NYU 2Ls taking questions Forum

[JamMasterJ]

When you take a 2L course during 1L, are you put in separate sections or are the 1L and 2Ls combined?

Edit: it seems like they are separate courses

1Ls only

[Kellanj]

Can you speak at all to the degree of success or failure that people looking for LRAP qualified employment are having? If it's going well, do people usually find jobs before they graduate, like with biglaw?

[indigomachine]

Can you speak at all to the degree of success or failure that people looking for LRAP qualified employment are having? If it's going well, do people usually find jobs before they graduate, like with biglaw?

PI recruiting is on a different schedule from private sector. PI LRAP eligible long-term employment tends to be secured during 3L (so they're better positioned to give an opinion on that). That said, the PI-focused 2Ls I know haven't seemed to have much trouble securing employment, or alternatively, if they're not yet employed, they certainly aren't worried about it.

Biglaw / private sector recruiting is a different story if only insomuch as outcomes are more set by the time people make it past first semester of 2L--the situation could be the same for PI/LRAP eligible positions, but that won't be obvious till next year. On that note, private sector results have been mixed this year (at least speaking anecdotally). Most people I know got firm jobs in major markets if that's what they wanted--that said, there is a non-insignificant number of people who had median grades, give or take, who have struck out or are having trouble landing something. On the flip side, I also know a few below median people who landed biglaw. The picture seems predominately, but not universally good.

[indigomachine]

Does anyone know where to get those law stickers for your id? I lost my id and had to get a new one, so I am now stickerless.

4th floor Furman.

[bld2414]

Anyone have an outline for Snider's PR class?

[gmail]

Can you speak at all to the degree of success or failure that people looking for LRAP qualified employment are having? If it's going well, do people usually find jobs before they graduate, like with biglaw?

Anyone who wants PI gets it. Offers may not come around til your last semester but they will definitely come. If you somehow still fuck it up after three years of living within a 30 min commute of several hundred legally-related, intern-hiring NGOs and gov agencies, there's something seriously wrong with your career strategy.

[dixiecupdrinking]

Can you speak at all to the degree of success or failure that people looking for LRAP qualified employment are having? If it's going well, do people usually find jobs before they graduate, like with biglaw?

Anyone who wants PI gets it. Offers may not come around til your last semester but they will definitely come. If you somehow still fuck it up after three years of living within a 30 min commute of several hundred legally-related, intern-hiring NGOs and gov agencies, there's something seriously wrong with your career strategy.

While most people from NYU seem to have success finding PI work, this response severely understates the difficulty. It's a very competitive market. The "several hundred" offices in NYC notwithstanding, it helps a lot to be geographically flexible.

[gmail]

Can you speak at all to the degree of success or failure that people looking for LRAP qualified employment are having? If it's going well, do people usually find jobs before they graduate, like with biglaw?

Anyone who wants PI gets it. Offers may not come around til your last semester but they will definitely come. If you somehow still fuck it up after three years of living within a 30 min commute of several hundred legally-related, intern-hiring NGOs and gov agencies, there's something seriously wrong with your career strategy.

While most people from NYU seem to have success finding PI work, this response severely understates the difficulty. It's a very competitive market. The "several hundred" offices in NYC notwithstanding, it helps a lot to be geographically flexible.

It's not difficult, it's just a matter of reasonable goals and effort. And hell, if all goes wrong there's always PILC welfare. PI students at NYU have it so good-- you have to be offensively stupid to fuck it up.

[Power_of_Facing]

What's the age breakdown of the on-campus housing residents? Is the NYU student housing geared primarily toward the 23/24-year-old crowd, or do single people in the 25-30 age bracket make use of it too?

[Anciano]

What's the age breakdown of the on-campus housing residents? Is the NYU student housing geared primarily toward the 23/24-year-old crowd, or do single people in the 25-30 age bracket make use of it too?

I know a lot of older students who live in on-campus housing.

[Power_of_Facing]

What's the age breakdown of the on-campus housing residents? Is the NYU student housing geared primarily toward the 23/24-year-old crowd, or do single people in the 25-30 age bracket make use of it too?

I know a lot of older students who live in on-campus housing.

Are they shunned as lepers?

[Anciano]

What's the age breakdown of the on-campus housing residents? Is the NYU student housing geared primarily toward the 23/24-year-old crowd, or do single people in the 25-30 age bracket make use of it too?

I know a lot of older students who live in on-campus housing.

Are they shunned as lepers?

Yes.

Seriously, we're all adults here. Living in student housing is much more like living in an apartment building (with utilities included, doorman, etc.) than in a dorm.

[gmail]

Mercer is better for 24+, D'ag for those 23 and younger.

[dj_roomba]

Did anybody here have epstein?

Can someone explain how to approach his exam?

Is it better to:
a. Spot as many issues as possible but write shitty(shittier) analysis- more of a "general approach"
b. Spot less issues but write great analysis - more about black letter and the intricacies
c. Something else (enter into a trance, vomit all over the page everything we know about contracts, throw a few facts here and there, and hope for the best?)

I'm stuck between A and B (damn time crunch) and I'm trying to decide which method is better. But I've heard C works well too...

[sinfiery]

Did anybody here have epstein?

Can someone explain how to approach his exam?

Is it better to:
a. Spot as many issues as possible but write shitty(shittier) analysis- more of a "general approach"
b. Spot less issues but write great analysis - more about black letter and the intricacies
c. Something else (enter into a trance, vomit all over the page everything we know about contracts, throw a few facts here and there, and hope for the best?)

I'm stuck between A and B (damn time crunch) and I'm trying to decide which method is better. But I've heard C works well too...

hah, so you're in my section

if it makes you feel better, 5 PTs with model answers later, I have no fucking idea what I'm going to do tomorrow

[dj_roomba]

Did anybody here have epstein?

Can someone explain how to approach his exam?

Is it better to:
a. Spot as many issues as possible but write shitty(shittier) analysis- more of a "general approach"
b. Spot less issues but write great analysis - more about black letter and the intricacies
c. Something else (enter into a trance, vomit all over the page everything we know about contracts, throw a few facts here and there, and hope for the best?)

I'm stuck between A and B (damn time crunch) and I'm trying to decide which method is better. But I've heard C works well too...

hah, so you're in my section

if it makes you feel better, 5 PTs with model answers later, I have no fucking idea what I'm going to do tomorrow

Actually that does make me feel better. I thought i was the only one
I've studied more for this class than any other class but this is by far the most uncertain/wtfamidoing exam
His memos make far-reaching conclusions from the smallest facts but his tests also have errors so it's difficult to discern what was a deliberate error or not.

3/10 would not take again

[lawschool22]

How do 0L's normally go about finding roommates for off campus housing? The Facebook group? Admitted Students Day? Just curious if anyone has thoughts on this. Thanks!

[Anciano]

How do 0L's normally go about finding roommates for off campus housing? The Facebook group? Admitted Students Day? Just curious if anyone has thoughts on this. Thanks!

I know very few people who lived off campus with other law students their first year, and most of them knew each other in advance. As far as I know, almost all the off-campus 1Ls either lived in New York already, knew someone who needed a roommate, or found a place on their own. There is a law school listserv where people often post housing ads, and you can join that as soon as you get your NYU email in the late spring. A lot of others use Craigslist.

[Detrox]

Did anybody here have epstein?

Can someone explain how to approach his exam?

Is it better to:
a. Spot as many issues as possible but write shitty(shittier) analysis- more of a "general approach"
b. Spot less issues but write great analysis - more about black letter and the intricacies
c. Something else (enter into a trance, vomit all over the page everything we know about contracts, throw a few facts here and there, and hope for the best?)

I'm stuck between A and B (damn time crunch) and I'm trying to decide which method is better. But I've heard C works well too...

hah, so you're in my section

if it makes you feel better, 5 PTs with model answers later, I have no fucking idea what I'm going to do tomorrow

Actually that does make me feel better. I thought i was the only one
I've studied more for this class than any other class but this is by far the most uncertain/wtfamidoing exam
His memos make far-reaching conclusions from the smallest facts but his tests also have errors so it's difficult to discern what was a deliberate error or not.

3/10 would not take again

You guys are going to face this issue with all legal exams (the better to get more issues or more analysis) and professors will always say the answer is both. Epstein is definitely unique since you learn very little black letter law during the year, but that is what his exam tests. Just try to identify as many issues as you can and give as full legal analysis for each major issue as you can. Know the U.C.C. and the major case law. Good luck and know that while the experience is rough going through it, you'll look back having really enjoyed the unique experience of taking one of his classes. It will make the rest of law school exams better by comparison.

[staples88]

who are the best criminal law professors at the school?

also, you guys know the outline banks found online? how do you figure out which one to use? I've seen some 9pg outlines (I'm thinking incomplete) and 95pgs (lol). is it generally the longer the more comprehensive and hence the better?

I looked through the crimlaw and crimPro outlines and can't figure out which one to read.

also, do you guys know of outline banks of other schools that might be better?

are crim law and crim procedure the only crim courses that have outlines? what about clinics or literally any other course haha?

thanks

[lawschool22]

What is the success of people targeting DC big-law at OCI? How is the representation?

[Detrox]

who are the best criminal law professors at the school?

also, you guys know the outline banks found online? how do you figure out which one to use? I've seen some 9pg outlines (I'm thinking incomplete) and 95pgs (lol). is it generally the longer the more comprehensive and hence the better?

I looked through the crimlaw and crimPro outlines and can't figure out which one to read.

also, do you guys know of outline banks of other schools that might be better?

are crim law and crim procedure the only crim courses that have outlines? what about clinics or literally any other course haha?

thanks

R. Barkow is great, Schulhofer gets mixed reviews as does Schaffer. Clinics don't have traditional finals so you don't really outline for them.

Outlining is about personal preference. I can't see 9 page outlines being very helpful, since you could just memorize the entire 9 pages. 95 Page outlines have a similar issue but I have a few friends who used them and did very well. I don't always use outlines, but when I do I prefer outlines of a more managable size, 20-50 pages. You have to find your own preference though.

What is the success of people targeting DC big-law at OCI? How is the representation?

Mixed. DC is definitely tough and alot of people want it. Either get top of the line grades, or have solid connections and a legitimate reason for wanting to be in D.C. (not just that you want to do "appellate litigation" or political case work etc.). OCS will have better statistics on placement and success than you'll get on the forum.

[lawschool22]

What is the success of people targeting DC big-law at OCI? How is the representation?

Mixed. DC is definitely tough and alot of people want it. Either get top of the line grades, or have solid connections and a legitimate reason for wanting to be in D.C. (not just that you want to do "appellate litigation" or political case work etc.). OCS will have better statistics on placement and success than you'll get on the forum.

Thanks I appreciate the response. I'm currently trying to decide if I should go Duke or NYU if targeting DC, so this was helpful. Is OCS receptive to accepted students asking for this sort of information?

[dixiecupdrinking]

What is the success of people targeting DC big-law at OCI? How is the representation?

Mixed. DC is definitely tough and alot of people want it. Either get top of the line grades, or have solid connections and a legitimate reason for wanting to be in D.C. (not just that you want to do "appellate litigation" or political case work etc.). OCS will have better statistics on placement and success than you'll get on the forum.

Thanks I appreciate the response. I'm currently trying to decide if I should go Duke or NYU if targeting DC, so this was helpful. Is OCS receptive to accepted students asking for this sort of information?

Doubtful. They tend to be protective of releasing this kind of info outside the school. It can't hurt to ask but don't draw a negative inference if they say no.

[lawschool22]

What is the success of people targeting DC big-law at OCI? How is the representation?

Mixed. DC is definitely tough and alot of people want it. Either get top of the line grades, or have solid connections and a legitimate reason for wanting to be in D.C. (not just that you want to do "appellate litigation" or political case work etc.). OCS will have better statistics on placement and success than you'll get on the forum.

Thanks I appreciate the response. I'm currently trying to decide if I should go Duke or NYU if targeting DC, so this was helpful. Is OCS receptive to accepted students asking for this sort of information?

Doubtful. They tend to be protective of releasing this kind of info outside the school. It can't hurt to ask but don't draw a negative inference if they say no.

Yeah I figured as much. That's understandable. It's so tough distinguishing how well a school places in a certain market like DC. I mean sure, Duke sends a sizeable amount of grads to DC, but that could be self-selection bias, and my chances coming out of NYU might be higher. It's really hard to parse it out.