Bored GULC 3L Taking Questions Forum

[chuckbass]

Apparently preferences aren't even due until the 13th? Like I had that done hours after I submitted.

I can only understand it for people who had paper extensions, and won't get their grades until like... now. But how many 1Ls does that actually cover? Enough to push everyone back two weeks?

Maybe they do this since they give transfers a later deadline and they want to grade them all at the same time?

That's a good theory. I still think it tends to screw over some people for some positions (note I might just be bitter here).

Oh it totally screws people over. But yeah I think transfer write on is due by next week sometime, so it could be the reason.

[BmoreOrLess]

Don't they just hold open a certain number of spots for transfers?

I really hope I can land a job before EIW so I can just turn journal down.

[EzraFitz]

Don't they just hold open a certain number of spots for transfers?

I really hope I can land a job before EIW so I can just turn journal down.

I want a job before EIW so I can say "screw EIW" haha.

[chuckbass]

Don't they just hold open a certain number of spots for transfers?

I really hope I can land a job before EIW so I can just turn journal down.

I'm not sure, I didn't look at any of the journal info.

[TLSModBot]

I know people at top firms who checked with their firm to see if they'd care if they just quit journal after getting an EIW offer. They always said no, and the people just quit their journal without having to do anything. What was the journal gonna do?

[BmoreOrLess]

Hmm, they told us they would definitely contact our employer if we quit, but I guess if you get permission from the firm what does it matter?

[TLSModBot]

Hmm, they told us they would definitely contact our employer if we quit, but I guess if you get permission from the firm what does it matter?

A. It doesn't if you get permission

B. It's largely an empty threat. But get the OK from the firm just to be safe.

This is the dirty secret of journal and moot court: they're actually powerless to compel anything.

[JustHawkin]

I want a job before EIW so I can say "screw EIW" haha.

So much this. So much.

[EzraFitz]

Hmm, they told us they would definitely contact our employer if we quit, but I guess if you get permission from the firm what does it matter?

A. It doesn't if you get permission

B. It's largely an empty threat. But get the OK from the firm just to be safe.

This is the dirty secret of journal and moot court: they're actually powerless to compel anything.

I assume this would have a much larger affect on judges haha.

[chuckbass]

I want a job before EIW so I can say "screw EIW" haha.

So much this. So much.

Wouldn't trade it for cancer, but it's pretty chill. You guys are gonna slay it though. You're doing what you need to do to get a job while a lot of people aren't hustling and are crazy.

[JustHawkin]

Wouldn't trade it for cancer, but it's pretty chill. You guys are gonna slay it though. You're doing what you need to do to get a job while a lot of people aren't hustling and are crazy.

Way to put it in perspective for us! At the end of the day you're the one that's going to slay!

[EzraFitz]

I finally feel like I have enough experience to give some advice to incoming 1Ls... it's weird... btw, when do bid list results normally coming out?

[BmoreOrLess]

I finally feel like I have enough experience to give some advice to incoming 1Ls... it's weird... btw, when do bid list results normally coming out?

Came out on July 29th last year.

[EzraFitz]

I finally feel like I have enough experience to give some advice to incoming 1Ls... it's weird... btw, when do bid list results normally coming out?

Came out on July 29th last year.

Great. Piling onto the GULC trend of "here, wait a long time for everything ever."

[BmoreOrLess]

I finally feel like I have enough experience to give some advice to incoming 1Ls... it's weird... btw, when do bid list results normally coming out?

Came out on July 29th last year.

Great. Piling onto the GULC trend of "here, wait a long time for everything ever."

I'm convinced it's CSO shenanigans where they actively don't want to give time for people to mail/contact firms they didn't land bids on to maximize chances for people with lower grades, or something like that. I don't know, I'm trying to find ways to explain why GULC seemingly does everything possible to put its students at a disadvantage for hiring.

[EzraFitz]

I finally feel like I have enough experience to give some advice to incoming 1Ls... it's weird... btw, when do bid list results normally coming out?

Came out on July 29th last year.

Great. Piling onto the GULC trend of "here, wait a long time for everything ever."

I'm convinced it's CSO shenanigans where they actively don't want to give time for people to mail/contact firms they didn't land bids on to maximize chances for people with lower grades, or something like that. I don't know, I'm trying to find ways to explain why GULC seemingly does everything possible to put its students at a disadvantage for hiring.

Yeah, it would make more sense to me if they only did it for say, OCI. But they do it for literally EVERYTHING. Which would disadvantage everyone equally in comparison to their peers at similar schools, which is the opposite of what they want to do.

I honestly think our OCS just does not keep up with the times. They don't adjust to changes in legal hiring.

[TLSModBot]

Sadly, the more accurate answer is that GULC is not doing a great job with its treatment/hiring/retention of non-faculty. With a long running pay freeze (but faculty get raises of course), GULC is slowly losing its best support staff who can go elsewhere. And they don't hire replacements in the most critically needed areas, putting more stress on those remaining, who leave. etc. The people who are long term viable for GULC are content to half-ass their jobs for a decentish pay that remains the same, and the rest are just too overworked to perform.

All around very sad actually.

[BmoreOrLess]

Glad to hear they're putting our tuition dollars (and the bloated transfer class tuition dollars) to good use.

[EzraFitz]

Sadly, the more accurate answer is that GULC is not doing a great job with its treatment/hiring/retention of non-faculty. With a long running pay freeze (but faculty get raises of course), GULC is slowly losing its best support staff who can go elsewhere. And they don't hire replacements in the most critically needed areas, putting more stress on those remaining, who leave. etc. The people who are long term viable for GULC are content to half-ass their jobs for a decentish pay that remains the same, and the rest are just too overworked to perform.

All around very sad actually.

When will they learn that support staff literally make or break? Why else would everyone constantly remind everyone else to be super nice to support staff. They know everything.

Glad to hear they're putting our tuition dollars (and the bloated transfer class tuition dollars) to good use.

[ebb44]

Bahaha, I wan't going to feed the trolls, but your recant deserves a response

The honest answer is that I chose a firm that is known to hold onto people for the long run (they have more partners than associates) and emphasizes quality of life, even if it's less prestigious / pays a bit less. Ideally I would stay there and work my way up to partner, but I'm not naive enough to bank on or expect this (and may not even want it when I start). If it doesn't pan out, I'll try to go in house in the tech / media space (where I have experience), or transition back into the space in a non-legal capacity.

This is an quote from Sgtpeppernyc who hasn't been active in this thread a while but maybe someone else can answer. Are there many firms that emphasize quality of life? What's the pay difference like?

[TLSModBot]

Bahaha, I wan't going to feed the trolls, but your recant deserves a response

The honest answer is that I chose a firm that is known to hold onto people for the long run (they have more partners than associates) and emphasizes quality of life, even if it's less prestigious / pays a bit less. Ideally I would stay there and work my way up to partner, but I'm not naive enough to bank on or expect this (and may not even want it when I start). If it doesn't pan out, I'll try to go in house in the tech / media space (where I have experience), or transition back into the space in a non-legal capacity.

This is an quote from Sgtpeppernyc who hasn't been active in this thread a while but maybe someone else can answer. Are there many firms that emphasize quality of life? What's the pay difference like?

"Quality of Life" is an amorphous term. It is also something a firm can very rarely promise because your workload and supervisors do not depend on the firm, they depend on the partner. Some firms manage partner acquisition/development to try to get certain uniformity along some lines, but 'giving associates less work and being nicer to them' rarely appears to be high on the list.

There are certainly 'lifestyle firms,' such as O'Melveny. The same O'Melveny that is hemorrhaging partners to multiple firms. There are also known sweatshops: Quinn Emanuel, Arnold & Porter, Sull Crom all come to mind. Most firms fall somewhere in the middle, and you can get a great working group in an otherwise tough firm, and you can get a nightmarish partner in a firm with a great reputation.

Overall I would do as much research as you can, but ignore Vault/Chambers and other online places, and try to talk to alumni or friends who are at the firm to get a sense of the place.

[EzraFitz]

Overall I would do as much research as you can, but ignore Vault/Chambers and other online places, and try to talk to alumni or friends who are at the firm to get a sense of the place.

This especially. Every alum I've contacted has been delighted to share their experience, and if it's somewhere anonymous like PMing here, they're less likely to sugar coat it.

[EzraFitz]

Can happily say I'll be employed next summer. Still might do EIW though... What are the pros and cons (apart from the obvious not having to do EIW)?

[chuckbass]

Can happily say I'll be employed next summer. Still might do EIW though... What are the pros and cons (apart from the obvious not having to do EIW)?

YEEEEEEEEEEEEE <3

[BmoreOrLess]

Can happily say I'll be employed next summer. Still might do EIW though... What are the pros and cons (apart from the obvious not having to do EIW)?

Nice! And there probably aren't any big Pro's if you're at your clear #1 choice, but if you're interested to see what else is out there, there really aren't any cons.