Cornell 1L taking questions Forum

[MischiefMayhemSoap]

If you're dedicated and your schedule permits you could score 3-4 free meals in a week. It depends a lot on the time of year though. Toward the end all the groups want to spend off their funds so the food is plentiful.

While you're studying for finals, though.

[msblaw89]

Hockett v Whitehead for biz orgs? Curve? Better teacher? More enjoyable? Etc

uchhhh havnt even began to start thinking about which classes to take... stupid bidding process is taking me forever

C'mon .... We have to have this submitted in. 2 days

[HBBJohnStamos]

Hockett v Whitehead for biz orgs? Curve? Better teacher? More enjoyable? Etc

uchhhh havnt even began to start thinking about which classes to take... stupid bidding process is taking me forever

C'mon .... We have to have this submitted in. 2 days

Pre-registration is not first come, first served. You will have until July 23, 2012, 4 PM, to submit your pre-registration course selection.

[Lavitz]

If you're dedicated and your schedule permits you could score 3-4 free meals in a week. It depends a lot on the time of year though. Toward the end all the groups want to spend off their funds so the food is plentiful.

While you're studying for finals, though.

I'll make time.

Thanks.

[Arbiter213]

Hockett v Whitehead for biz orgs? Curve? Better teacher? More enjoyable? Etc

uchhhh havnt even began to start thinking about which classes to take... stupid bidding process is taking me forever

C'mon .... We have to have this submitted in. 2 days

Pre-registration is not first come, first served. You will have until July 23, 2012, 4 PM, to submit your pre-registration course selection.

Reading comprehension skills are a valuable asset in the law.

[msblaw89]

Hockett v Whitehead for biz orgs? Curve? Better teacher? More enjoyable? Etc

uchhhh havnt even began to start thinking about which classes to take... stupid bidding process is taking me forever

C'mon .... We have to have this submitted in. 2 days

Pre-registration is not first come, first served. You will have until July 23, 2012, 4 PM, to submit your pre-registration course selection.

Wow.... Screwed that one up thought it was June

[MischiefMayhemSoap]

So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon

[Lincoln]

So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon

There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.

[northerrn]

This is speculative, but from CLSevals it seems like Whitehead is probably the better teacher, but is also very difficult. He also teaches Sec Reg in the Spring so you might be at a disadvantage if you didn't take his Biz Orgs class.

[Arbiter213]

So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon

There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.

No Stout available next year.

[msblaw89]

So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon

There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.

Do you say this because he's just not good at teaching it? Or his curve is awful?

[Lincoln]

So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon

There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.

Do you say this because he's just not good at teaching it? Or his curve is awful?

I didn't have him, but many of my friends have and I've interacted with him quite a bit. He's brilliant and passionate about what he does, but a bit disorganized. Also, corporations law isn't really what his research interest is. Same is true for Whitehead, I guess (he's more securities–oriented), but I've only heard good things about Whitehead.

Don't get me wrong: Hockett is amazing. He's probably the smartest guy I've ever met. His current schtick is using eminent domain to seize underwater mortgages. It's getting some buzz in the ether, and several towns in CA are currently attempting to use his plan. He does tons of work at the NY Fed (where he's currently a fellow), the IMF, etc., but is also involved with Occupy Wall Street. Fascinating guy who does really interesting work. I just don't think he's the best biz orgs prof.

[Lincoln]

So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon

There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.

No Stout available next year.

Too bad. I like Stout.

[Arbiter213]

So...Hockett or Whithead?

Hockett: 3 credits, 3 days/wk. but in the morning.
Whitehead: 4 credits, 4 days/wk. afternoon

There are two biz orgs classes in the fall? Also, I thought Whitehead didn't teach biz orgs anymore. Wasn't that why they hired Fletcher?

Either way, I'd probably take it with Stout, if she's teaching it next year. Otherwise Whitehead. Hockett is a baw$$, but probably better for a financial regulation seminar and stuff like that. More his deal.

No Stout available next year.

Too bad. I like Stout.

Ditto.

[LFH_intheflesh]

So there's this Business Concepts for Lawyers class that is one unit and takes place over one weekend.

On one hand, it sounds like I need it because I have no bus/econ background at all (english major). On the other hand, the setup sounds like traffic schools (4 hours on a Friday Saturday and Sunday).

Anybody take this? Is it worth doing?

ETA: lolartlaw

[Lincoln]

So there's this Business Concepts for Lawyers class that is one unit and takes place over one weekend.

On one hand, it sounds like I need it because I have no bus/econ background at all (english major). On the other hand, the setup sounds like traffic schools (4 hours on a Friday Saturday and Sunday).

Anybody take this? Is it worth doing?

ETA: lolartlaw

I didn't take this, but it sounds useless. Just take biz orgs, and if there are terms you don't understand, look them up on investopedia.

[CocoNutties]

1. In a class that allows S/U grading, do those grades get separated out from the curve, or are they included but modified after grading?
2. If the answer to above is separation, which classes do most people take as S/U?

[Arbiter213]

1. In a class that allows S/U grading, do those grades get separated out from the curve, or are they included but modified after grading?
2. If the answer to above is separation, which classes do most people take as S/U?

They are, unfortunately, not included in the curve.

[Lincoln]

1. In a class that allows S/U grading, do those grades get separated out from the curve, or are they included but modified after grading?
2. If the answer to above is separation, which classes do most people take as S/U?

Federal Courts and Securities Regulation tend to be popular choices. I don't necessarily agree with those choices, unless you're trying to protect a really high GPA.

[msblaw89]

Should I even bid on Weil anymore?

[LFH_intheflesh]

Saying what we were all thinking. Their incoming SA will likely be smaller now too.

Counter-consideration: Having already downsized, they probably won't do it again for a while. This may make them a better choice than firms who have yet to shrink down to a size sustainable by the "new normal," and may be due for a lay-off in the future.

[msblaw89]

Saying what we were all thinking. Their incoming SA will likely be smaller now too.

Counter-consideration: Having already downsized, they probably won't do it again for a while. This may make them a better choice than firms who have yet to shrink down to a size sustainable by the "new normal," and may be due for a lay-off in the future.

The other problem is ... What firms are due for a downsize/ lower pay?

[HBBJohnStamos]

Saying what we were all thinking. Their incoming SA will likely be smaller now too.

Counter-consideration: Having already downsized, they probably won't do it again for a while. This may make them a better choice than firms who have yet to shrink down to a size sustainable by the "new normal," and may be due for a lay-off in the future.

The other problem is ... What firms are due for a downsize/ lower pay?

That's obviously a judgment call on your part unless you have their book of business. New York offices won't lower their entry level pay though. Not going to attract top talent at 145 unless you're in a secondary market; ergo, better to lay off 7% of associates instead and let the lemmings keep running to you.

[LFH_intheflesh]

I try not to be a lemming but their reception at the Johnson Art Museum was really nice.

[msblaw89]

Saying what we were all thinking. Their incoming SA will likely be smaller now too.

Counter-consideration: Having already downsized, they probably won't do it again for a while. This may make them a better choice than firms who have yet to shrink down to a size sustainable by the "new normal," and may be due for a lay-off in the future.

The other problem is ... What firms are due for a downsize/ lower pay?

That's obviously a judgment call on your part unless you have their book of business. New York offices won't lower their entry level pay though. Not going to attract top talent at 145 unless you're in a secondary market; ergo, better to lay off 7% of associates instead and let the lemmings keep running to you.

Right, it's tough to judge. I just want to avoid doing a SA with a firm that ends up being like Dewey and get totally blindsided