New York Law School (NYLS) 1L Forum

[Coolgrnmen]

Um, ok.

Now that we've cleared that up, let me ask again:

You really think people should be attending NYLS if their goal is biglaw, considering their placement rates must be in the single digits?

No.

See, I wasn't looking for a rational person's perspective; I was trying to see what a NYLS student thought on the issue.

Yes if they don't get into anywhere else that will place them in BigLaw...
You are asking for my opinion - I'm giving it to you...I'm not looking to debate.

[romothesavior]

Yes if they don't get into anywhere else that will place them in BigLaw...
You are asking for my opinion - I'm giving it to you...I'm not looking to debate.

If I wanted to be a millionaire, would you recommend I go to a casino or OTB and place a $220,000 bet on 5% odds?

[Coolgrnmen]

Yes if they don't get into anywhere else that will place them in BigLaw...
You are asking for my opinion - I'm giving it to you...I'm not looking to debate.

If I wanted to be a millionaire, would you recommend I go to a casino or OTB and place a $220,000 bet on 5% odds?

Your odds are a little higher because, while total school placement is under 10%, not everyone in the class is seeking BigLaw. In fact, a lot aren't. I know...crazy thought.
So if only half the class were seeking BigLaw, then your odds double...
Anyways...are you a person in control of your own fate, or are you someone that lets odds take over your life? If you really think you have only a 5% chance of success, then go to a casino and blow it.

[JusticeHarlan]

Yes if they don't get into anywhere else that will place them in BigLaw...
You are asking for my opinion - I'm giving it to you...I'm not looking to debate.

If I wanted to be a millionaire, would you recommend I go to a casino or OTB and place a $220,000 bet on 5% odds?

Your odds are a little higher because, while total school placement is under 10%, not everyone in the class is seeking BigLaw. In fact, a lot aren't. I know...crazy thought.
So if only half the class were seeking BigLaw, then your odds double...
Anyways...are you a person in control of your own fate, or are you someone that lets odds take over your life? If you really think you have only a 5% chance of success, then go to a casino and blow it.

Well, I'm actually kinda looking for a debate: I don't think you should be telling people this school has any appreciable biglaw placement, because it doesn't, really.

Class of 2009 placement statistics (LinkRemoved), provided by the school itself.

20% of graduates reported any salary information at all.
Of those, 45.6% went into private practice.
Of those, 30% worked for firms with at least 101 lawyers.

So, that's 2.74% of the class reported getting jobs in 'large' firms. Even accounting for some self selection, do you think you should be advising people that biglaw is any kind of realistic option from NYLS?

[Coolgrnmen]

Yes if they don't get into anywhere else that will place them in BigLaw...
You are asking for my opinion - I'm giving it to you...I'm not looking to debate.

If I wanted to be a millionaire, would you recommend I go to a casino or OTB and place a $220,000 bet on 5% odds?

Your odds are a little higher because, while total school placement is under 10%, not everyone in the class is seeking BigLaw. In fact, a lot aren't. I know...crazy thought.
So if only half the class were seeking BigLaw, then your odds double...
Anyways...are you a person in control of your own fate, or are you someone that lets odds take over your life? If you really think you have only a 5% chance of success, then go to a casino and blow it.

Well, I'm actually kinda looking for a debate: I don't think you should be telling people this school has any appreciable biglaw placement, because it doesn't, really.

Class of 2009 placement statistics (LinkRemoved), provided by the school itself.

20% of graduates reported any salary information at all.
Of those, 45.6% went into private practice.
Of those, 30% worked for firms with at least 101 lawyers.

So, that's 2.74% of the class reported getting jobs in 'large' firms. Even accounting for some self selection, do you think you should be advising people that biglaw is any kind of realistic option from NYLS?

Yes - not debating this.
Questions a 1L can answer?

[romothesavior]

20% of graduates reported any salary information at all.
Of those, 45.6% went into private practice.
Of those, 30% worked for firms with at least 101 lawyers.

So, that's 2.74% of the class reported getting jobs in 'large' firms. Even accounting for some self selection, do you think you should be advising people that biglaw is any kind of realistic option from NYLS?

Yes

Now you're just being downright ridiculous.

OP, I understand you don't want to debate us on salary numbers and all of that. That's fine, this is your thread, not ours. I can understand that you want us to stop bothering you with these questions (or, more aptly, realities) about your school. It is really no skin off my nose if you want to answer questions about NYLS. But I know that the TLS community (including myself) will not let you make false claims about your school's job prospects and sucker in a bunch of hapless, clueless 0Ls in the process. The best way to get us to leave you and your thread alone is to stop saying outrageous things and stop propagating false information.

[Coolgrnmen]

20% of graduates reported any salary information at all.
Of those, 45.6% went into private practice.
Of those, 30% worked for firms with at least 101 lawyers.

So, that's 2.74% of the class reported getting jobs in 'large' firms. Even accounting for some self selection, do you think you should be advising people that biglaw is any kind of realistic option from NYLS?

Yes

Now you're just being downright ridiculous.

OP, I understand you don't want to debate us on salary numbers and all of that. That's fine, this is your thread, not ours. I can understand that you want us to stop bothering you with these questions (or, more aptly, realities) about your school. It is really no skin off my nose if you want to answer questions about NYLS. But I know that the TLS community (including myself) will not let you make false claims about your school's job prospects and sucker in a bunch of hapless, clueless 0Ls in the process. The best way to get us to leave you and your thread alone is to stop saying outrageous things and stop propagating false information.

Like what?
Everything I have said has come from my personal experiences - percentage estimates that I've provided are from the people I know personally. Obviously I didn't survey the entire school.
Aside from those, all I have given are opinions and observations.

[romothesavior]

Like what?

Like saying that NYLS is a good school for biglaw when < 5% of students PRE-ITE were landing firms of 100+. What is that, like 15-20 students out of a class of 500+?

So either 1) you are friends with the only students in the class getting biglaw, 2) your perception of reality is horribly skewed, or 3) you are lying. I'm going to guess that (1) is not true because it would be quite a statistical anomaly, and you seem like a nice enough guy so I doubt you're lying. So that means that you have a terrible grasp on the reality of legal employment at NYLS, in which case I'd really ask you to look at your school's pathetic job statistics before recommending someone take out 6-figures of debt to go to school there.

[Coolgrnmen]

Like what?

Like saying that NYLS is a good school for biglaw when < 5% of students PRE-ITE were landing firms of 100+. What is that, like 15-20 students out of a class of 500+?

So either 1) you are friends with the only students in the class getting biglaw, 2) your perception of reality is horribly skewed, or 3) you are lying. I'm going to guess that (1) is not true because it would be quite a statistical anomaly, and you seem like a nice enough guy so I doubt you're lying. So that means that you have a terrible grasp on the reality of legal employment at NYLS, in which case I'd really ask you to look at your school's pathetic job statistics before recommending someone take out 6-figures of debt to go to school there.

I say NYLS is a good school for BigLaw when you can't get in anywhere else with a higher placement...
I'm not telling anyone to dive right into a 6 figure loan...I expect everyone here to exercise fiscal responsibility, plan ahead, and understand what is required to meet your goals.

For example, I came into NYLS because it is in NYC and has (relative to other T3s outside of NYC) decent placement in BigLaw - if I wanted to work BigLaw, my chances were greater by coming here.

I'm living off of loans and will have $210k in debt. Fortunately, I did well my first semester and have an internship with an Art III judge. Persistence and initiative paid off.
If that didn't work out, and I did poorly and I didn't get a job my first summer, not all hope would have been lost. I would have settled for public interest law, at least for 10 years. (are you familiar with the loan forgiveness programs and the repayment plans including the income-contingent plan?) After so many years of experience, I would attempt to lateral transfer to a firm. If that didn't work, then I'd work out a plan C.

For those unaware, if you work in PI for 10 years and make your scheduled loan payments, the remainder of your loan is forgiven. At NYLS, the payment plan is on a 30 yr plan cause the loans are so damn high.
Additionally, there are multiple repayment plans for federal loans. My favorite being the income contingent repayment plan. Through that plan, your monthly payment will never exceed 15% of your discretionary income (after all necessary living expenses - rent, food, clothing, etc.).

Loans my hang over your head for years, but they don't take all your money.

The only people that go broke are the fiscally irresponsible people. I can't help them...nor can you.

[zanda]

LOL at public interest being a fall back plan for the 98% (or so) of the NYLS class that doesn't get biglaw. I'll make sure to tell that to all my classmates at NYU who came in wanting public interest, are above median, and don't have jobs.

[Coolgrnmen]

LOL at public interest being a fall back plan for the 98% (or so) of the NYLS class that doesn't good biglaw. I'll make sure to tell that to all my classmates at NYU who came in wanting public interest, are above median, and don't have jobs.

Lol at you for making up friends in your mind

[SupraVln180]

I can't believe this thread is still going on. This is an elaborate flame.

[Coolgrnmen]

I can't believe this thread is still going on. This is an elaborate flame.

Yeah, you got me...I registered a year ago during the app process so that I could flame about NYLS...

[anti-phronimos]

I can't believe this thread is still going on. This is an elaborate flame.

Yeah, you got me...I registered a year ago during the app process so that I could flame about NYLS...

Thanks for being honest, buddy.

Like what?

So either 1) you are friends with the only students in the class getting biglaw, 2) your perception of reality is horribly skewed, or 3) you are lying.

[Coolgrnmen]

Any questions a 1L at NYLS can answer?

[lawschooliseasy]

Nice try NYLS ad comms...

[Helmholtz]

Any questions a 1L at NYLS can answer?

Is there talk around the school about articles like this:

http://temporaryattorney.blogspot.com/2 ... eball.html

[anti-phronimos]

Any questions a 1L at NYLS can answer?

Sure, since you're at the school, I'm assuming you have some access to their social realm:

Do you have any photos from this wonderful exchange?

I know this event took place before you were at school, but I certainly hope it was properly documented for future generations of NYLS students.

Also, do you know this guy? (LinkRemoved)

As a personal question, and feel free to go with your gut on this one--if you were part of the hiring committee at a firm, how would you interpret/react to/judge the combination of MENSA and NYLS on an applicant's resume? Would you look for an explanation to this discrepancy, or maybe there's no disconnect at all? What do you think?

[Coolgrnmen]

Any questions a 1L at NYLS can answer?

Is there talk around the school about articles like this:

http://temporaryattorney.blogspot.com/2 ... eball.html

Talks? No. We are all aware of it and we are aware that some alum of misfortune. Conversely, some alum do very well.
Sucks to be him...

[anti-phronimos]

Any questions a 1L at NYLS can answer?

Is there talk around the school about articles like this:

http://temporaryattorney.blogspot.com/2 ... eball.html

Another hypothetical for you:

If a massive tsunami of former NYLS students got behind a class action law suit against NYLS, and, in particular, Mr. Matasar, would you support your fellow students who weren't as lucky as you [i.e. nearly all of them] or would you come to the defense of NYLS and Mr. Matasar?

[Coolgrnmen]

Any questions a 1L at NYLS can answer?

Sure, since you're at the school, I'm assuming you have some access to their social realm:

Do you have any photos from this wonderful exchange?

I know this event took place before you were at school, but I certainly hope it was properly documented for future generations of NYLS students.

Also, do you know this guy? (LinkRemoved)

As a personal question, and feel free to go with your gut on this one--if you were part of the hiring committee at a firm, how would you interpret/react to/judge the combination of MENSA and NYLS on an applicant's resume? Would you look for an explanation to this discrepancy, or maybe there's no disconnect at all? What do you think?

LOL
I actually just learned about the incident (two girls, one dress) the other day when we were discussing the upcoming Barrister's Ball. Absolutely horrible professionalism. But this happened during the current 3Ls 1L year. I wasn't around to experience it.
The school does not serve liquor on campus anymore because of it. Only beer and wine.

Don't know him...but I'm familiar with a few people that are Mensa at NYLS. In fact, I qualified for it but didn't join. That being said, I would never include it on my resume.

These occurrences are not the norm at the school, but they do leave a bad stigma.

[Coolgrnmen]

Any questions a 1L at NYLS can answer?

Is there talk around the school about articles like this:

http://temporaryattorney.blogspot.com/2 ... eball.html

Another hypothetical for you:

If a massive tsunami of former NYLS students got behind a class action law suit against NYLS, and, in particular, Mr. Matasar, would you support your fellow students who weren't as lucky as you [i.e. nearly all of them] or would you come to the defense of NYLS and Mr. Matasar?

If they had legitimate grounds for bringing suit, I would back them. However, there is no legitimate action that could be taken against Mr. Matasar *as of right now*...

[zanda]

I can't believe this thread is still going on. This is an elaborate flame.

I respectfully disagree. Elaborate IMO suggests subtlety. This guy was clearly a flame from the original post in this thread and when he saw there were a few people giving him the benefit of the doubt he got progressively more absurd.

[Coolgrnmen]

I can't believe this thread is still going on. This is an elaborate flame.

I respectfully disagree. Elaborate IMO suggests subtlety. This guy was clearly a flame from the original post in this thread and when he saw there were a few people giving him the benefit of the doubt he got progressively more absurd.

Yeah, yeah...I'm a flame...

Anyone have any legitimate questions for a 1L at NYLS?

[sanjola]

Any questions a 1L at NYLS can answer?

Sure, since you're at the school, I'm assuming you have some access to their social realm:

Do you have any photos from this wonderful exchange?

I know this event took place before you were at school, but I certainly hope it was properly documented for future generations of NYLS students.

Also, do you know this guy? (LinkRemoved)

As a personal question, and feel free to go with your gut on this one--if you were part of the hiring committee at a firm, how would you interpret/react to/judge the combination of MENSA and NYLS on an applicant's resume? Would you look for an explanation to this discrepancy, or maybe there's no disconnect at all? What do you think?

LOL
I actually just learned about the incident (two girls, one dress) the other day when we were discussing the upcoming Barrister's Ball. Absolutely horrible professionalism. But this happened during the current 3Ls 1L year. I wasn't around to experience it.
The school does not serve liquor on campus anymore because of it. Only beer and wine.

Don't know him...but I'm familiar with a few people that are Mensa at NYLS. In fact, I qualified for it but didn't join. That being said, I would never include it on my resume.

These occurrences are not the norm at the school, but they do leave a bad stigma.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt this whole time, but the above just proves you are a flame.