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[Anonymous User]

I don't mean for this post to come off as shallow, but I'm trying to gauge my potential for success before I commit to law school. I graduated from a well-respected liberal arts college with a good GPA, and I think I have a pretty good shot at a T14 school. I've been interested in law for a while, partly because my grandfather served on my state's supreme court. I'm more interested in corporate law than trial law, but my question is whether having him as my grandfather might serve as a conduit later on when I'm looking for internships and jobs. I don't expect anyone to hire me unless I'm really worth my salt, but one former boss told me having "the name" would be a big help. My grandfather was active in the legal field until recently, but he's old and might not even be around when I start law school. Everyone is saying law school is a terrible idea, and I hear horror stories about students graduating with 200k in debt and no jobs, so I want to know what my career options might be before I commit.

[emkay625]

I don't mean for this post to come off as shallow, but I'm trying to gauge my potential for success before I commit to law school. I graduated from a well-respected liberal arts college with a good GPA, and I think I have a pretty good shot at a T14 school. I've been interested in law for a while, partly because my grandfather served on my state's supreme court. I'm more interested in corporate law than trial law, but my question is whether having him as my grandfather might serve as a conduit later on when I'm looking for internships and jobs. I don't expect anyone to hire me unless I'm really worth my salt, but one former boss told me having "the name" would be a big help. My grandfather was active in the legal field until recently, but he's old and might not even be around when I start law school. Everyone is saying law school is a terrible idea, and I hear horror stories about students graduating with 200k in debt and no jobs, so I want to know what my career options might be before I commit.

To be honest, no one can tell you anything without your actual GPA and an LSAT score. Have you taken a diagnostic exam yet?

[bdubs]

Does your state have a lot of biglaw firms? If your grandfather was on the NY, CA, TX, IL, or MA supreme court then I would imagine he will have some powerful connections. Connections are usually only a part of the puzzle though.

You should probably ask him though.

[nycdweller]

Don't go into law unless you know what being a lawyer involves and after an honest self assessment think you'd enjoy it

[Anonymous User]

Don't go into law unless you know what being a lawyer involves and after an honest self assessment think you'd enjoy it

Thanks for the help. I do think I'd enjoy practicing law, but I want to know whether I'll be able to get a job. I do expect to get into a T14, but don't expect to be in the very top of my class, which would make the decision riskier. I know that right now I have good connections with major firms in my state (still under 1.000 lawyers), but will those connections mean anything after my grandfather passes away? In business, a lot of people get jobs because their boss was doing someone else a favor, but I expect the terms would be very different when the applicant's connection is no longer in the field. Is that true in law? -OP

[Norwood]

you'll be fine. you got the potential to get into a great school. just work hard like everyone else and you'll end up with something. it might not be the ideal job, but if you love practicing law, then hopefully it'll be enough. The extra family connection is great, but you shouldn't completely rely on it.

[dixiecupdrinking]

I think what you should do is express to your grandfather that you are interested in practicing corporate law and wonder if knows any lawyers in firms who would be willing to talk to you about their careers. Get networking now with his connections and maintain them through the next couple of years.

[bdubs]

I know that right now I have good connections with major firms in my state (still under 1.000 lawyers)

States with <1,000 lawyers don't really have major firms in the T14 sense of things. The number of opportunities for entry level positions that pay >$100,000 is greatly reduced in smaller legal markets. Even a >1,000 lawyer market like Seattle has <30 summer associates per year and might not have 100% offer rates. You should go into a T14 law school expecting to have to get the grades to compete with your classmates in a major market. The secondary (or tertiary) market where you're from is going to have to be a supplement to traditional recruiting, not necessarily a safety net.

[dixiecupdrinking]

I know that right now I have good connections with major firms in my state (still under 1.000 lawyers)

States with <1,000 lawyers don't really have major firms in the T14 sense of things. The number of opportunities for entry level positions that pay >$100,000 is greatly reduced in smaller legal markets. Even a >1,000 lawyer market like Seattle has <30 summer associates per year and might not have 100% offer rates. You should go into a T14 law school expecting to have to get the grades to compete with your classmates in a major market. The secondary (or tertiary) market where you're from is going to have to be a supplement to traditional recruiting, not necessarily a safety net.

I assumed OP meant that the firms are all under 1,000 lawyers.

[bdubs]

I know that right now I have good connections with major firms in my state (still under 1.000 lawyers)

States with <1,000 lawyers don't really have major firms in the T14 sense of things. The number of opportunities for entry level positions that pay >$100,000 is greatly reduced in smaller legal markets. Even a >1,000 lawyer market like Seattle has <30 summer associates per year and might not have 100% offer rates. You should go into a T14 law school expecting to have to get the grades to compete with your classmates in a major market. The secondary (or tertiary) market where you're from is going to have to be a supplement to traditional recruiting, not necessarily a safety net.

I assumed OP meant that the firms are all under 1,000 lawyers.

I'm not sure it matters much. The firms with >1000 lawyers are the ones most likely to have far flung offices. If OP's state doesn't have K&L Gates, Jones Day, or Baker McKenzie offices (or any of the other megafirms for that matter) he is probably in a state with less than 1,000 big firm lawyers.

[Anonymous User]

I know that right now I have good connections with major firms in my state (still under 1.000 lawyers)

States with <1,000 lawyers don't really have major firms in the T14 sense of things. The number of opportunities for entry level positions that pay >$100,000 is greatly reduced in smaller legal markets. Even a >1,000 lawyer market like Seattle has <30 summer associates per year and might not have 100% offer rates. You should go into a T14 law school expecting to have to get the grades to compete with your classmates in a major market. The secondary (or tertiary) market where you're from is going to have to be a supplement to traditional recruiting, not necessarily a safety net.

I assumed OP meant that the firms are all under 1,000 lawyers.

Exactly. I meant firms with under 1,000 lawyers but with several offices, including NYC.
-OP

[MrAnon]

My grandpa was a farmer. It didn't make me interested in farming though. You might want to decide if you actually like law for yourself before you set off to law school.

[FlanAl]

Have your grandpa introduce you to people now. Build your network as a "i'm trying to figure out if law school is the right choice". People who are actually lawyers will be able to tell you more than the people on this site AND older people like it when younger people give a genuine sh#$ about what they do. THEN once you're in law school maintain contact with all these people. Stings should be pulled by your grandpa way before you need them to be pulled. That way it won't be like he's calling in a favor you'll be so and so's fantastic grandson/granddaughter.