UVA Law Students Taking Questions Forum

[paulinaporizkova]

about 19

[Morgan12Oak]

19 Mitchell is safely a B+, probably a 30-40% chance at an A-

[vamedic03]

New (through 2010) detailed employment stats: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm

[ihhwap1]

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[5ky]

New (through 2010) detailed employment stats: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm

Wow, I'm really glad they did that. Also surprising is that even pre-ITE, so many students from UVA went to non-DC/NY/CA/TX/VA markets.

[desertlaw]

70-85% either in firms or clerkships for c/o 2008-2010? That seems pretty impressive.

[005618502]

19 Mitchell is safely a B+, probably a 30-40% chance at an A-

Can you safely say this without knowing the content?

[jawsthegreat]

19 Mitchell is safely a B+, probably a 30-40% chance at an A-

Can you safely say this without knowing the content?

Unless you were strongly off on what you are writing, which normally isn't the case. I'd agree with this. Knowing his distribution and the way he grades once you get around 20 pages its almost impossible to be belowe B+.

[jawsthegreat]

New (through 2010) detailed employment stats: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm

Wow did they just put this up today? I just saw the ATL article about Chicago's new stats this morning.

Doesn't paint a terrible picture, tbh. Class of 2010 did better than I expected.

[FloridaCoastalorbust]

About 38% ended up in firms 500+. I'll take it

[paulinaporizkova]

19 Mitchell is safely a B+, probably a 30-40% chance at an A-

Can you safely say this without knowing the content?

so, you don't even go here yet and we're talking about one professor that 2 out of 12 sections have

chill out dude

[bertstare]

19 Mitchell is safely a B+, probably a 30-40% chance at an A-

Can you safely say this without knowing the content?

so, you don't even go here yet and we're talking about one professor that 2 out of 12 sections have

chill out dude

[sundance95]

^ Hahaha...he's baaaaaaaaack

[BruceWayne]

Going back to the Chicago thing, from what I've seen if someone has good grades and Chicago ties UVA doesn't seem to have a problem sending people there at all. In fact, if you don't have ties but have good grades I still think you have a good shot at places like Kirkland and Sidley. Chicago seems to be one of those "barely a secondary market" markets (I'd put LA and maybe even Atlanta in that category as well if you are talking about the largest Atlanta firms). What I mean by barely secondary is that the larger firms there seem to be more concerned with you having great grades than super strong ties, and that they understand why someone who isn't from the area would want to move there. If you have a 3.6 you probably have a shot at Kirkland even without Chicago ties if you can sell yourself well.

[BruceWayne]

New (through 2010) detailed employment stats: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm

Wow, I'm really glad they did that. Also surprising is that even pre-ITE, so many students from UVA went to non-DC/NY/CA/TX/VA markets.

I've been telling people for ages that that's our strength. We do fine in the major markets, but we really shine in the South, we're the closest thing to HYS there.

about 19

Wow congrats on a great first semester of law school.

[paulinaporizkova]

sarcasm?

[Morgan12Oak]

Probably not sarcasm. Page length is more telling of grades than anything I've encountered. I had a couple professors 1L year who basically tried saying the opposite, but from personal knowledge and experience, theres definitely a huge link.

[paulinaporizkova]

good to hear, but I still fully expect to get sodomized Lawrence v. Texas style in Bonnie's crim final on Monday, so we're not out of the woods yet. fml

[billyez]

I would have liked it if they had a mean representation for the salaries as well like Chicago does - and I wish we could know the response rate for public service folks in '08 and '09. But honestly, those are minor points. They even put up the number of folks in the fellowship program. Kudos to the law school for doing this.

[thesealocust]

Probably not sarcasm. Page length is more telling of grades than anything I've encountered. I had a couple professors 1L year who basically tried saying the opposite, but from personal knowledge and experience, theres definitely a huge link.

I think this gets really overhyped in the TLS echo chamber. I actually dug up a (small scale) study that a professor did once of his own students, and his results were that short answers were weakly correlated with poorer performance, but that after a certain (moderate, at or under the average length for the entire class) length there wasn't any correlation between exam length and grade. I know tons of people who have done great writing concise, short exams and tons of people who have had epicly long exams get Bs/B+s.

[Gecko of Doom]

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[5ky]

Probably not sarcasm. Page length is more telling of grades than anything I've encountered. I had a couple professors 1L year who basically tried saying the opposite, but from personal knowledge and experience, theres definitely a huge link.

I think this gets really overhyped in the TLS echo chamber. I actually dug up a (small scale) study that a professor did once of his own students, and his results were that short answers were weakly correlated with poorer performance, but that after a certain (moderate, at or under the average length for the entire class) length there wasn't any correlation between exam length and grade. I know tons of people who have done great writing concise, short exams and tons of people who have had epicly long exams get Bs/B+s.

I really hope this is true. My Torts exam was ~3,000 words...

You should absolutely come back and shove it in my face if you get an A/A-, but I think that ~9 pages for what I'm guessing is a 3.5 hour Torts exam is probably too short.

This is on the assumption that your professor did not come out and tell you that a proper exam would be under 10 pages. Mahoney does that for Contracts, and indeed a 7-8 page exam can get an A. But I think that's a special circumstance.

[johansantana21]

Probably not sarcasm. Page length is more telling of grades than anything I've encountered. I had a couple professors 1L year who basically tried saying the opposite, but from personal knowledge and experience, theres definitely a huge link.

I think this gets really overhyped in the TLS echo chamber. I actually dug up a (small scale) study that a professor did once of his own students, and his results were that short answers were weakly correlated with poorer performance, but that after a certain (moderate, at or under the average length for the entire class) length there wasn't any correlation between exam length and grade. I know tons of people who have done great writing concise, short exams and tons of people who have had epicly long exams get Bs/B+s.

I really hope this is true. My Torts exam was ~3,000 words...

You should absolutely come back and shove it in my face if you get an A/A-, but I think that ~9 pages for what I'm guessing is a 3.5 hour Torts exam is probably too short.

This is on the assumption that your professor did not come out and tell you that a proper exam would be under 10 pages. Mahoney does that for Contracts, and indeed a 7-8 page exam can get an A. But I think that's a special circumstance.

How many words = a page on exam4?

[5ky]

Roughly 325-350 or so, with 1 inch margins. I opened up my Torts exam from last year, did a word count of the first 9 pages, and it was about 3k.

[Gecko of Doom]

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