firm's offices, as opposed to on-campus in Philly, but firms still can't preselect you.)

When I did regionals, I was the first interviewee a lot of attorneys had spoken to during the cycle. For the past two recruiting cycles, we have had screeners at the offices of almost all the top firms in CA when they still had all their SA spots available because none of the California schools had had their OCIs yet. (Examples of firms on the schedules were: lit boutiques like Munger Tolles/Irell; traditionally West Coast full service firms like Gibson Dunn/Wilson Sonsini/MoFo; V10 satellites like Skadden/SullCrom/Simpson/Kirkland; and other top nationally recognized law firms. Penn students received CA offers from just about every firm I listed.)

I did, however, get some push back from the smaller West Coast firms. Specifically, Nossaman and Snell & Wilmer pushed me a little more on why I would want to work for them when I'd probably get offers from bigger New York firms. Someone applying from a CA school probably wouldn't have that hurdle with those firms. Although my experience may be biased by the fact that people don't advertise their misfortunes, everyone I know who wanted to be on the West Coast this year and had decent grades had firm options on the West Coast but, as always, nothing is guaranteed. Feel free to PM me if you have any more specific questions about Penn's West Coast placement.

[B.B. Homemaker]

magic outline

Well shit.

[PennBull]

magic outline

Well shit.

You did it differently?

[B.B. Homemaker]

magic outline

Well shit.

You did it differently?

I don't think any of mine were magic.

I did fine, though,

[middlebear]

Hi all. How is Penn/career services support for those not wanting to go the Big Law route? Specifically, I'd really like to work in fed gov after law school, but I'm a bit afraid of what look like low placement percentages for government work coming out of Penn. (On the other hand, TolLRAP looks like it might be more flexible than the LRAPs at some other schools.)

Thanks for any input.