How would one address this with c and f Forum

[lawschoolsplit2023]

In my 30s and plan on matriculating in law school fall 2026 and graduating in 2029. I have a spotless record of no felonies misdemeanors or traffic. Therefore thought I’d be good shape for c and f. I moved from a Midwest state to nyc in the fall after completing probate for both parents who passed in 2020 and get away from some distant toxic relatives.

In early may I was having a bad day and saw a few friends of these toxic relatives in nyc and gave them some angry looks (no words said). Two weeks later on usps informed delivery email see an envelope looked official was to be sent to my old address with tape over the sender in photo image. It was odd for 9 mos I’ve never seen anything on usps informed delivery sent to that address until 2 weeks after that encounter, so not sure if it’s a civil p order or what , or a summons sent if a serving processor couldn’t reach me only having last out of state address I lived.

It doesn’t seem far fetched over a cpo for mad looks, bc they sorta would have an axe to grind bc they told lies of me in the past and my former boss an attorney spoke to them about defamation if they continued.

That was 30 days ago and never received it nor certified mail in nyc.

Lawyers I’ve contacted even told me they couldn’t check for me because some civil p orders aren’t on dockets until someone is served. If I’m not served it will just expire eventually.

I’m worried though for c and f what if by time I take bar 5 years from now, what do I indicate on c and f? That I had a feeling there could be a summons or protection order but I was never served?

For sealed indictments (again neg looks could never be a felony unless someone filed false p report) or for an expired cpo never served can c and f find out? Or likely not if criminal attorneys I’ve contacted even told me that police can’t even tell them if there is something one has to wait to be served for? How will I address this 5 years from now if never receive anything in nyc?

[nixy]

Stop. Doing. This. To. Yourself.

C&F doesn’t care about a letter that you never receive. You answer the questions that are asked, based on your knowledge. You don’t currently know anything. Instead, you are speculating wildly because the letter “looked official.” Despite the fact that you couldn’t even see the sender. (Hint: official senders don’t put tape over their return address.)

C&F doesn’t remotely care about your “feeling” that it “could be” a summons or protective order. C&F cares about what you actually know has happened.

Your “feeling” is non-responsive to any question on a bar application. Frankly, if you try to answer a question about arrests or involvements in legal proceedings by saying that 5 years previously you saw a letter that looked official and you felt like it could be a summons or cpo but you never received anything, the bar is going to be concerned about your mental health, because you will look paranoid.

I mean this respectfully, because I don’t know your life and I can’t say you don’t know some shitty people who would try to mess up your life. But I would strongly suggest therapy. The kind of perseverating that shows up in your posts seems excessive.

[lawschoolsplit2023]

Thanks for your reply. I really appreciate it.

When C and F does background checks for criminal history (which I have none) do they get info from court dockets, access same info a private investigator would or have special privy to nics police database?

I ask because in above post I was worried If letter could have been a cpo sent to old address and I had a background check and hired a private investigator who gave me a clear report for both.

However, not all court orders are accessible or online until served. The police would have knowledge of it, but no one else. So if I get my rap sheet and it’s also clear and periodically get updates should that be all character and fitness goes by? Not them getting privy if something hypothetically is in police system, not available to anyone else’s knowledge?

[nixy]

Thanks for your reply. I really appreciate it.

When C and F does background checks for criminal history (which I have none) do they get info from court dockets, access same info a private investigator would or have special privy to nics police database?

I ask because in above post I was worried If letter could have been a cpo sent to old address and I had a background check and hired a private investigator who gave me a clear report for both.

However, not all court orders are accessible or online until served. The police would have knowledge of it, but no one else. So if I get my rap sheet and it’s also clear and periodically get updates should that be all character and fitness goes by? Not them getting privy if something hypothetically is in police system, not available to anyone else’s knowledge?

Do not worry about some hypothetical summons or restraining order unless/until someone shows up at your door to serve you with it. C&F is about you disclosing what you know. If you don’t know that something exists, you can’t disclose it. If something isn’t public on a docket, it’s not getting disclosed to C&F.

[lawschoolsplit2023]

Appreciate greatly your reply. I really do.

While, I still have felt uneasy and wary since may 18, I just have hopefully a last couple inquiries regarding this before I can rest easy, if you wouldn’t mind :

1). I understand if something isn’t public record one can’t disclose it to c and f or know about its existence.

However, that still doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist outside of public record. I was informed not all restraining orders show on the court dockets, nor do secret warrants (which the latter I highly doubt). So given both of these entities one can’t know about but potentially exist, when C and F digs for ones criminal background, is it not a deep one like if someone is going into law enforcement, but only done accessing what fbi has or public record requests?

2). If I do get printed and obtain a fbi rap sheet and it’s clear, is that the extend c and f can see, and they won’t contact law enforcement if a restraining order or warrant isn’t public record as never served. If criminal attorneys can always be told of these by law enforcement I wouldn’t think even c and f would have privy either

[nixy]

Arrest warrants are regularly sealed (not made public) because that often defeats the purpose - if you’re trying to arrest someone, advertising that fact is a good way to make it harder to find them. C&F has no special access to any of this kind of stuff. Nor is C&F going to contact random police departments to find out if there’s anything pending against you, even if the police departments would tell them. If you have a clean rap sheet, that will be sufficient.

You have absolutely nothing to address with C&F. A letter from an unknown source that you never received is not evidence that you have any C&F problems.