Any Fordham Grads out there? Forum

[03152016]

and yes, i'm doing it for the benefit of 0Ls
i know you already graduated, i wouldn't spend a lot of time talking about schools manipulating data like this if 0Ls weren't going to see this thread
but we get a solid number of people come to tls every year asking about fordham
probably a decent amount get here through searching for fordham law

i think it's important that they understand numbers like these in context
esp before diving into high six-figure non-dischargabe debt

[JenDarby]

Yea by initial post I meant initial post with actual stats, which I thought was pretty fucking clear, and it was a couple posts above.

You're more emotionally invested in Fordham than I am at this point.

Unrelated, where did you go to law school and what are your employment details?

[03152016]

you gave a worthless anecdote about employment at graduation that had the potential to trick unwary 0Ls into attending a trap school
i ameliorated the situation by providing actual nalp data that contradicted your account
you challenged the data i provided by pointing to a completely different set of numbers than the one at issue

let's not play this game

also, i post about lots of law schools, not just fordham
if you've spent any amount of time in the on-topics you'd know i post about many, many schools
over the past few weeks i've posted extensively about cuny and john marshall (far more in depth than i wrote about fordham)
and have written shorter posts about probably a dozen other schools

it's a laughable claim that i'm "emotionally invested" in fordham
though your getting defensive indicates that you are

it's also telling that you'd rather focus on me than address my substantive argument and the data i provided

[JenDarby]

you gave a worthless anecdote about employment at graduation that had the potential to trick unwary 0Ls into attending a trap school
i ameliorated the situation by providing actual nalp data that contradicted your account
you challenged the data i provided by pointing to a completely different set of numbers than the one at issue

let's not play this game

also, i post about lots of law schools, not just fordham
if you've spent any amount of time in the on-topics you'd know i post about many, many schools
over the past few weeks i've posted extensively about cuny and john marshall (far more in depth than i wrote about fordham)
and have written shorter posts about probably a dozen other schools

it's a laughable claim that i'm "emotionally invested" in fordham
though your getting defensive indicates that you are

it's also telling that you'd rather focus on me than address my substantive argument and the data i provided

Yea I would say you definitely care more.

Go to Fordham, don't go to Fordham, IDGAF. Probably don't go. I never say many positive things about Fordham. It did work out really fucking well for me, so I will say that.

I've not once actively promoted Fordham. I can't fathom how I am defensive.

[03152016]

this is like arguing with a toaster

[JenDarby]

this is like arguing with a toaster

Why are you arguing. This thread matters not at all and there is no argument.

Relax dude.

[03152016]

combo-breaker on the ninja edits

also, if you really don't care, then leave

i'll continue posting actual stats and explanations about fordham that will be helpful to 0Ls, and since you definitely don't care and are totally not defensive, you won't respond

[JenDarby]

combo-breaker on the ninja edits

also, if you really don't care, then leave

i'll continue posting actual stats and explanations about fordham that will be helpful to 0Ls, and since you definitely don't care and are totally not defensive, you won't respond

Please do. I never have and I don't currently encourage people to go to Fordham.

Are you gainfully employed? Why do you crusade so selflessly for the naive helpless 0Ls?

[03152016]

you're trying to get the thread locked for being off-topic
i'm not going to be a part of that, so this is the final thing i'll say on the matter:

lots of people shill for their school
i generally don't have a problem with that
i have a big problem with the kind of shilling going on here, though

when you propagate this garbage about how all your friends were employed and are doing fabulously
you're reaching thousands of people who are making decisions about attending law school
and who may consider going into $300k debt to attend a school like fordham (with 63.4% employment)

and then you post that ridiculous chart
filled with lucrative employment and salary numbers with zero context
it's a chart almost certain to deceive 0Ls if not explained, like i did

and then when confronted with statistics that contradict your anecdote
and accurate explanations of the data that contextualize your chart
you refuse to address it
and try to deflect attention away from the issue and onto the one raising it
oh why do you care so much, and where do you work, and what school do you attend, why don't you just relax

people wonder how the law school scam gets perpetuated
it's easy to blame the deans, and it's easy to blame the students (though in a recent thread over in choosing i argued why i think people shouldn't be so quick to hop on that bandwagon)
what's not so easy, though, is finding fault in those people who have little to no skin in the game
relatives, pre-law advisors, and yes, alumni
sometimes, these people are strong (in some cases, the strongest) influences on a prospective student

you may not think so,
but threads like this matter a lot
when you post anecdotes about how everyone you knew was employed at graduation and how they're all working in good jobs
when you post charts that absolutely require context to be interpreted correctly, and fail to provide that context
it has consequences

and if even one student factors these misrepresentations into their decision-making, that's an awful thing
as a community, we should aim to prevent that

that's why i post

[JenDarby]

you're trying to get the thread locked for being off-topic
i'm not going to be a part of that, so this is the final thing i'll say on the matter:

lots of people shill for their school
i generally don't have a problem with that
i have a big problem with the kind of shilling going on here, though

when you propagate this garbage about how all your friends were employed and are doing fabulously
you're reaching thousands of people who are making decisions about attending law school
and who may consider going into $300k debt to attend a school like fordham (with 63.4% employment)

and then you post that ridiculous chart
filled with lucrative employment and salary numbers with zero context
it's a chart almost certain to deceive 0Ls if not explained, like i did

and then when confronted with statistics that contradict your anecdote
and accurate explanations of the data that contextualize your chart
you refuse to address it
and try to deflect attention away from the issue and onto the one raising it
oh why do you care so much, and where do you work, and what school do you attend, why don't you just relax

people wonder how the law school scam gets perpetuated
it's easy to blame the deans, and it's easy to blame the students (though in a recent thread over in choosing i argued why i think people shouldn't be so quick to hop on that bandwagon)
what's not so easy, though, is finding fault in those people who have little to no skin in the game
relatives, pre-law advisors, and yes, alumni
sometimes, these people are strong (in some cases, the strongest) influences on a prospective student

you may not think so,
but threads like this matter a lot
when you post anecdotes about how everyone you knew was employed at graduation and how they're all working in good jobs
when you post charts that absolutely require context to be interpreted correctly, and fail to provide that context
that does have consequences

and if even one student factors these misrepresentations into their decision-making, that's an awful thing

that's why i post

Continue fighting the good fight max#s.

I hope NYU works out for you.

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[deebanger]

holy shit, jen darby just got owned lol. i bet she didnt know brut was going to nyu.

[JenDarby]

holy shit, jen darby just got owned lol. i bet she didnt know brut was going to nyu.

I am not a strong proponent of Fordham and never have been. I got a good deal and it worked out with my personal life. I graduated with an amazing job and have no regrets.

I don't vigorously defend Fordham and told OP not to go.

As I said, I hope everything works out for him at NYU.

[Caesar Salad]

I am not a strong proponent of Fordham and never have been. I got a good deal and it worked out with my personal life. I graduated with an amazing job and have no regrets.

I don't vigorously defend Fordham and told OP not to go.

As I said, I hope everything works out for him at NYU.

NAGL