Cornell 1L taking questions Forum

[stuckinthemiddle]

So can anyone speak to the prudence of taking biz orgs, evidence, and trial ad in one shot (as a 2L)?

[Arbiter213]

So can anyone speak to the prudence of taking biz orgs, evidence, and trial ad in one shot (as a 2L)?

I would take evidence prior to trial ad.

[stuckinthemiddle]

How crucial do you think evidence is to trial ad?

It's only offered in the fall and I may want to do a full term externship in nyc come 3L year. :/

[stuckinthemiddle]

Also, anyone with insights on:

Law and Mental Health - Beresford
Evidence - Colb (as opposed to the lecturer in the Spring)
Public International Law - Ndulo
Oral Skills - Atlas

?

[Lincoln]

So can anyone speak to the prudence of taking biz orgs, evidence, and trial ad in one shot (as a 2L)?

I would take evidence prior to trial ad.

So this is more of a general observation, but I'm a litigator at a big firm and about 40% of all the actual law stuff I do has to do with privileges. If I had to do law school over again I'd take evidence (and take it seriously) and every other litigation-related class that dealt with privilege.

[FlanAl]

I'd take them concurrently. You might be a little behind in your evidence knowledge in the beginning but you'll learn the rules way better by getting to use them each week in trial ad. Evidence is pretty tough to learn in a vacuum its way easier if you can apply it on a regular basis.

[sheldoncooper622]

Can anyone comment on the following classes and/or professors in terms of how interesting/useful/difficult/enjoyable they are?

Financial institutions – omarova
Tax – green
Antitrust- hay
Trusts & estates – Sherwin
Bizorgs – hockett v whitehead
White collar crime – Garvey
Land Use – Underkuffler
Private Equity Playbook – Blassberg
Admin – Farina
Deals Seminars
Securities Clinic – Jacobson
Law & mental Health – Beresford
Water /Indian Law – Torres
Corporate Finance - Minella

Take: Private Equity Playbook – Blassberg (Take this class if you want to do corporate. Blassberg is a former rainmaker at Debevoise, so she has a lot of actual legal experience and is just a good person to know in general.)

Don't Take: Securities Clinic – Jacobson (anyone I've ever talked to who took it said it was a lot of work, at least one of the professors is crazy, and you don't learn anything); Water /Indian Law – Torres (the class is way more work than it should be and he's a harsh grader); Corporate Finance - Minella (you'll pretty much have to teach yourself corporate finance, which won't be fun)

Just a question regarding Private Equity Playbook, what is the course like? Lecture, socratic method, class participation etc.? Also, how are you evaluated? Exams, presentations, papers etc.

[sheldoncooper622]

Sorry for another question. But is it true that for Green's tax class, you don't have to go to class? I've heard that you don't have to go to class at all and can still get a good grade.

Thanks

[sheldoncooper622]

bump just because pre-reg deadline is coming up

[BullShitWithBravado]

Can anyone comment on the following classes and/or professors in terms of how interesting/useful/difficult/enjoyable they are?

Financial institutions – omarova
Tax – green
Antitrust- hay
Trusts & estates – Sherwin
Bizorgs – hockett v whitehead
White collar crime – Garvey
Land Use – Underkuffler
Private Equity Playbook – Blassberg
Admin – Farina
Deals Seminars
Securities Clinic – Jacobson
Law & mental Health – Beresford
Water /Indian Law – Torres
Corporate Finance - Minella

Take: Private Equity Playbook – Blassberg (Take this class if you want to do corporate. Blassberg is a former rainmaker at Debevoise, so she has a lot of actual legal experience and is just a good person to know in general.)

Don't Take: Securities Clinic – Jacobson (anyone I've ever talked to who took it said it was a lot of work, at least one of the professors is crazy, and you don't learn anything); Water /Indian Law – Torres (the class is way more work than it should be and he's a harsh grader); Corporate Finance - Minella (you'll pretty much have to teach yourself corporate finance, which won't be fun)

Just a question regarding Private Equity Playbook, what is the course like? Lecture, socratic method, class participation etc.? Also, how are you evaluated? Exams, presentations, papers etc.

I didn't take the class myself, but knew a bunch of people who did. It was mandatory pass/fail and, as far as I understand, the assignments consisted of reading and marking up real contracts.

[shuttlesworth]

Sorry for another question. But is it true that for Green's tax class, you don't have to go to class? I've heard that you don't have to go to class at all and can still get a good grade.

Thanks

It is more possible than in other classes, because Green is very consistent year-to-year and most of the information you will learn in class is available on outlines from previous years. That said, going to class is probably the single most important thing you can do to get a good grade in any class.

[Lacepiece23]

Sorry for another question. But is it true that for Green's tax class, you don't have to go to class? I've heard that you don't have to go to class at all and can still get a good grade.

Thanks

If you want a class where you really dont have to go for a good grade take colb. Just make sure you volunteer when you are there.

[sheldoncooper622]

Thanks guys!

Is the Business Concepts for Lawyers an easy class to get a good grade?

[sheldoncooper622]

Bump. Also, is Law Governing Lawyers a relatively easy class?

[Lacepiece23]

Thanks guys!

Is the Business Concepts for Lawyers an easy class to get a good grade?

I heard its not really. A lot of the MBA bros and people who have already taken bus orgs take it. Its for us litigation folks, but we never end up being in the class.

[toothbrush]

Bump. Also, is Law Governing Lawyers a relatively easy class?

Are you a median-bro looking to improve or a top-1/3 looking to grade protect? Either way, I feel like your class-picking strategy is going to bite you in the ass.

fwiw i've heard most corp-heavy classes are rough just bc of the curve.

[Lacepiece23]

Bump. Also, is Law Governing Lawyers a relatively easy class?

Are you a median-bro looking to improve or a top-1/3 looking to grade protect? Either way, I feel like your class-picking strategy is going to bite you in the ass.

fwiw i've heard most corp-heavy classes are rough just bc of the curve.

Why would it make a difference? There are smart people who take litigation classes as well.

[toothbrush]

Why would it make a difference? There are smart people who take litigation classes as well.

Just passing along an anecdote. I agree though. However, I feel like corp people are more likely to "climb over each others dead bodies" to get the top grade.

[Lacepiece23]

I guess maybe in Whitehead. I took bus orgs with another professor and noticed a way more forgiving curve than crim pro with blume. Studied less for bus orgs and did well. Got slaughtered in crim pro.

[Lavitz]

I guess maybe in Whitehead. I took bus orgs with another professor and noticed a way more forgiving curve than crim pro with blume. Studied less for bus orgs and did well. Got slaughtered in crim pro.

Ugh. Taking both Whitehead and CrimPro.

Edit: wonderful 2500th post.

[highopes337]

Hey Guys,
Anybody have anything to say about First Amendment Law with Tebbe?

[toothbrush]

Hey Guys,
Anybody have anything to say about First Amendment Law with Tebbe?

When Tebbe was last here he was well-received. Looks like he is being "tried out" again or something. But I have spoken with now 3Ls who say Tebbe was great.

Traditionally, as you probably know, Shiffrin taught 1st amendment. It was a well-liked class for the topic and professor.

[highopes337]

You always deliver, Toothbrush. Thanks!

[toothbrush]

You always deliver, Toothbrush. Thanks!

we need to catch-up at some point.

[mt2165]

Random question: does one have any chance at successfully subletting their apartment during the summer? Or is that for all intents and purposes lost cash if you don't plan on staying in Ithaca during the summer?