WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions Forum

[robert88]

You see, that's precisely the problem. Grades only matter when you are in the top third. The difference between 3.1 and 3.3 is negligible, and the difference between 3.8 and 3.6 could be big law and unemployment.

People who should've gotten more than a 3.76 suffered. But people who should've gotten a grade lower than 3.48 or whatever benefitted because DBT didn't give super low grades. I think others are saying as a whole, A and B didn't suffer, but if you discount people who are below median, and only consider the top 1/3 of each section, then yeah A and B got hardcore shafted.

[splitterfromhell]

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[robert88]

Yes, you would not know who got screwed. However, if you are in his crim class this year, and got a 4.0, try reduce that to 3.76 or lower (which would be the most you could have got last semester), and ask yourself, is that fair?

It's also just impossible to tell who got "screwed" and who didn't. The grades just converged on one point. So I don't think anyone can claim that the grading was unfair to them, it was just atypical.

[hoos89]

You see, that's precisely the problem. Grades only matter when you are in the top third. The difference between 3.1 and 3.3 is negligible, and the difference between 3.8 and 3.6 could be big law and unemployment.

Wait, what? Students above median at WUSTL go unemployed?

Some may. But to the extent you get employed below top third, your grades probably didn't really help.

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[tebowtime23]

You see, that's precisely the problem. Grades only matter when you are in the top third. The difference between 3.1 and 3.3 is negligible, and the difference between 3.8 and 3.6 could be big law and unemployment.

People who should've gotten more than a 3.76 suffered. But people who should've gotten a grade lower than 3.48 or whatever benefitted because DBT didn't give super low grades. I think others are saying as a whole, A and B didn't suffer, but if you discount people who are below median, and only consider the top 1/3 of each section, then yeah A and B got hardcore shafted.

This. Exactly this. Virtually everybody in the top third of A and B got short end of stick.

[MKC]

Also giving out like 8 Cali's for a class is fucking dumb.

I thought the whole point of a CALI was that there was only one per class, but apparently I was misinformed.

[Jmart082]

Also giving out like 8 Cali's for a class is fucking dumb.

I thought the whole point of a CALI was that there was only one per class, but apparently I was misinformed.

The fact that this thread has become a soap box for top third privilege is so TLS. Love it. Mark: dig the H.L. Mencken avatar.

[Jmart082]

You see, that's precisely the problem. Grades only matter when you are in the top third. The difference between 3.1 and 3.3 is negligible, and the difference between 3.8 and 3.6 could be big law and unemployment.

Wait, what? Students above median at WUSTL go unemployed?

CSO advisors tell me stories about people in the upper-echelons of the class who can't even make eye contact, so I guess it all depends.

[splitterfromhell]

How likely is it that I will have Friday class as a 1L?

[Jmart082]

How likely is it that I will have Friday class as a 1L?

It's almost a forgone conclusion.

[acr]

How likely is it that I will have Friday class as a 1L?

This year, my section had Friday class one semester and no Friday class the next semester. That seemed to be the norm for most people. So I would say that it is very likely that you will have Friday class for at least one semester of 1L.

[KunAgnis]

How likely is it that I will have Friday class as a 1L?

As far as your schedule goes, you didn't ask but you could also have classes running to 6PM. I'd check online (try searching washu law fall 2015 1L schedule or something).

Edit: I mean this to give you an idea of what the schedule might look like.

[PeanutsNJam]

I had no Friday classes this spring (1L), but had classes running 8:30-5:00 Tues-Thurs with around 3-4 hours in between.

[robert88]

Does anyone know if we will have two rankings before and after the transfers are out?

[konar]

You see, that's precisely the problem. Grades only matter when you are in the top third. The difference between 3.1 and 3.3 is negligible, and the difference between 3.8 and 3.6 could be big law and unemployment.

Wait, what? Students above median at WUSTL go unemployed?

CSO advisors tell me stories about people in the upper-echelons of the class who can't even make eye contact, so I guess it all depends.

I think WUSTL employment numbers are perhaps a bit skewed by having so many extreme splitters(very high LSAT and very low GPA). You end up with many very smart but perhaps less driven individuals. This type of person can easily ace a lawschool exam(law school is not actually difficult at all), end up high in the class, yet still not have some of the skills and drive that are required to land a great job.

[Joscellin]

Does anyone know if we will have two rankings before and after the transfers are out?

My understanding is that they did this last year, but that it wasn't done in time for OCI

[PeanutsNJam]

You see, that's precisely the problem. Grades only matter when you are in the top third. The difference between 3.1 and 3.3 is negligible, and the difference between 3.8 and 3.6 could be big law and unemployment.

Wait, what? Students above median at WUSTL go unemployed?

CSO advisors tell me stories about people in the upper-echelons of the class who can't even make eye contact, so I guess it all depends.

I think WUSTL employment numbers are perhaps a bit skewed by having so many extreme splitters(very high LSAT and very low GPA). You end up with many very smart but perhaps less driven individuals. This type of person can easily ace a lawschool exam(law school is not actually difficult at all), end up high in the class, yet still not have some of the skills and drive that are required to land a great job.

LSAT/gpa has no significant correlation with intellect or drive or social skills, and you certainly can't generalize splitters so. There are awkward people everywhere, with a higher concentration in law school in general.

[LET'S GET IT]

Does anyone know if we will have two rankings before and after the transfers are out?

My understanding is that they did this last year, but that it wasn't done in time for OCI

Yep. They adjusted the cutoffs but I think it was in like mid September so it was pretty useless. The year before they didn't readjust at all if memory serves.

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[Joscellin]

You see, that's precisely the problem. Grades only matter when you are in the top third. The difference between 3.1 and 3.3 is negligible, and the difference between 3.8 and 3.6 could be big law and unemployment.

Wait, what? Students above median at WUSTL go unemployed?

CSO advisors tell me stories about people in the upper-echelons of the class who can't even make eye contact, so I guess it all depends.

I think WUSTL employment numbers are perhaps a bit skewed by having so many extreme splitters(very high LSAT and very low GPA). You end up with many very smart but perhaps less driven individuals. This type of person can easily ace a lawschool exam(law school is not actually difficult at all), end up high in the class, yet still not have some of the skills and drive that are required to land a great job.

LSAT/gpa has no significant correlation with intellect or drive or social skills, and you certainly can't generalize splitters so. There are awkward people everywhere, with a higher concentration in law school in general.

I'm not so sure you can fairly say there is *no* significant correlation, the point is well taken that there is certainly not enough of one such that one can generalize so broadly within a small sample.

[RareExports]

EIW firm list is up on Symplicity. Does not look good.

[WheatThins]

EIW firm list is up on Symplicity. Does not look good.

Firms should get added to it through the next few weeks.

[Dads707]

Do you see many folks from WUSTL taking non-legal professional positions upon graduation or during summers?

For example, Management Consulting, Investment Banking, etc. A lot of MBA SA announcements state that they will take JD students as well.

I know the first piece of advice everyone gives is to do legal positions in the summers and not to go to law school if you're looking at other fields; however, these are great plans in the event that unemployment is the alternative.

[hoos89]

EIW firm list is up on Symplicity. Does not look good.

It never really does (although it's early and firms will probably be added over the next month).