How to get into HLS? Forum

basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:24 am

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pittsburghpirates · Post by **pittsburghpirates** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:07 am

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totesTheGoat · Post by **totesTheGoat** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:17 pm

pittsburghpirates wrote:You should go to college at the best school you can get into and that makes sense financially. Period.

EnderWiggin · Post by **EnderWiggin** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:22 pm

JDJohnP21 wrote:I've heard that HSC has an environment similar that of a private country club (that's a huge plus for me.)

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totesTheGoat · Post by **totesTheGoat** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:31 pm

JDJohnP21 wrote:landshoes
I've said it once, and I'll say it again. I'm NOT Evangelical. I'm a conservative High Anglican. PHC is very diverse when it comes to denominations (they've got Anglicans, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox etc) It's not just Evangelicals. I'm saddened by the comments on TLS about conservatives. Not supporting sodomy or abortion does not make me a bigot. A bigot is someone who HATES gays(Westbro Baptist Church) Liberals claim to be open-minded, but if you don't agree with them you are automatically a bigot. Everything is subjective to Liberals. There is no truth. Relativism has destroyed our colleges, and our culture. Also, it's funny that you guys attack PHC for not being "intellectually diverse", and having a motto of "For Christ and For Liberty" Well Reed College's motto is "Communism, Atheism, and Free Love" Does that sound diverse to you? Are you willing to apply the same standard to Reed as you do to PHC? Like i've said, PHC is not my only option. I will be visiting Hampden-Sydney next week. I'm really looking forward to it for several reasons.
1. I've heard that HSC has an environment similar that of a private country club (that's a huge plus for me.) It's all-male, southern, preppy and has good Greek Life
2. HSC has been rated as one of the most conservative schools in America by the Princeton Review.
3. HSC has a very solid reputation in the South(they have a huge alumni network in Richmond and Atlanta)
4. HSC has small classes (average class size in 15)
Ultimately, I think my choice will come down to PHC, HSC, and Hillsdale. I am NOT going to attend a school where they teach relativism.

I'm not sure why I'm responding given that I'm probably talking to a brick wall, but what the heck. What I'm hearing (as somebody 10 years older than you, who was conservative in high school) is "I have certain ideas about how the world works, and I don't want to be surrounded by the caricatures of college that my ideology tells me exist."

Trust me when I say that you're limiting yourself from good opportunities in the name of insulating yourself from "relativism." There are tons of opportunities (both political and non-political) that exist at your local top-50 public college that don't exist in any way, shape, or form at PHC, HSC, or Hillsdale. Metaphorically sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "la la la" by going to an insular school in no way prepares you for the "real world," which comprises people who are relativistic and largely amoral. Although I don't buy landshoes' "bigot until proven innocent" schtick, s/he's not that far off. You're going to come out of UG naive, untempered, and ideologically unsophisticated.

JDJohnP21 · Post by **JDJohnP21** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:00 pm

TolesTheGoat
I am not going to a public university. The 3 secular schools I like are Trinity (CT) Gettysburg(PA) and GW. What the heck does "intellectually unsophisticated" mean? People who speak of " sophistication" are usually Liberals who think they are superior for being "open-minded". These are the same people who attack the founding fathers because "they held slaves" and spread dumb ideas like "white privilege" This is foolery not intellectualism. Look up Ben Shapiro. He is young, conservative, and extremely intellectual. Are you saying that people like Jonathan Edwards( my role model), James Madison, and Patrick Henry were not "sophisticated"

basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:07 pm

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Dcc617 · Post by **Dcc617** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:09 pm

Dcc617 wrote: Don't take this personally kid, but it seems like you're still young enough that you know everything and nobody will be able to convince you otherwise. Good luck learning some hard lessons over the next few years.

Minnietron · Post by **Minnietron** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:16 pm

basedvulpes wrote:I really need to stop looking at this thread but the lols are too good

+1
I don't even care that "he" is a troll. "He" puts in the effort to stay in character. I respect that. Plus, "he" is Filling the Void left by the Colbert Show.

PeanutsNJam · Post by **PeanutsNJam** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:19 pm

I really hope you say white privilege is dumb on your HLS application. Maybe even write your PS about how Affirmative Action is anti-American.

pittsburghpirates · Post by **pittsburghpirates** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:26 pm

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aoutis · Post by **aoutis** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:15 am

JDJohnP21 wrote: Look up Ben Shapiro. He is young, conservative, and extremely intellectual. Are you saying that people like Jonathan Edwards( my role model), James Madison, and Patrick Henry were not "sophisticated"

These men, whom you've called heroes, did exactly the opposite of what you say you want to do. Ted Cruz went to Princeton and HLS. Ben Shapiro went to UCLA and HLS. They went into the "lion's den" and learned how the "other side" thinks and how best to construct arguments in favor of their positions. That's a completely different proposition from insulating yourself from ever interacting with someone, who might disagree with you. These colleges may be great for you. But they will make it harder for you to interact with someone, whose ideas differ from yours. And that lack of interaction will make it harder for you to gain the tools you need to thrive in whichever law school you attend.

JDJohnP21 · Post by **JDJohnP21** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:15 am

I would definitely chose Williams or Amherst over PHC. The issue is I'm not a 4.0 guy. I'm a solid B student. Here's what I'm looking for in a UG.
1. Small- I want a small school with small classes.
2. Strong Politics/Economics program.
3. Conservative/Moderate- I would be fine attending a moderate school. I don't want some far-left socialist school. ( like Reed)
4. Academic- I want to attend a school where people are passionate about academics.
5. Preppy
6. Suburban/Rural campus- I don't want to go to school in the city.
I will have a 3.5 Unweighed GPA and around a 29 ACT score. Any suggestions?

totesTheGoat · Post by **totesTheGoat** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:44 am

JDJohnP21 wrote:TolesTheGoat
I am not going to a public university. The 3 secular schools I like are Trinity (CT) Gettysburg(PA) and GW. What the heck does "intellectually unsophisticated" mean? People who speak of " sophistication" are usually Liberals who think they are superior for being "open-minded".

It means you can't friggin argue because you've spent too much time in a flippin echo chamber, and don't know what motivates your ideological opponents. (Happens to all sides of the spectrum)

These are the same people who attack the founding fathers because "they held slaves" and spread dumb ideas like "white privilege" This is foolery not intellectualism. Look up Ben Shapiro. He is young, conservative, and extremely intellectual. Are you saying that people like Jonathan Edwards( my role model), James Madison, and Patrick Henry were not "sophisticated"

This is exactly what I mean. Ben Shapiro spends a significant amount of his time immersing himself in his ideological opponents' arguments to be able to argue against them effectively. Same with Jonathan Edwards, James Madison, and Patrick Henry.

I'm not just talking about a head-knowledge of the opposition. I mean sitting down at the dinner table and observing them. Understanding why they think what they think. What are their fears? What are their motivators? What are their principles (or lack thereof)? Ideological unsophistication occurs when you're arguing against poorly assembled strawmen of your opposition rather than actually sparring with the real thing.

EDIT: also, what aoutis said.

totesTheGoat · Post by **totesTheGoat** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:04 am

JDJohnP21 wrote:I would definitely chose Williams or Amherst over PHC. The issue is I'm not a 4.0 guy. I'm a solid B student. Here's what I'm looking for in a UG.
1. Small- I want a small school with small classes.
2. Strong Politics/Economics program.
3. Conservative/Moderate- I would be fine attending a moderate school. I don't want some far-left socialist school. ( like Reed)
4. Academic- I want to attend a school where people are passionate about academics.
5. Preppy
6. Suburban/Rural campus- I don't want to go to school in the city.
I will have a 3.5 Unweighed GPA and around a 29 ACT score. Any suggestions?

First off, a 3.5 doesn't exclude you from a ton of schools, especially if you have good extracurriculars on the resume. Retake the ACT and try to get to at least 30 (it's a psychological barrier for admissions).

Regarding 4 - Every (decent) school has folks passionate about academics. Every school has slackers. It's more about who you befriend than about finding some school where everybody is super srs about school.

Regarding 5 - Every school has bros in polos. However, there's generally an inverse correlation between 4 and 5. Most of the bros don't take their academics super serious.

Without knowing a ton about most of these universities (and recognizing that none of them probably meet all 6 of your factors 100%), here's a list of schools that may be worth a look. Some are in the mid-Atlantic like you prefer. Some aren't.

William and Mary
Southern Methodist
Wake Forest
Davidson College
DePauw University
George Mason
Elon
Richmond

Ideally, you would take a list like this and do a short pro/con chart on each school, using your 6 factors and any other ones that come up while you're doing research. Then, you would rank them from best to worst fit. Then, you would take your best 3 and look for similar schools. If you do 2 or 3 cycles of that, you'll have a list of 10 or 12 good fit schools that you can focus on.

JDJohnP21 · Post by **JDJohnP21** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:09 am

What about Sewanee?

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:11 am

JDJohnP21 wrote:I would definitely chose Williams or Amherst over PHC. The issue is I'm not a 4.0 guy. I'm a solid B student. Here's what I'm looking for in a UG.
1. Small- I want a small school with small classes.
2. Strong Politics/Economics program.
3. Conservative/Moderate- I would be fine attending a moderate school. I don't want some far-left socialist school. ( like Reed)
4. Academic- I want to attend a school where people are passionate about academics.
5. Preppy
6. Suburban/Rural campus- I don't want to go to school in the city.
I will have a 3.5 Unweighed GPA and around a 29 ACT score. Any suggestions?

I think Trinity, Gettysburg, GW, and HSC are all perfectly fine (though I don't think GW is going to give you the suburban/rural thing). I actually suspect you'd like Sewanee a lot - small, very rural, very pretty, preppy, and I think fairly academics-focused.

I think, too, part of what you're running into is that you're immersed in the college decision/application thing, whereas most people here are done with that already (some of them long ago). The law school application process is usually a lot more utilitarian than for college - some people approach them the same, but to the extent they do, the focus is going to be on cost and job prospects, not specific fit/culture, which a lot of people worry about a lot for undergrad. So you're kind of in a different head space than most people here, and the fact that you want to go to law school after doesn't really change that, since you can go to law school from every single undergrad in the country. You might find more helpful advice about where to apply to college somewhere like College Confidential, because for the purpose of law school, it really doesn't matter where you go, as much as what GPA you get while you're there.

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:30 am

Don't waste money on average private schools when VA has good public schools

gnomgnomuch · Post by **gnomgnomuch** » Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:32 am

JDJohnP21 wrote:TolesTheGoat
I am not going to a public university. The 3 secular schools I like are Trinity (CT) Gettysburg(PA) and GW. What the heck does "intellectually unsophisticated" mean? People who speak of " sophistication" are usually Liberals who think they are superior for being "open-minded". These are the same people who attack the founding fathers because "they held slaves" and spread dumb ideas like "white privilege" This is foolery not intellectualism. Look up Ben Shapiro. He is young, conservative, and extremely intellectual. Are you saying that people like Jonathan Edwards( my role model), James Madison, and Patrick Henry were not "sophisticated"

I love this thread, I really really do.

OP is saying he's not going to a liberal school, all his heroes attended liberal as fuck schools. Also, Jesus was black, Ronald Reagan was the devil and the government is lying about 9/11. Thank you for your time and good night.

JDJohnP21 · Post by **JDJohnP21** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:04 am

gnomgnomuch
Please stop posting. People like you are the reason why I am hesitant to go to a secular school. I'm afraid people will automatically assume things about me because I'm a conservative Christian. From a Liberals prospective, if you don't totally embrace and support sodomy, radical feminism, abortion, welfare handouts etc, you are a bigot. When I was in public school, a Liberal teacher called me a bigot and told me " You and your skinheads can move to Kansas" just because I didn't support sodomy or abortion. Does that sound "tolerant" to you? My little brothers Drama teacher told the class Jesus was black, and may have been a woman. I thought teachers could not discuss religion in public school.( it seems like they can attack it) These are the sorts of experiences that I want to avoid at UG, and that is why I'm looking at mostly conservative schools. I am fine with Liberals and Liberal views. What I will not tolerate is radical Leftists who think they are right about everything, and label anyone who disagrees with them a bigot. There are crazy Neocons as well. What Liberals need to understand is that not all conservatives are crazy warmongers. I'm a socially and fiscally conservative isolationist. If you want to understand my views, look up the Constitution Party.

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:58 am

Haven't read the whole thread but the OP really is a bigot, yes?

basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:04 pm

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Dcc617 · Post by **Dcc617** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:21 pm

OP, in the real world nobody gives two shits about your political views. At all. Nobody cares if you're fiscally conservative or anti-whatever. It really shouldn't come up in the workplace. Nobody cares about changing your viewpoints or anything. That's way too much effort for people at work. I'm not going to walk around drilling my coworkers about their thoughts on the culture wars. Even back in school, everyone cared about each other's politics for like a week, and then we all moved on with our lives. There's too much to worry about, and anyone who insisted on bringing up politics or religion or whatever was quickly shunned for being a douchebag.

People really only care if you can work with others without being a giant tool.

Also, stop thinking of people as being "a liberal" or " a conservative", In the real world people generally don't fall into categories like that. Even if they hold a bunch of beliefs, there are a ton of other aspects of their character beyond their political views. Referring to people like you've been doing makes you sound like a jackass. You're so eager to put little boxes on everything. It just shrieks the immaturity that I've been pointing out.

Seriously dude, stop asking for advice you're not interested in taking. I'm hoping you'll eventually figure it out.

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:27 pm

BigZuck wrote:Haven't read the whole thread but the OP really is a bigot, yes?

Sounds like something a sodomizer would say

pittsburghpirates · Post by **pittsburghpirates** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:33 pm

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