If I want HYSffIs this a good UG college list if I want HYS? Forum

[JDJohnP21]

I would like to attend HYS for law school. Does UG matter for HYS. Here are the schools I'm applying to.
1. Patrick Henry College ( they send students to Harvard and Yale every year)
2. Hillsdale College
3 Hampdem-Sydney College
4. Winford College
5 Thomas Aquinas College

[lacrossebrother]

why do you presume you're smart enough to go to an elite law school if you seem to be limited to only shit, pure shit, undergrad options? i mean undergrad doesn't really matter too much --grades/lsat is most important, but you're gonna get laughed at behind your back at any social gathering if you go to those types of schools

[Br3v]

Those schools are fine, but they will not increase or decrease your chances of getting in to a top school because where you go to UG does not matter.

[nothingtosee]

Those schools are fine, but they will not increase or decrease your chances of getting in to a top school because where you go to UG does not matter.

I don't buy this for HYS.

I think he'd need to be extra special ( like top one percent) to get in from one of these schools ( I've never heard of any, but I think Patrick Henry was where reardon and taggart met) whereas from a state flagship or namebrand private school numbers=admission. I can count the number of people I know who went to this tier school on one hand.

[Grond]

Those schools are fine, but they will not increase or decrease your chances of getting in to a top school because where you go to UG does not matter.

I don't buy this for HYS.

I think he'd need to be extra special to get in from one of these schools ( I've never heard of any, but I think Patrick Henry was where reardon and taggart met) whereas from a star flagship or namebrand private school numbers=admission. I can count the number of people I know who went to this tier school on one hand.

[Grond]

Those schools are fine, but they will not increase or decrease your chances of getting in to a top school because where you go to UG does not matter.

I don't buy this for HYS.

I think he'd need to be extra special to get in from one of these schools ( I've never heard of any, but I think Patrick Henry was where reardon and taggart met) whereas from a star flagship or namebrand private school numbers=admission. I can count the number of people I know who went to this tier school on one hand.

That was Patrick Henry University, and it wasn't where they met. Why do I know that, why.

[seashellstandard]

why do you presume you're smart enough to go to an elite law school if you seem to be limited to only shit, pure shit, undergrad options? i mean undergrad doesn't really matter too much --grades/lsat is most important, but you're gonna get laughed at behind your back at any social gathering if you go to those types of schools

TLS jerks in action, right here folks.

[gnomgnomuch]

Is this a flame?

I've never even heard of these colleges. I mean regardless, Law schools care about GPA/LSAT and if your grades are high enough you should be fine, but I actually worry when you look at these schools. This isn't some random state school, this seems to be on the level of U Phoenix.

[PoopNpants]

Is this a flame?

I've never even heard of these colleges. I mean regardless, Law schools care about GPA/LSAT and if your grades are high enough you should be fine, but I actually worry when you look at these schools. This isn't some random state school, this seems to be on the level of U Phoenix.

Yeah I just googled Thomas Aquinas College and they have an 80% acceptance rate lol
And as for Hillsdale all I know about them is that they refused government $$$ cause they are that opposed to affirmative action
Seriously tho OP just go to a community college for 2 years and transfer to your local state flagship do well and do well on the LSAT.

[gnomgnomuch]

Is this a flame?

I've never even heard of these colleges. I mean regardless, Law schools care about GPA/LSAT and if your grades are high enough you should be fine, but I actually worry when you look at these schools. This isn't some random state school, this seems to be on the level of U Phoenix.

Yeah I just googled Thomas Aquinas College and they have an 80% acceptance rate lol

Patrick Henry had 91% and was charging something like 40k >.<
OP, if this is your situation, please PLEASE, go to a CC and transfer out after a year to a solid state school.

[White Dwarf]

Patrick Henry is for weirdo home-schooled kids.

I don't really think it matters where you go, though. As long as your numbers/softs are in order. PHC and Aquinas only have ~300 students, so it's no surprise they haven't traditionally been represented at top schools.

[JonTheMandamus]

I recommend you forget about law school and TLS for at least the next three years. You'll find that people's perspectives on what career they want to pursue can change drastically in college. As for your question, any accredited college is good enough for HYS.

[JDJohnP21]

You people on TLS are ABSOLUTE MORONS. Your ignorance amazes me. Acceptance rate MEANS NOTHING.
1. Patrick Henry is only 15 years old, but has already won SEVERAL Moot Court National Championships(they beat Harvard and Oxford in Moot Court)
2. Patrick Henry sends students to BOTH Harvard and Yale Law EVERY year. Check the matriculation data on their websites you absolute fools.
3. One of Patrick Henry's former students was the Executive Editor of the Harvard Law review, and is now in Biglaw.
4. Patrick Henry is what Harvard was like in the 17th century. Students attend daily chapel, and do not drink or smoke. There is NO Greek life. The focus is completely on academics.
5. Patrick Henry does not have any of those dumb courses on Lady Gaga. In their core curriculum students take courses like Western Literature, Biblical Theology Euclidian Geometry, Rhetoric, Logic, and Constitutional Law.
6. People like to bash Patrick Henry because it's conservative, and doesn't take a DIME of government funding. They actually teach the Constitution and American values, unlike Sarah Lawrence and Reed.
7. Patrick Henry is Without question and elite UG for politics and law. I visited and was blown away by the intensity of their academics.
I as a high school student, am smarter than you guys on TLS who make these comments. The people who compare PHC to CC because of it's acceptance rate are mindless snobs. The average GPA at PHC is 3.8, and the average SAT is 1280. How about that you morons?
Grow up, and get over your snobbery.

[Mack.Hambleton]

Why are you posting here seems like you already knew your answer

[trebekismyhero]

HYS and any law school doesn't give a sh*t about your UG. You could go to Southeast Kansas State or whatever, but if you get a 4.0 and a 180, they'll admit you. Or you could go to Princeton and get a 2.9 and a 164 and you'll get dinged.

Now going to a really elite UG is a soft and might be a tie breaker type thing, but despite your previous post none of the schools you mention would probably be considered elite enough to give you a boost. Not being elitist, just realistic. There are probably only a handful of schools that give you a boost. Pick your UG based on where you want to be for four years and not whether it will look good to HYS.

[JDJohnP21]

Mack Hambleton
I post here because I am sick of the elitism. Kids on TLS run thier mouths and know nothing. I just presented you guys with FACTS about Patrick Henry. People who compare it to CC are mindless snobs.

[fredfred]

Hampen-Sydney isnt bad if you don't mind the all guys thing. One of the oldest colleges in the USA. We can play a TLS game- what is the oldest truly American college/university? As in first one founded after the revolution? I saw this on NYT the other day and was surprising.

[A. Nony Mouse]

You people on TLS are ABSOLUTE MORONS. Your ignorance amazes me. Acceptance rate MEANS NOTHING.
1. Patrick Henry is only 15 years old, but has already won SEVERAL Moot Court National Championships(they beat Harvard and Oxford in Moot Court)
2. Patrick Henry sends students to BOTH Harvard and Yale Law EVERY year. Check the matriculation data on their websites you absolute fools.
3. One of Patrick Henry's former students was the Executive Editor of the Harvard Law review, and is now in Biglaw.
4. Patrick Henry is what Harvard was like in the 17th century. Students attend daily chapel, and do not drink or smoke. There is NO Greek life. The focus is completely on academics.
5. Patrick Henry does not have any of those dumb courses on Lady Gaga. In their core curriculum students take courses like Western Literature, Biblical Theology Euclidian Geometry, Rhetoric, Logic, and Constitutional Law.
6. People like to bash Patrick Henry because it's conservative, and doesn't take a DIME of government funding. They actually teach the Constitution and American values, unlike Sarah Lawrence and Reed.
7. Patrick Henry is Without question and elite UG for politics and law. I visited and was blown away by the intensity of their academics.
I as a high school student, am smarter than you guys on TLS who make these comments. The people who compare PHC to CC because of it's acceptance rate are mindless snobs. The average GPA at PHC is 3.8, and the average SAT is 1280. How about that you morons?
Grow up, and get over your snobbery.

Don't ask questions here if you don't want to hear other people's opinions. And don't call people morons or elitist when they're giving you honest answers.

Your facts are also not really pertinent. A school that's only 15 years old is extremely young and its reputation not yet firmly established. You can find notable individuals from every school in the country, including community colleges. You say that one of their students was the EE of HLR and is now in biglaw - I mean, that's nice, but all schools can point to successful alumni. And beating other schools in UG moot court championships really doesn't mean anything.

It may be perfectly great for you and what you want to do, but keep in mind that the reactions you received here are the reactions you're going to get from a lot of people.

And if Patrick Henry's lifestyle and politics appeal to you, I'm not sure you're going to enjoy HYS.

[JDJohnP21]

Nony Mouse
Ted Cruz went to HLS and his views are pretty much exactly the same as Patrick Henry's. Conservatives have done just fine at HYS. Other examples are Ben Shapiro and Clarance Thomas.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Nony Mouse
Ted Cruz went to HLS and his views are pretty much exactly the same as Patrick Henry's. Conservatives have done just fine at HYS. Other examples are Ben Shapiro and Clarance Thomas.

I didn't say you wouldn't succeed, I said you might not enjoy it. Am pretty sure Clarence Thomas didn't (though not entirely because he's conservative).

[twenty]

I've sent several (I think actually closer to 8+) high school debate students to Patrick Henry College over the last two years, and a couple of my students this year are going to Hillsdale. First, you should listen to this:

Those schools are fine, but they will not increase or decrease your chances of getting in to a top school because where you go to UG does not matter.

But second, there's a pretty good chance I either know you, or at least know of you. You came here under the pretext of looking for advice and then proceed to run sobbing for the brochures when people dared to suggest that PHC was not going to create these massive inroads to Yale. I don't mind PHC, and I don't really mind Hillsdale either - but the gas-huffing prestige-whoring (often homeschooled) applicants that think they're God's gift to the world at age 17 are really fucking up both schools.

[JonTheMandamus]

Seems like OP is serious about this thread (which I was starting to think was full troll), so I'll just say this. Please get off of this site. People come here for/to give advice. You're obviously not going to be contributing, nor do you have any real questions.

[thebestwes]

No offense, but while I do think it's unfair to label PHC "pure shit," the mere fact that it doesn't have classes on Lady Gaga et. al. (there's actually a lot to talk about with her regarding the sociology of celebrity, rebellion-as-status-quo, and the intersectionality between Catholicism and pop culture) doesn't really mean it's a particularly amazing school either with regard to your HYS chances. Same with the lack of drinking/smoking. Plenty of 0/10 colleges have similar policies and plenty of elite schools do not. Western Lit, Biblical Theology, and Geometry are not particularly amazing for core curriculum classes, either. I mean, the fact that those are core classes don't count against the school for any reason I can think of, but it's not really a point in its favor either. Same with lack of Greek Life. Many schools don't have it. The big state school in my area has a comparable median SAT score, too. Also, didn't Florida Coastal beat Harvard in Moot Court?

None of that is to say that you won't succeed at PHC, or that PHC is a bad or even below-average school. But the facts your citing don't make it an elite school either, or particularly "good" for HYS relative to most other decent schools (which seems to be what you're asking).

I as a high school student, am smarter than you guys on TLS who make these comments.

welp

[ihenry]

Is this a flame?

[lacrossebrother]

what kind of faculty would fucking go to patrick henry? high sat/hs gpa hardly makes a school elite. it might indicate it. a 1280/1600 never does though

on the other hand, when you're a brand new school that focuses on intensity of a curriculum and mandatory chapel attendance above actual shit that people are supposed to learn in college, like, idk, choosing to attend chapel or not and having to make your own adult decisions instead of being at young life with counselors shuttling you to and fro...ya, you're SPS.