How to get into HLS? Forum

JDJohnP21 · Post by **JDJohnP21** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:04 pm

Give me an honest step by step guide on how to get into HLS.

( I know a lot of you like mocking me due to my age, and conservative views. Please don't post unless your answering the question. It has been my dream to get into HLS for years. My heroes Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro went there, and I want to follow in their footsteps.)

Clearly · Post by **Clearly** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:07 pm

Go to any school and get 3.9+
Study for the lsat until you get a 174+
Foolishly turn down full rides to ccnp

rnoodles · Post by **rnoodles** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:27 pm

I've heard rain dances help, surprisingly.

Minnietron · Post by **Minnietron** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:21 pm

rnoodles22 wrote:I've heard rain dances help, surprisingly.

This.

Make sure you do your rain dance early in the admissions cycle. The earlier the better, especially if your LSAT is below median.

AnMzungu · Post by **AnMzungu** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:23 am

There's actually a chair in Langdell that still has Cruz's slime on it. Get a 173+ and 3.85+ and it's all yours.

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:43 am

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seashell.economy · Post by **seashell.economy** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:16 am

MistakenGenius wrote:Kid, you're still in high school. How about waiting until you actually experience the world before trying to worry about this? Every one of your stupid posts are about going there because of Ted Cruz, about wanting to go to a conservative college and then conservative law firm, or wanting affirmative action for your legal blindness. All you have to do to get into HLS is to go to Patrick Henry College, is that what you want to hear? Jesus Christ. I don't know why you want to go there anyway. They'll just try to corrupt you with their insidious liberal ways.

Loooooooolll

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:28 am

Clearly wrote:Go to any school and get 3.9+
Study for the lsat until you get a 174+
Foolishly turn down full rides to ccnp

Lol stop hating

CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:41 am

OP: The two best methods for admission to HLS are via strong numbers (3.9+ GPA & 174 or higher LSAT) or as a transfer after completing the first year of law school at Yale.

PeanutsNJam · Post by **PeanutsNJam** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:17 pm

Actual advice: When considering undergrad universities, this should be your list of priorities.

Cost (scholarship money)

Whether there is grade inflation, and how easy it is get good grades.

"Fit"

Prestige

Dcc617 · Post by **Dcc617** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:38 pm

JDJohnP21 wrote:Give me an honest step by step guide on how to get into HLS.

( I know a lot of you like mocking me due to my age, and conservative views. Please don't post unless your answering the question. It has been my dream to get into HLS for years. My heroes Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro went there, and I want to follow in their footsteps.)

I didn't realize that you were in high school. Now that I know that, here is my sincere advice to you.

Get off of this website for about three years. Pick a college that you like, based on culture, location, programs, etc. Go to that college. Join a club sports teams. Use other clubs to meet cool people. Take a couple classes about something you'd never thought about before. Worry about grades, but only so far as making sure you go to class and keep up with assignments. Go to a couple crazy parties all night and skip some classes the next day. Open yourself up to new experiences and new ways of thinking. You've done college wrong if all you've accomplished in it was confirming your prior beliefs. Make friends who will be friends for the rest of your life. And enjoy college. It's a really special time in your life, and most people would love to get it back if they could. Don't let it zoom by while you focus solely on some nebulous future.

You're way too young to be charting a path to a conservative law firm. You don't even know what you like or are interested in yet. Give it a couple years man. Literally every path is open to you right now. Don't close yourself off to opportunities.

If, in a couple years you decide that you are set on law school, then start worrying about the LSAT and stuff. But holy smokes man, you are just too early in your life to start fretting it.

Good luck and have fun in college!

kingpin101 · Post by **kingpin101** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:09 pm

JDJohnP21 wrote:Give me an honest step by step guide on how to get into HLS.

( I know a lot of you like mocking me due to my age, and conservative views. Please don't post unless your answering the question. It has been my dream to get into HLS for years. My heroes Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro went there, and I want to follow in their footsteps.)

My god the fact that you're already set on one particular school in one particular field is a little jarring.

gnomgnomuch · Post by **gnomgnomuch** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:36 pm

JDJohnP21 wrote:Give me an honest step by step guide on how to get into HLS.

( I know a lot of you like mocking me due to my age, and conservative views. Please don't post unless your answering the question. It has been my dream to get into HLS for years. My heroes Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro went there, and I want to follow in their footsteps.)

Why in the world is Ted Cruz one of your heroes? I'm genuinely asking, not trying to mock you here.

I got on this site about 3 years ago, just after completing my freshman year of college. People told me to chill... and I wish I listened. I'm still on this site because I'm still planning on attending law school down the line, but I'm now in grad school doing what I actually want to do for the first part of my career. However, now I recognize that my mind/life can change any second and it's not the greatest idea to pigeonhole yourself into one career path. I mean come on man, you're what 17/18 years old and you ABSOLUTELY know that you want to go to law school, the specific law school you want to go to and the exact type of work you want to do? Have you even considered other career options?

Next, don't go to PHC. It's not an awful school, but you're gonna hurt yourself. The stigma you've experience on TLS is not magically going to disappear in the real world. Accept, instead of people pointing out your mistake to you on a website, you'll have people throwing your resume out. Attending a school like PHC will close off a lot of doors... and I'm not sure it will open that many. Plus, you'll be in a reinforcing environment for four years. Your ideas should be tested out by those who disagree with you. One of the greatest things about college (and to a much larger degree graduate school) is that people are going to call you out on them, you'll have to learn how to defend those ideas, without insulting people - something you obviously need to learn. If you want to go to a religious university that's fine, but go to one like Notre Dame, that's respected, that has a reputation for more than being "reallllllllllly conservative." If I were you, I'd do something way different, I'd go to a state school, where you can meet people that agree with you, and that disagree with you. Try to get out of your comfort zone. Trust me, this is something I WISH I did in undergrad. I'm doing it for the first time now, and it's a bit overwhelming.

Finally, if you want to attend HLS, you need the numbers. Get a GPA in the 3.85+ range, and an LSAT in the 173+ range, and you should be more or less set. If not,you'll have great options from great law schools and probably a few full rides.

If you want some advice or just to talk, feel free to message me.

Dcc617 · Post by **Dcc617** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:30 pm

OP, from your undergrad options, it seems like you're looking at VA undergrad schools. Have you thought about William and Mary? It's thought of just as highly as UVA, except it's much smaller and more intimate. Plus, there's a good mix of conservative and liberal viewpoints. And it's a public school.

Instinctive · Post by **Instinctive** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:49 pm

Honestly, a 3.8+ and a 170+ LSAT ought to do it. HLS seems like the easiest one to get into. All you have to do is go get good stats.

Poldy · Post by **Poldy** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:59 pm

Reading the post history here was a much better use of my time than reading for crim.

JDJohnP21 · Post by **JDJohnP21** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:24 am

Hi guys
Another school I really like is George Washington University. From what I've heard the school has a good reputation for politics, has a decent number of conservatives, and has a good number of preps. I know a couple of people from there who are pretty sucessful. Do you guys think GW would be a better option than the other schools Im looking at? Also I keep hearing that most students at GW are Jewish. Is this true? It just seems odd to me because GW is a secular school.

RaceJudicata · Post by **RaceJudicata** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:14 am

And now you have something against the jews? You are insufferable.

wwwcol · Post by **wwwcol** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:25 am

RaceJudicata wrote:And now you have something against the jews? You are insufferable.

I am still torn on whether this is someone's bad alt. On one hand, the dumb conservative seems like it could make a good schtick, but the posts are so ignorant that someone with even a shred of brains would have to seriously work on dumbing down their posts. And it's not funny, just annoying.

basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:39 am

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Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:28 pm

There's a lot of Jews at hls too, just a warning

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:45 pm

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totesTheGoat · Post by **totesTheGoat** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:07 pm

As somebody who was approximately in the same position to you in high school. (Conservative, not interested in being indoctrinated in college, and potentially interested in law) here's what I'd say.

1) Don't pick a major that is a path to law school. College changes you (in reality, it's being responsible for your own life that changes you), and if you decide that law school ain't for you, there aren't many other paths for certain humanities degrees (like poli-sci, not to single out just one).

2) If you're interested in politics or other non-career topics... get a minor. My minor was political science, and I had offers for poli-sci grad school during undergrad. Just because you major in X doesn't mean you can't switch to Y after you graduate. However, if I were poli-sci major, I would have had a rough time getting to law school.

3) If you're interested in politics as a career, have 2 or 3 backup plans. Politics as a career is extremely difficult to get into, and even more difficult to maintain. You can keep it as a thought as you head for another goal, but politics should not be your primary goal, because you can safely assume that you're not gonna hack it.

4) Plan on changing your mind about 1000 times. I mentioned that I was conservative going into college, but I came out of college as a libertarian. That probably won't happen for you, but it's a great example. I also changed my major after the first year, changed from internships to a co-op program, and changed my graduation date to 5 years instead of 4. Your plans are a good guide, but expect to be constantly revising as you continue.

5) Law is liberal. It's something you have to get used to. I encountered a fair share of bias in my UG political science classes, but law school is sometimes a bully pulpit for professors (who are largely liberal) to sound off about politics and other things they like to rant about. If you don't just shut up and deal with it, you're liable to have that one prof who doesn't forget when it comes to grade adjustments. Law is very much a perception-based industry. When you're perceived as anything but the good little lawyer who is politically agnostic, you start pissing partners and/or clients off.

6) There are conservative and libertarian groups in law school. The most prominent one being the Federalist Society. Same goes for UG (not FedSoc, but other groups). Get your debate and politics out of your system in these groups. Again, you'll be the one who gets remembered when it comes to grade adjustments, denial of research assistantships, etc.

7) Focus more on what law you want to practice, not where you want to practice. Your UG and LSAT will effectively target you into a tier of schools. Focus more on what kind of practice you want to be involved in so that you can tailor your resume to that area.

8 ) (This one is more controversial, but I think it's good) Don't do the standard K-JD track with practically no work experience, practically no life experience, and practically no decent soft skills. Sure, you can make it to law school, but so much of law school makes more sense when you have experienced the real world. It was shocking to me when I was sitting in a bankruptcy class and nobody knew what happened when they didn't pay their bills! Go pay some bills, work a job for a couple years! Learn what life is before deciding to go to law school! Law is a practical industry, and you'll benefit immensely by knowing what it's like to live on $12/hour, living paycheck-to-paycheck. You become a much better advocate, even in transactional law, when you can relate to the people on the other side of the desk who aren't making 6-figures.

Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions.

JDJohnP21 · Post by **JDJohnP21** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:58 am

You guys are crazy. When did I say I had ANYTHING against Jews? I was just wondering if what I was hearing on GW is true. Please don't mince my words.

Poldy · Post by **Poldy** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:03 am

JDJohnP21 wrote:You guys are crazy. When did I say I had ANYTHING against Jews? I was just wondering if what I was hearing on GW is true. Please don't mince my words.

Sometime between now and when you graduate high school you really need to learn when to quit digging. Also, that's not what "mince words" means.